Proliferation of any epics not available with like ATs

[arkieboy72472]

I was making a character as an homage to a show my kids and I like, Avatar the last air bender and I wanted to make a master earthbender. I tried an earth sonic controller but it just didn’t sit right besides the power liquify. At least there was an earth mastery. So I figure I would try an earth earth dom. I don’t need some of the powers like the sleep or the mud pots yet so I get high enough and I look at the dominator epics (I dislike the patrons and they don’t fit theme) and no earth. Is there a way to make more epics for the sets so that there are more options? The standard power picks seem to be equal through out...you get a shield and some extra stuff. 
 

what are the chances ever of earth for earth doms and some more choices?

[Alchemystic]

So far there are only 2 Ancillary powersets yet to be proliferated to their partnered archetypes, and that's Munitions Mastery for Masterminds and Stone Mastery for Dominators.

 

I think Munitions Mastery could work on Masterminds with minimal changes, maybe something like this;

 - Body Armor

 - Cryo Freeze Ray

 - Flamethrower (from Assault Rifle)

 - LMR Missile

 - Fortification (From Arachnos Soldier)

 

As for Stone Mastery? There are few earth powers that Doms don't already have access to, so perhaps this;

 - Ash Fall (Talons of Vengeance power)

 - Fault

 - Rock Armor

 - Rooted

 - Earth's Embrace

 

I had a few ideas to post in my 'Power Recycling' thread in regards to creating completely new Ancillary Powersets though, I could post them here if you prefer 😃

Edited February 8, 2020 by Tyrannical

[Alchemystic]

Here's what I had; using powers that already exist and ones that specifically compliment the powersets each archetype can access. I purposely avoided making Electric or Dark themed powersets because I feel as though Mu and Soul already accomplish that well enough. I tried to make it so that each AT has around 7 different options to pick from.

 

Blaster / Mastermind

Mind Mastery

 - Dominate

/ - Mass Hypnosis/Mind Probe

 - Mind Over Body

 - Indomitable Will

/ - Telekinesis/World of Confusion

 

Ninjitsu Mastery

 - Paralyzing Dart

 - Flashing Steel

/ - Divine Avalanche/Kuji-In Sha

 - Kuji-In Rin

 - Soaring Dragon

 

---

 

Controller / Dominator

Plant Mastery

 - Bark Skin (Rename of Stone Skin)

/ - Thorny Darts/Corrosive Enzymes

 - Lunge

 - Wild Fortress

/ - Thorn Barrage/Spore Cloud

 

Kinetic Mastery

/ - Focused Burst/Transfusion

 - Energy Drain

 - Kinetic Shield

/ - Smashing Blow/Siphon Power

 - Entropic Aura

 

---

 

Defender / Corruptor

Frost Mastery

 - Chilblain

 - Flash Freeze

 - Frozen Armor

 - Freezing Touch

 - Hoarfrost

 

Fiery Mastery

 - Ring of Fire

 - Bonfire

 - Fire Shield

 - Incinerate

 - Rise of the Phoenix

 

Radioactive Mastery

 - Electron Shackles

 - Radiation Siphon

 - Alpha Barrier

 - Positron Cell

 - Radiation Therapy

 

---

 

Scrapper / Stalker

Toxin Mastery

 - Paralytic Poison

 - Bile Spray

 - Envenom

 - Spore Burst

 - Weaken

 

Illusion Mastery

 - Blind

 - Spectral Wounds

 - World of Confusion

 - Mental Training

 - Flash

 

Trap Mastery

 - Web Grenade

 - Oil Slick

 - Smoke Grenade

 - Trip Mine

 - Poison Trap

 

---

 

Tanker / Brute

Gravity Mastery

 - Crush

 - Gravity Distortion

 - Lift

 - Propel

 - Wormhole

 

Will Mastery

 - Mezmerize

 - Dominate

 - Levitate

 - Mass Hypnosis

 - Telekinesis

 

Radiation Mastery

 - Electron Shackles

 - Positron Cell

 - X-Ray Beam

 - Electron Haze

 - EM Pulse

 

---

 

Sentinel

Atomic Mastery

 - Electron Shackles

 - Radiation Siphon

 - Positron Cell

 - Irradiated Ground

 - EM Pulse

 

