Wravis

That's fair. Not everyone likes the holidays, or celebrates the same way, or at all. It does feel like communication could be better, both within the homecoming team and with players, but that's true for everyone and everything. And your posts make it clear it's being worked on. It's appreciated.

I honestly appreciated this approach, even if the communication wasn't executed well. It's understandable, because of the holiday. I think a more open feedback phase is better. Hopefully the changes aren't gone for good. I do think this does show a pretty big disconnect the homecoming team has with regards to telling the truth when making unpopular decisions. Sonic Melee was fast tracked and rushed out while still in an unpopular state, with the reasoning being that development was going to stop for the holidays, and the team wanted it released so people could test it on live. Development hasn't slowed down whatsoever. Testing has continued on test servers. Now you're saying this past open beta patch was meant to utilize the non-existent development break as a time for players to test things. But on the test server... In my opinion, you need to pick one. Release changes to live, so players can test, or put it on open beta, so players can test. One of those is a test server. I think it's pretty clear which on should be used for testing.

If you don't like it don't play it.

Can we get some kind of texture/pattern update on... like a lot of things in the costume creator? Seeing all of the reskins come out lately makes me think there's at least one person on the Dev team now that has the ability to edit costume pieces. Though, I'm not sure if it's just the ability to re-texture/re-skin, or if they can create all new models. The latter sounds like a much bigger ask, so I'm going to separate my suggestions that way. Also, while I know there's already threads requesting new costume pieces, and I will include some, this is primarily compiling a list of existing costume pieces I think deserve an update/fix. I've tried to break down the costume issues into the following categories: Tops With Skin Opacity Poor Pattern Alignment Rough Lines/Textures Disconnected Patterns/Shapes Easy Alternates The most egregious category, in my opinion, is Female Body > Tops With Skin, so I'll start with that. Fix Tops With Skin Opacity My suggestion isn't to replace what's currently implemented, but to add an alternate version with 100% opacity. That way people who've been utilizing the pieces for their costumes as they currently are won't have their characters altered. Just add it to the 2nd option that currently shows, but has No Selection Available. Using the tee option as an example. As it is right now, a large majority of the Tops with Skin pieces have a wet t-shirt/sheer fabric/semi see through coloration. This has its uses, but it's frustrating for many reasons. For one, you can't wear light colored t-shirts without it blending with the skin tone. That's awkward. Second, when trying to create certain seamless costumes, there will always be a jarring texture mismatch between the top and gloves, and bottoms, because gloves and bottoms are opaque, whereas most tops with skin are slightly transparent. Here's a list of the Tops With Skin pieces that have the wet t-shirt contest winning transparent opacity: Bikini Angelic Assassin Athletic Bandeau Bandeau Sleeve Baroque Belly Tee Long Belly Tee Short Blast Blocks Desire Disco Eden Excess Fade Line Fire Stripe Frost Hacker Heart Horns Jungle Jungle Sheer Keyhole Keyhole Sheer Mesh Mod Mod Sleeve Savage Sport Strapless Straps 1 Straps 2 Tanker Think Stripes Tee Thorns V V Deep V Neck Next Category Suggestion! Fix Poor Pattern Alignment Multiple costume patterns do not line up with their corresponding patterns on different body parts. I don't think this really needs to be explained as to why it's a bother that should be fixed. An example of this is Heart tops, and Heart bottoms. The mesh doesn't align between the top and bottom pieces. The mesh also doesn't align with Mesh Top and Heart Bottoms Here is a list of the pattern mismatches I could find. I may have missed some. There's a lot of patterns. Female Body Type Only: Metal (Tops With Skin), Metal (Bottoms With Skin) Witch Bare (Tops with Skin), Witch Bare (Bottoms With Skin) Witch Lace (Tops With Skin), Witch Lace (Bottoms with Skin), Witch Lace (Smooth/Bare Gloves) Carnival of Light (Tops With Skin), Carnival of Light 1 (Bottoms With Skin) Labeaux 1 (Tops with Skin, Labeaux (Bottoms With Skin) Labeaux 2 (Tops with Skin), Leabeaux (Bottoms with Skim All Body Types: Camo (Top), Camo (Bottom), Camo (Gloves), Camo (Boots) Cellular (Top), (Cellular (Bottom), Cellular (Gloves, Cellular (Boots) Checker (Top), Checker (Bottom) Cheetah 1 (Top), Cheetah 1 (Bottom), Cheetah 1 (Gloves), Cheetah 1 (Boots) Circles (Top), Circles (Bottom), Circles (Gloves), Circles (Boots) Circuitry (Top), Circuitry (Bottom) Electricity (Top), Electricity (Bottom) *This one is different in that the color of the pattern on the Top shifts the color of the base color, but the bottom does not Googie (Top), Googie (Bottom) Lines (Top), Lines (Bottom), Lines (Gloves), Lines (Boots) Mesh (Top), Mesh (Bottom), Mesh (Gloves), Mesh (Boots) Psyche (Top), Psyche (Bottom), Psyche (Gloves), Psyche (Boots) Scales (Top), Scales (Bottom), Scales (Gloves), Scales (Boots) Malaise (Top), Malaise (Bottom) Fix Rough Lines/Textures Some of the patterns look nice and clean and decently high res. Others look like compressed to death. Some others just look messy. For example: The bottom line of the Sport Tops With Skin option is jagged, for whatever reason. It looks terrible. Patterns that could use a clean up or high-res update are: Female Only: Mod (Top Only) Sport (Top Only) All Body Types: Arctic Camo Camo Paint (Top Only) Cellular Celtic Chains (Top Only) Cheetah 1 Circles Dagger Lightning Magic Pattern 1 (Top Only) Pattern 4 (Top Only) Pattern 5 (Top Only) Psych Shredding Sinister Sport (Top Only) Tiger 2 Y (Top Only) Fix Disconnected Pattern/Shapes Another issue with several patterns and pieces is an unfinished/disconnect pattern or shape within the same costume piece. It seems to be a particularly common issue on the sides and under the arms of top patterns. For example, It's especially silly and noticeable on the Thin Stripes chest pattern when used as a Tops with Skin. The stripes on the front don't align with the stripes on the back. The arm strips are detached from the body stripes, and there's a tiny sliver of a stripe at the end of the arm for no reason. The costume patterns/pieces I've found that have this same issue are: Female Only: Hacker Leather (Tops with Skin) Metal (Tops with Skin) Carnival of Light (Tops with Skin) Chest: Fade Line Horns Thin Stripes Camo Cellular Checker Cheetah 1 Cheetah 2 Claws Circles Fat Stripe 1 Googie Jaws Leopard Lines Mesh Pattern 4 Psych Scales Sinister Straps Thin Stripe 1 Tiger 1 Vandal Add Easy Alternates Back to the T-shirt. One thing that's been missing for whatever reason, is a t-shirt with a collar, on the female body type. The male body's t-shirt option has a collar, and t-shirt texture. Girls need that, too. These additions don't require modeling new bulky costume pieces. Just adding a pattern or texture to what already exists. Put some extra length on Briefs for men, and BAM, you have boxers, or (tight) shorts. Something that is desperately needed. Suggested Additions: Female Body: Tee with Collar Incandescent's Top Non-plunging neckline top with skin long sleeved shirts Male Body: Raglan Sleeved (baseball) T-shirt Crop Top Shorts Boxer-Briefs Boxers Stubble/5 o'clock shadow All Body Types: Long Sleeved T-shirt Patterned T-shirt (shirt with the chest patterns overlay) Different Style Sneakers Loafers Flip Flops Office Belt that looks like the owner took care of the leather and didn't fight a war wearing it,

