/regen Hami tank build?

[Menelruin]

I was curious about what Tank was best for Hami, and the Tanker forum said it was actually a /regen brute, since all resists and defenses are pointless.  Anyone have a build for this?  I know it wouldn't be as useful for general content, and that's fine, I was just thinking in terms of pure optimization for this one task.  I would imagine DM is best for a primary, to get yet another self-heal.

[SeraphimKensai]

Primary honestly doesn't matter, as a a Hami tank/brute is not in melee due to Hami's attack (it's a targeted AoE) and being in melee increases the likelihood of wiping a bunch of the raid as they clear mitos or actually damage Hami.

[Apparition]

Yeah.  Primary doesn't really matter.  Just take Taunt and a ranged attack from your Ancillary/Epic pool like Gloom, and you'll be fine.  The ranged attack is to help keep Hamidon's attention, since, as Seraphim said, you shouldn't be in melee range while tanking Hamidon to begin with.

[Elmyder]

You can tank hami in melee. Everyone on Everlasting who tanks hami, including myself, does so in melee, and it causes no problems. It makes it easier to do without outside buffs as well because you can use more self heal powers, such as DNA Siphon.

While the league is clearing mitos, no one should be close enough to you to be hit by the aoe. If necessary, you can pull away while the league fights hami, but in my experience, this is not necessary.

 

But yes, the best builds will have: 1. high max hp, 2. high regen, 3. reliable self heals.

 

Regen brute, bio tanker, dark tanker, and probably willpower tanker are all good picks. Make sure to get all the accolades that buff your max hp, vigor core alpha for better regen/healing, and melee hybrid for even more regen (once again, improved by being in melee).

Edited January 19, 2020 by Elmyder

[Keen]

I'm a Regen Brute and regular Hami taunter on Everlasting.

 

I also taunt in melee and the Hami blasts don't hit my leaguemates (other than misbehaving pets). The major issue with meleeing Hami is getting all the green damage, which quickly floors your regeneration. There's nothing you can do by yourself -- not even Instant Healing + Rebirth + Melee Hybrid -- to keep your regen above zero if you have green damage on you. You can use temporary pets as a way to draw green aggro away from you. I don't use them though, and I'm able to tank Hami in melee while taking all green damage, without needing external buffs.

 

So if you plan on taunting in melee, you don't need to invest so heavily in regeneration outside of your secondary. Instead, you'll want to invest in Max HP, Recharge, and Recovery. If you decide to taunt from range, then having regeneration may have a more positive effect.

 

Primary indeed doesn't matter, but you're right about Dark Melee. Just keep in mind that Siphon Life has an accuracy check.

 

Here are a few fun facts based on experience:

• Green damage will also give you 100% resistance to heals when stacked enough.
  • It doesn't take long for them to reach the negative cap (-100%) and you usually stay negative-capped until the end of the raid.
  • This means that most outside healing will be useless on you (heal for zero).
  • Green inspirations will also heal you for nothing while you're debuffed this way.
  • Self heals (including Siphon Life) are unresistable so they aren't affected by this.
• What keeps me alive are the two click heals from /Regeneration: Reconstruction and Dull Pain.
  • If you don't have external buffs, you have to time your heals carefully, otherwise all the green damage can kill you through EoE.
• Recovery is important! Quick Recovery + Stamina + IOs are NOT enough.
  • Hamidon blasts drain endurance, as well as blue chains, which you will be getting hit with.
  • To fix recovery issues you likely have to go Ageless (+Recovery).
    • I spent a good amount of time trying to make Rebirth work as a Hami taunter. Turned out to be a major disappointment.
    • Going Ageless also improves your recharge, which is a key aspect of a Hami taunter build.

Some observations on a few Regeneration powers and how they perform for the purposes of Hami taunting:

• Moment of Glory. Used upon launching and before blooms. It gives you extra mez protection and +recovery for a few seconds, which will allow you to endure the initial yellow and blue alphas.
• Resilience. The extra stun protection makes this set stand out from others. Quite useful against yellow blasts.
• Revive is actually skippable. The "untouchable" effect does not work against Hami damage, so you'll likely die immediately after rezzing.
• Integration for Brutes has a MAJOR design flaw: it has a +Taunt component, so when you're mezzed, it drops, instead of being suppressed.
  • If for some reason you get stun-locked by excessive yellow damage, or your endurance is all drained, it can be very difficult to recover from all the knockback that you'll get.
• Instant Healing is a power I actually rarely use, because it has little to no practical effect.
  • It goes like this: I reach Hami in melee, get blasted by greens, all my regen goes to zero.
  • I hit Instant Healing... and my regeneration is STILL ZERO.
  • I hit the Melee Hybrid and my regeneration is STILL ZERO.
  • I use Rebirth and... guess what ^

 

When you do have external buffs, Hami taunting with a Regen Brute is a complete breeze, and you can do so for most of the raid using little to no EoEs. But I like being independent. 😄

Edited January 20, 2020 by Keen

[Menelruin]

15 hours ago, Keen said:

I'm a Regen Brute and regular Hami taunter on Everlasting.

 

I also taunt in melee and the Hami blasts don't hit my leaguemates (other than misbehaving pets). The major issue with meleeing Hami is getting all the green damage, which quickly floors your regeneration. There's nothing you can do by yourself -- not even Instant Healing + Rebirth + Melee Hybrid -- to keep your regen above zero if you have green damage on you. You can use temporary pets as a way to draw green aggro away from you. I don't use them though, and I'm able to tank Hami in melee while taking all green damage, without needing external buffs.