Edited February 8, 2020 by Tyrannical

[Saiyajinzoningen]

try KM/Stone melee for a decent earthbending experience

[Alchemystic]

Slight thread necro here but I had some other concepts I wanted to dump here rather than justify making a whole new thread for it;

 

Blaster / Mastermind

Street Mastery

 - High Pain Tolerance

 - Spit Fire

 - Molotov Cocktail

/ - Oil Slick/Strength of Will

 - Fire Bomb

 

Controller / Dominator

Cosmic Mastery

/ - X-Ray Beam/Ground Zero

 - Neutron Bomb

 - Radioactive Smash

 - Alpha Barrier

 - Radiation Therapy

 

Defender / Corruptor

Bio Mastery

 - DNA Siphon

 - Toxins

 - Hardened Carapace

 - Genetic Corruption

 - Parasitic Aura

 

Scrapper / Stalker

Rime Mastery

 - Chilblain

 - Block of Ice

 - Ice Blast

 - Shiver

 - Ice Storm

 

Tanker / Brute

Nature Mastery

 - Entangle

 - Thorny Darts

 - Thorn Barrage

 - Strangler

 - Spore Cloud

 

Sentinel

Momentum Mastery

 - Crush

 - Repulsing Torrent

 - Lift

 - Burst

 - Siphon Speed

 

Edited January 18, 2020 by Tyrannical

[EarlyGene]

I would also like to see the scrapper/stalker's Weapon and Darkness Mastery pools be proliferated to brutes and tankers and the brute/tanker's Arctic Mastery pool be proliferated to scrappers and stalkers.

[EarlyGene]

On 1/5/2020 at 11:54 AM, Tyrannical said:

Here's what I had; using powers that already exist and ones that specifically compliment the powersets each archetype can access. I purposely avoided making Electric or Dark themed powersets because I feel as though Mu and Soul already accomplish that well enough. I tried to make it so that each AT has around 7 different options to pick from.

 

Blaster / Mastermind

Mind Mastery

 - Dominate

/ - Mass Hypnosis/Mind Probe

 - Mind Over Body

 - Indomitable Will

/ - Telekinesis/World of Confusion

 

Ninjitsu Mastery

 - Paralyzing Dart

 - Flashing Steel

/ - Divine Avalanche/Kuji-In Sha

 - Kuji-In Rin

 - Soaring Dragon

 

---

 

Controller / Dominator

Plant Mastery

 - Bark Skin (Rename of Stone Skin)

/ - Thorny Darts/Corrosive Enzymes

 - Lunge

 - Wild Fortress

/ - Thorn Barrage/Spore Cloud

 

Kinetic Mastery

/ - Focused Burst/Transfusion

 - Energy Drain

 - Kinetic Shield

/ - Smashing Blow/Siphon Power

 - Entropic Aura

 

---

 

Defender / Corruptor

Frost Mastery

 - Chilblain

 - Flash Freeze

 - Frozen Armor

 - Freezing Touch

 - Hoarfrost

 

Fiery Mastery

 - Ring of Fire

 - Bonfire

 - Fire Shield

 - Incinerate

 - Rise of the Phoenix

 

Radioactive Mastery

 - Electron Shackles

 - Radiation Siphon

 - Alpha Barrier

 - Positron Cell

 - Radiation Therapy

 

---

 

Scrapper / Stalker

Toxin Mastery

 - Choking Powder

 - Bile Spray

 - Envenom

 - Spore Burst

 - Weaken

 

Illusion Mastery

 - Blind

 - Spectral Wounds

 - World of Confusion

 - Mental Training

 - Flash

 

Trap Mastery

 - Web Grenade

 - Oil Slick

 - Smoke Grenade

 - Trip Mine

 - Poison Trap

 

---

 

Tanker / Brute

Gravity Mastery

 - Crush

 - Gravity Distortion

 - Lift

 - Propel

 - Wormhole

 

Will Mastery

 - Mezmerize

 - Dominate

 - Levitate

 - Mass Hypnosis

 - Telekinesis

 

Radiation Mastery

 - Electron Shackles

 - Positron Cell

 - X-Ray Beam

 - Electron Haze

 - EM Pulse

 

---

 

Sentinel

Atomic Mastery

 - Electron Shackles

 - Radiation Siphon

 - Positron Cell

 - Irradiated Ground

 - EM Pulse

 

Defenders and Corruptors already have Flame Mastery.