They only tested Sonic Melee for a week on Closed Beta, and a week on Open Beta (before announcing it was feature locked.) Most other things were tested for much longer. Some things have been tested for months and still weren't ready in time. They pick and choose what they actually want input on.

Should probably put the new, locked costume pieces in the Costumes section so it's not confusing and seemingly hidden. Aren't there 19 new reskinned pieces added too?

Responding because you're putting words in my mouth. There's a wide gamut of options when acknowledging a poor decision was made, that don't include "make a public statement and commit to a specific set of rules to abide by in the future". I never suggested they make a public statement of apology.

Yeah. It's turned more into a debate about our differing philosophies regarding how to run community testing, development deadlines, and the benefits of speaking out against things you don't like. Which is probably giving poor GooglyMoogly a migraine. I'm going to stop for now. It's the same people telling me I'm wrong over and over. We're not going to agree. The thread was thoroughly derailed, and it was never on sturdy rails to begin with.

Did you miss all of the people who don't like having a single target toggle in melee set that requires you to take the first two attacks in the set to make full use of it? Aside from Glacier Peak, Shard Warrior, Ghost, Championess, and now you and Steampunkette repeatedly telling not to give my opinion and just accept their decisions, yeah. No one is telling me to shut up. Do you want me to make a new thread and remove "Sonic Melee Is Not Ready" from the title so you're not confused about the fact that this thread isn't specific to Sonic Melee? Maybe I should title it "Make Better Decisions and Reconsider How You Respond to Criticism So People Don't Feel Disinclined To Test New Features" because "Listen to Feedback" is easy to purposely misconstrue as claiming they don't see comments.

