Is Darkest Night redundant on a Fortunata?

[Sou1catcher]

I have been looking over the Soul Mastery pool and having run a Dark Miasma character before I have been a fan of Darkest Night.

Is the Patron Pool power the same as the Dark Miasma and is it redundant on a Fortunata?

 

I got the Data Below from a reply in a related thread but can't find the Data from Dark Miasma to compare.  http://web.archive.org/web/20140705004729/http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/powers/archetype.php?at=13

 

 

Soul Mastery	Lvl	Acc	Dmg	Act	Int	Cast	Rch	End	Rng	Radius	Arc	Area
Gloom	35	1	1.76	-	-	1.1s	12s	10.66	80ft	-	-	Character
Soul Tentacles	35	1	0.935	-	-	1.67s	20s	12.74	40ft	40ft	25°	Cone
Dark Obliteration	41	1	0.9	-	-	1s	32s	18.98	80ft	15ft	-	Sphere
Darkest Night	41	1	-	0.5s	-	2.37s	10s	0.325	70ft	25ft	-	Sphere
Summon Widow	44	1	-	-	-	3.2s	900s	26	60ft	-	-	Location

[Gulbasaur]

It confers a 17% -dmg debuff to enemies it targets, as well as an 8.5% -ToHit. I'd say it was more use to your teammates than you, as fortunatas have a lot of defence as a baseline. 

 

If you want a bit of a focus on team support, it's a reasonably good power and one worth a few enhancements, but it would be of relatively low use in terms of personal survivability, unless you're going up against enemies with lots of -Def. 

 

Also note that debuffs scale poorly against enemies higher level than you, so against +4 enemies both of those values would be roughly halved. My philosophy for pool powers is "does it solve a problem?" and the answer is "not really". 

 

As it has two debuffs (which is part of the calculations for the aggro mechanic), it would help you hold aggro a bit better, though, so maybe if you want to build a control tanker it'd help a bit. 

[siolfir]

42 minutes ago, Sou1catcher said:

[...] can't find the Data from Dark Miasma to compare. 

Here's the link to Defender Dark Miasma: http://web.archive.org/web/20140821042044/http://tomax.cohtitan.com/data/powers/powerset.php?id=Defender_Buff.Dark_Miasma

 

And a silly little chart:

AT	ToHit Debuff	Dam Debuff	End Cost	Cast Time
Defender	18.75%	37.5%	0.26	3.17
Widow	8.438%	16.875%	0.325	2.37

 

The range, radius, and recharge for both versions are all identical.

 

And unless you have more endurance than survivability, I would personally recommend skipping it for the reasons that @Gulbasaur mention (specifically, it doesn't solve a problem most Widows have).

Edited January 31, 2020 by siolfir
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[Mr. Vee]

I'd skip it, it's not going to be anything like the let's corner pull in safety to the tar patch power it is on defenders. If you're looking for more powers to take a VEAT can never go wrong with doubled up leadership powers.

[Harakh]

DN I find helpful. I used to run with aid self but since focusing more on increasing resistance really just a tiny bit coupled with DN... regen and health procs. Since resists are highest  as health drops having the smallest bit of -Dmg goes further when battle can be a real cheek clincher. I've survived epic battles at moments by a hair of health which I wouldn't of had without DN. It also gives me extra time to allow for mobs to pile on top of me if I'm doing a pull.

 

I haven't regretted the change yet. Am able to solo 52 av s without lore pets (haven't tried higher), and also soloed Babbage without lore.

 

I was purposely not using DN last night testing my window against my new 50 sententil and really felt the difference. I wanted so bad to take DN on my SR sent but couldn't give up the large radius immo for my RoF. 

 

Back to topic. 1 vote for DN. With procd and hami o tenticles. Procd obliteration ( the dark air if that's the name) and DN. Soul has been nothing short of amazing for my build.