[Alchemystic]

1 hour ago, EarlyGene said:

Defenders and Corruptors already have Flame Mastery.

I'm pretty sure they dont.

 

They have Dark, Psychic, Electricity and Power Mastery last I saw, unless something got added recently I may have missed?

Edited January 27, 2020 by Tyrannical

[EarlyGene]

5 minutes ago, Tyrannical said:

I'm pretty sure they dont.

 

They have Dark, Psychic, Electricity and Power Mastery last I saw, unless something got added recently I may have missed?

Flame Mastery was added to Corruptors/Defenders, possibly by the Homecoming Team. You should try to get a Corruptor/Defender to Level 35 and check the Epic Pool list to see if I'm right about Flame Mastery existing or not.

Edited January 27, 2020 by EarlyGene

[Alchemystic]

58 minutes ago, EarlyGene said:

Flame Mastery was added to Corruptors/Defenders, possibly by the Homecoming Team. You should try to get a Corruptor/Defender to Level 35 and check the Epic Pool list to see if I'm right about Flame Mastery existing or not.

I just had a check and looks like they do! I totally missed that.

 

Seems like Defenders/Corruptors are the only ones with a new Ancillary Powerset so I don't risk looking too much like a fool at least 

 

Edited January 27, 2020 by Tyrannical

[EarlyGene]

13 hours ago, Tyrannical said:

I just had a check and looks like they do! I totally missed that.

 

Seems like Defenders/Corruptors are the only ones with a new Ancillary Powerset so I don't risk looking too much like a fool at least 

 

It shouldn't be too hard to proliferate Arctic Mastery to scrappers/stalkers and it shouldn't be too hard to proliferate Darkness Mastery and Weapon Mastery to brutes/tankers either.

[Alchemystic]

Just now, EarlyGene said:

It shouldn't be too hard to proliferate Arctic Mastery to scrappers/stalkers and it shouldn't be too hard to proliferate Darkness Mastery and Weapon Mastery to brutes/tankers either.

 

It's why 'Rime Mastery' is identical to Arctic Mastery, melee archetypes share everything in ancillary sets besides the name 

[Alchemystic]

Probably the last lot I can think of that involves using (mostly) existing powers! Enjoy 

 

Blaster / Mastermind

Atom Mastery

 - Lingering Radiation

 - Electron Bonds (AoE Version of Electron Shackles)

 - Alpha Barrier

 - Meltdown

 - EM Pulse

 

Controller / Dominator

Martial Mastery

/ - Shuriken Throw/Throw Sand

 - Reaction Time

/ - Trick Shot/Burst of Speed

 - Inner Will

 - Elude

 

Defender / Corruptor

Health Mastery

 - Reconstruction

 - Quick Recovery

 - Dull Pain

 - Revive

 - Moment of Glory

 

Scrapper / Stalker

SCAR Mastery

 - SCAR Burst

 - SCAR Snipe

 - Targeting Drone

 - SCAR Heavy Burst

 - Surveillance

 

Tanker / Brute

Weaponry Mastery

 - Throwing Dagger

 - Paralyzing Dart

 - Caltrops

 - Exploding Shuriken

 - Poison Trap

 

Sentinel

Rifle Mastery

 - Sleep Grenade

 - Pummel

 - Cryo Freeze Ray

 - Ignite

 - Surveillance

Edited February 7, 2020 by Tyrannical

[EarlyGene]

I don't think it's fair that Corruptors, Defenders, Scrappers, Sentinels, and Stalkers can choose either Dark/Darkness Mastery or Soul Mastery as their dark-themed epic pool while all the other non-epic archetypes are stuck with having Soul Mastery as their only choice of dark-themed epic pool, so here are some ancillary dark-themed pools that I came up with as suggestions:

 

Blaster / Mastermind

Shadow Mastery

/ - Fade/Umbral Torrent

- Heart of Darkness

 - Dark Embrace

/ - Darkest Night/Tenebrous Tentacles

- Soul Transfer

 

Controller / Dominator

Darkness Mastery

/ - Dark Blast/Fade

- Umbral Torrent

 - Dark Embrace

- Soul Transfer

- Dark Consumption

 

Tanker / Brute

Nether Mastery

 - Torrent

- Petrifying Gaze

 - Dark Blast

- Night Fall

 - Tenebrous Tentacles

Edited February 6, 2020 by EarlyGene

[Alchemystic]

I like them!