1) Do you think that is a good, productive way to create content for a game? Rush it out to hit arbitrary deadlines you've set for yourself, and fix it later? This is a game. The Homecoming team isn't a group of infallible higher beings who can't be seen as flawed or it'll risk societal collapse. Acknowledging mistakes isn't a weakness. Stubbornly refusing to admit mistakes is. I don't think that is a good way to develop content. So I am voicing my opinion. And people keep telling me to shut up. Stop telling me to shut up. 2) I agree, they shouldn't make a fixed statement about the length required to test things. I'm not suggesting they should. But this was an entirely new set with new feature mechanics, that deserved more time. I registered my discontent, and keep getting told to shut up. At this point it's not even the Homecoming Team that's the problem. It's the group of people who keep high fiving each other and repeating each other telling me and people who are unhappy to be quiet. Stop telling people who have complaints to be quiet. Why ask for feedback if the stance will be "if you don't like it, too bad"? I don't think that's the Homecoming team's policy, but I do think that it's the route that tends to be taken because it's easier to accept the praise and ignore the criticism. And I think it's a pattern through a lot of testing. Hence why I pointed it out. Hence why multiple people have pointed it out. The initial post was not very constructive. I'm aware. I apologize. That doesn't make the opinion presented wrong. I'm not the only one who has that opinion.

I was told to move my discussion from Focused Feedback to general feedback, thanks. And I am 'ranting and raving' that they should not start their testing when they know they have such a strict deadline. They can delay the release after providing the proper amount of time to test the set. And if they CAN'T, because they set their own arbitrary deadline, they should, at least, acknowledge that it was a bad decision and they will consider it for the future. Rather than pretending nothing was wrong and insulting testers for trying to provide feedback that they don't want to hear. They created both the rock and the hard place. They have the power to remove the hard place. There were other things being tested that were not ready, that they are not putting through to the next patch. They are capable of delaying the release of content and features. They are choosing not to.

Except this restaurant isn't open yet, and invited people in to test dishes to see if people thought it should be on the menu. Then sent servers around to ask "how is everything", heard people's opinions about the temperature of the food and the ambiance of the building, and then, before the meal was over, announced "we already decided what was going to be on the menu. We need to open by the end of the month. There's no time to change the selection. Thanks for coming" before listening to the feedback on the actual flavor, texture, variety, or pricing. Now I'm saying "hey wait, we have things to say about the food. Why did you waste our time bringing us out here if you weren't going to hear our opinions?" People would be justifiably annoyed at having their time wasted. They would be justified in saying "in the future, you should take the time to consider the menu changes people are suggesting. And if you wouldn't have time to consider menu changes, you should have scheduled the market testing earlier, or at least be honest about the fact that the event was meant to drum up hype for the grand opening."

The thing about language is that you don't need to use the specific words to convey your point. Carpet bombing every post anyone who disagrees with you with thumbs down is one way to tell them "do not post your opinion". Repeatedly telling them "if you don't like it, don't use it" when that thing is being tested and is (at least in theory) meant to be in a phase where it can be changed to something else, is telling them "do not post your opinion". "I'm not saying to shut up. I'm just saying don't talk." If it's not want you're intending to say, I can accept it. But it's how it comes across. But why not voice my concerns about their willingness to consider feedback? If you agree with that sentiment, but feel too defeated to argue that they should change their methods, that's on you. Don't encourage other people to give up, too. We should want change when we're unhappy with things. And yeah, I know my angry "this is ridiculous" first post was definitely not helpful or constructive, either. I realized shortly after posting that I should have cooled off before posting this. But it was too late to hide, and so I'm trying, belatedly, to be more constructive with what I say. (Mr. Moogly, I know this is kind of bickery, but please don't delete it. There's actual discussion about feedback mixed in.)

I disagree with your first statement. However, the part I highlighted, I definitely agree with. And that's a consistent pattern and problem with the development and testing of this game. And that's part of what I mean when I say they do not listen. It's back to the analogy I made of being one the phone and going "uh huh, uh huh, mhmm" until the person stops talking and hangs up. Once the developers have made up their mind on something, they stop actively listening. Sure, they'll keep the discussion going, but not with any intention of actually considering any feedback. And this thread, and my reactions, and criticisms, have all primarily been about how I feel that this was the state of their willingness to accept feedback from the start. There was never going to be serious consideration of dramatic changes. There was not going to be enough time for that. They knew the deadline was November. They chose to push it out for testing with only two weeks, because that's enough time to tweak numbers. People went into the testing with the assumption that there would time for testing. People put time into testing and providing feedback. What we got was an abrupt "okay that's done now, we don't have time for big changes. Maybe later." Why? Was it that they thought it would be an easy win for a marquee feature to make the patch look more rich in content? Was it that they were so confident in their internal testing they couldn't fathom anyone being unhappy with their experimental new idea? Was it that they are developing for the four people who have liked every post that speaks positively about the set and criticized people who are unhappy? Because you shouldn't develop for four people. You being part of that group of four people doesn't make your opinion more valid. It doesn't make you superior. Stop acting like it, please.

Except you didn't. You posted "don't make any more of this, because I don't like it". It's not made for you. They aren't obligated to stop making them simply because you don't like the show. And now I'm telling you, no, don't voice your opinion. Just shut up and don't consume the thing being created. Like you suggest others do when they don't like things. Do you see how annoying that is? That's what you sound like.