 

So if you plan on taunting in melee, you don't need to invest so heavily in regeneration outside of your secondary. Instead, you'll want to invest in Max HP, Recharge, and Recovery. If you decide to taunt from range, then having regeneration may have a more positive effect.

 

Primary indeed doesn't matter, but you're right about Dark Melee. Just keep in mind that Siphon Life has an accuracy check.

 

Here are a few fun facts based on experience:

• Green damage will also give you 100% resistance to heals when stacked enough.
  • It doesn't take long for them to reach the negative cap (-100%) and you usually stay negative-capped until the end of the raid.
  • This means that most outside healing will be useless on you (heal for zero).
  • Green inspirations will also heal you for nothing while you're debuffed this way.
  • Self heals (including Siphon Life) are unresistable so they aren't affected by this.
• What keeps me alive are the two click heals from /Regeneration: Reconstruction and Dull Pain.
  • If you don't have external buffs, you have to time your heals carefully, otherwise all the green damage can kill you through EoE.
• Recovery is important! Quick Recovery + Stamina + IOs are NOT enough.
  • Hamidon blasts drain endurance, as well as blue chains, which you will be getting hit with.
  • To fix recovery issues you likely have to go Ageless (+Recovery).
    • I spent a good amount of time trying to make Rebirth work as a Hami taunter. Turned out to be a major disappointment.
    • Going Ageless also improves your recharge, which is a key aspect of a Hami taunter build.

Some observations on a few Regeneration powers and how they perform for the purposes of Hami taunting:

• Moment of Glory. Used upon launching and before blooms. It gives you extra mez protection and +recovery for a few seconds, which will allow you to endure the initial yellow and blue alphas.
• Resilience. The extra stun protection makes this set stand out from others. Quite useful against yellow blasts.
• Revive is actually skippable. The "untouchable" effect does not work against Hami damage, so you'll likely die immediately after rezzing.
• Integration for Brutes has a MAJOR design flaw: it has a +Taunt component, so when you're mezzed, it drops, instead of being suppressed.
  • If for some reason you get stun-locked by excessive yellow damage, or your endurance is all drained, it can be very difficult to recover from all the knockback that you'll get.
• Instant Healing is a power I actually rarely use, because it has little to no practical effect.
  • It goes like this: I reach Hami in melee, get blasted by greens, all my regen goes to zero.
  • I hit Instant Healing... and my regeneration is STILL ZERO.
  • I hit the Melee Hybrid and my regeneration is STILL ZERO.
  • I use Rebirth and... guess what ^

 

When you do have external buffs, Hami taunting with a Regen Brute is a complete breeze, and you can do so for most of the raid using little to no EoEs. But I like being independent. 😄

Awesome info, thanks!  I'm on Torch and have tanked a few times on my SD/rad tanker for the nightly raids, which typically have a full league of 48.  However, my SG has been talking about trying to see if we can do our own, so I've been thinking about putting together an "ideal" Hami taunter.  I had no idea it was possible to survive without outside buffs/heals, that's amazing!

 

Is there any chance I could get your build for this, please?

Edited January 20, 2020 by Menelruin

[Keen]

5 hours ago, Menelruin said:

Is there any chance I could get your build for this, please?

Sure. See attached file 🙂

 

The build also packs ~42% SL DEF and ~71% SL RES, making it excellent during monster hunting phase, as well as general game content. Damage isn't great though, but we can't have everything, can we? 😛 

Keen Steel - Brute (Katana-Regen).mxd

Edited January 21, 2020 by Keen

[Menelruin]

1 hour ago, Keen said:

Sure. See attached file 🙂

 

The build also packs ~42% SL DEF and ~71% SL RES, making it excellent during monster hunting phase, as well as general game content. Damage isn't great though, but we can't have everything, can we? 😛 

Keen Steel - Brute (Katana-Regen).mxd 5.29 kB · 0 downloads

Awesomesauce!  And damage isn't too much of a concern -- like I said, my sole focus is to make a character as ideally suited for specifically tanking Hami as possible =P

[Elmyder]

A bit of a follow up after talking this over with Keen and running some experiments:

1. Toxic resists do matter, since the greens deal toxic dot. It is possible to build to cap toxic resists with one reconstruction, and is decently easy to achieve cap with 2 reconstructions.

2. End drain is an issue sometimes. You can apparently avoid it with enough energy def to avoid the blue hits. Keen says that in a raid setting, this isn't an issue, probably due to a combo of ageless, people firing off buffs that cap defense, and people distracting aggro from blues. However, bio armor has it easy due to a strong endurance drain resist in the armor.

[VV]

Honestly, the best Hami "tank" I have seen was a dwarf (not sure if it was PB or WS, I think maybe WS).  They did need a pocket Energy booster, but that was it.

[Menelruin]

6 hours ago, VV said:

Honestly, the best Hami "tank" I have seen was a dwarf (not sure if it was PB or WS, I think maybe WS).  They did need a pocket Energy booster, but that was it.

I'm afraid I haven't tried either one yet, but what do they have to protect against the core?  Both Res and Defense are almost useless.....

[Tax E]

Just a note, another power to consider for recovery and recharge is the Accolade Geas of the Kind Ones. My hami taunter has it. I haven't had issues with Rebirth, but already stated was Ageless as an excellent source of recovery. *thumbs up*