 

I was initially avoiding doing Dark or Electric since Soul and Mu exist, but you did a pretty good job at making them stand out!

 

Any ideas for Electric themed sets for Controller/Dominator and the Melee Archetpes?

[Sakura Tenshi]

On 1/5/2020 at 9:54 AM, Tyrannical said:

Illusion Mastery

 - Mental Training

I like your work, Tyrannical, but mental training might need to be traded out since Stalkers and Scrappers can get Quickness from Super Reflexes which is the same thing, and personally, much as I'd love to have a passive +40% recharge boost, I can only imagine how well that would fly over with whoever is in charge of balancing.

 

Edit:

Also, I LOVE the idea of a SCAR mastery which would let melee classes have some legit firearm powers (I mean just because my guy's supposed to specialize in his CQC doesn't mean he's helpless at a range)

 

also, I would suggest maybe Bayonet for the Sentinel Rifle mastery be switched for Pummel since the animation and concept is more universally applicable to assault rifle models. It already bugs me a little that Arachnos soldiers' default weapons include at least two which lack a bayonet (also that one of the models is a shotgun but Arachnos soldiers get no shotgun powers)

Edited February 6, 2020 by Sakura Tenshi

[Alchemystic]

20 hours ago, Sakura Tenshi said:

I like your work, Tyrannical, but mental training might need to be traded out since Stalkers and Scrappers can get Quickness from Super Reflexes which is the same thing, and personally, much as I'd love to have a passive +40% recharge boost, I can only imagine how well that would fly over with whoever is in charge of balancing.

Good point!

 

Perhaps instead Spectral Terror could work? Or somerhing like Drain Psyche?

Edited February 7, 2020 by Tyrannical

[EarlyGene]

16 hours ago, Tyrannical said:

I like them!

 

I was initially avoiding doing Dark or Electric since Soul and Mu exist, but you did a pretty good job at making them stand out!

 

Any ideas for Electric themed sets for Controller/Dominator and the Melee Archetpes?

I also don't think it's fair that Blasters, Corruptors, Defenders, Masterminds, and Sentinels can choose either Charge/Electrical/Electricity Mastery or Mu Mastery as their electric-themed epic pool while all the other non-epic archetypes are stuck with having Mu Mastery as their only choice of electric-themed epic pool, so here are some ancillary electric-themed pools that I came up with as suggestions:

 

Controller / Dominator

Electric Mastery

/ - Charged Bolts/Thunder Clap

- Short Circuit

 - Charged Armor

- Surge of Power

- Power Sink

 

Scrapper / Stalker / Tanker / Brute

Lightning Mastery

 - Electric Fence

- Tesla Cage (Controller/Dominator version)

 - Charged Bolts

- EM Pulse

 - Ball Lightning

[Alchemystic]

Got one more, since over in another thread @Communistpenguin made a note that we don't see many Natural/Tech themed ancillary powers, so I'm gonna try and include some in this batch too.

 

Blaster / Mastermind

Bow Mastery

/ - Acid Arrow/Stunning Shot

/- Poison Gas Arrow/Blazing Arrow

 - Enduring

/ - Disruption Arrow/Eagle Eye

/ - Oil Slick Arrow/Explosive Arrow

 

Controller / Dominator

Hellfire Mastery

 / - Corruption/Hellfire Aura

/ - Crack Whip/Hellfire Breath

 - Ember Shield (Self Only)

/ - Lash/Abyssal Reconstruction (Self Only)

 - Consume

 

Defender / Corruptor

Device Mastery

 - Taser

 - Body Armor

 - Serum

 - Targeting Drone

 - Fortification

 

Scrapper / Stalker

Ninja Mastery

 - Immobilizing Dart

 - Shurikens

 - Masterful Throw

 - Choking Powder

 - Trick Shot

 

Tanker / Brute

Wild Mastery

 - Call Swarm

 - Web Envelope

 - Call Hawk

 - Web Cocoon

 - Unkindness

 

Sentinel

Combat Mastery

 - Caltrops

 - Heavy Blow

 - Throw Sand

 - Spinning Strike

 - World of Pain

Edited February 8, 2020 by Tyrannical

[EarlyGene]

2 hours ago, Tyrannical said:

Got one more, since over in another thread @Communistpenguin made a note that we don't see many Natural/Tech themed ancillary powers, so I'm gonna try and include some in this batch too.

 

Blaster / Mastermind

Bow Mastery

 - Acid Arrow

 - Poison Gas Arrow

 - Enduring

 - Disruption Arrow

 - Oil Slick Arrow

 

Controller / Dominator

Hellfire Mastery

 / - Corruption/Hellfire Aura

/ - Crack Whip/Hellfire Breath

 - Ember Shield (Self Only)

/ - Lash/Abyssal Reconstruction (Self Only)

 - Consume

 

Defender / Corruptor

Device Mastery

 - Taser

 - Body Armor

 - Serum

 - Targeting Drone

 - Fortification

 

Scrapper / Stalker

Ninja Mastery

 - Immobilizing Dart

 - Shurikens

 - Masterful Throw

 - Choking Powder

 - Trick Shot

 

Tanker / Brute

Wild Mastery

 - Call Swarm

 - Web Envelope

 - Call Hawk

 - Web Cocoon

 - Unkindness

 

Sentinel

Combat Mastery

 - Caltrops

 - Heavy Blow

 - Throw Sand

 - Spinning Strike

 - World of Pain

Speaking of Bow Mastery, I have one for the melee ATs:

 

Scrapper / Stalker / Tanker / Brute

Bow Mastery

- Electrified Net Arrow

- Ice Arrow

- Aimed Shot (Corruptor/Defender version)

- Acid Arrow

- Explosive Arrow

[EarlyGene]

I also think Sentinels should have an energy-themed pool:

 

Sentinel

Energy Mastery

- Conserve Power

- Energy Punch

- Focused Accuracy

- Total Focus

- Physical Perfection

Edited February 8, 2020 by EarlyGene

[EarlyGene]

I would also like to see sixth powers for epic pools.

 

For example:

 

Blaster

Cold Mastery: Jack Frost

Electrical Mastery: Gremlins

Flame Mastery: Fire Imps

Force Mastery: Singularity

Shadow Mastery (My Idea): Umbra Beast

 

Defender / Corruptor

Dark Mastery: Umbra Beast

Device Mastery (Tyrannical's Idea): Gun Drone

Electricity Mastery: Gremlins

Flame Mastery: Fire Imps

Frost Mastery (Tyrannical's Idea): Jack Frost

Power Mastery: Singularity

 

Scrapper / Stalker

Blaze Mastery: Fire Imps

Body Mastery: Singularity

Darkness Mastery: Umbra Beast

Lightning Mastery (My Idea): Gremlins

Rime Mastery (Tyrannical's Idea): Jack Frost

Weapon Mastery: Gun Drone

 

Tankers / Brute

Arctic Mastery: Jack Frost

Earth Mastery: Animate Stone

Energy Mastery: Singularity

Lightning Mastery (My Idea): Gremlins

Nether Mastery (My Idea): Umbra Beast

Pyre Mastery: Fire Imps

 

Sentinel

Dark Mastery: Umbra Beast

Electricity Mastery: Gremlins

Energy Mastery (My Idea): Singularity

Fire Mastery: Fire Imps 

Ice Mastery: Jack Frost

Ninja Tool Mastery: Call Genin (without dialogue and Mastermind commands)

 

Mastermind

Charge Mastery: Charged Armor

Heat Mastery: Fire Shield

[Communistpenguin]

While I would love a pet on some of my characters, i think that is going a bridge too far. Pets are typically a signature power of the class the come from, not a gap filling power like APPs are supposed to be.

 

[EarlyGene]

8 minutes ago, Communistpenguin said:

While I would love a pet on some of my characters, i think that is going a bridge too far. Pets are typically a signature power of the class the come from, not a gap filling power like APPs are supposed to be.

 

The non-blaster/mastermind patron pools and incarnate lore slots have pets though

Edited February 8, 2020 by EarlyGene

[Communistpenguin]

1) Incarnate stuff are OP by design, and generally more damage focused

2) patron power pets are generally not the same as MM/controller/Dom pets. they are much more damage focused than sing/Jack

 

A blaster with singularity would be crazy. Sing could absorb the alpha strike, the blaster could then unleash their crashless nuke, while sing tanks and holds any left over from the blasters alpha while the blaster mopped up.