Stalker Ice Melee>Ice Patch Slotting

[Pine]

Stalker Ice Melee>Ice Patch says it allows Stalker ATOs but will not actually let them be slotted. 

Was going to be a great place to stick my Assassin's Mark chance for build up/recharge ATO 😞

I have not tested, but I bet Universal Damage Set also is a no go.

Edited March 18, 2020 by Pine

[Redlynne]

The reason why looks like it's because Allowed Enhancements does not include Damage.

[Pine]

Well that's good.... cause i was just trying to slot a recharge into it. Assassin's Mark Recharge/Global Chance to recharge BU.

[Trickshooter]

37 minutes ago, Pine said:

Well that's good.... cause i was just trying to slot a recharge into it. Assassin's Mark Recharge/Global Chance to recharge BU.

The effect of the enhancement doesn't really matter; what matters is what type of enhancement it's considered. Assassin's Mark enhancements are all considered Damage enhancements, even if any one of them doesn't include any actual Damage increase. Ice Patch does not accept Damage enhancements, so it can't accept the Assassin's Mark set.

 

This is not necessarily an explanation for you, but for anyone who reads this thread and might be confused:

 

Enhancements a power accepts and IO set categories a power accepts are two different things, and flagging a power to accept one doesn't automatically make it accept the other. That's why there are examples like this, where a power doesn't accept an enhancement type (like damage), but is contradicted by saying it accepts sets for that type, when it actually won't. There are also examples of the opposite, where a power does accept an enhancement type, but nobody has activated the associated IO set categories for that enhanceable effect.

 

The reason this isn't an automatic thing, where enhancement types accepted will activate the associated IO set category, is because the IO sets can get more specific than the powers system can understand. By that I mean, the powers system itself doesn't know when a power should be considered, for example: melee damage, ranged damage, pbaoe damage, targeted aoe damage, sniper damage, pet damage, or recharge intensive pet damage.

[Pine]

Perhaps you know more than I do about this, but I am under the impression that the ability to slot a set is dependent on pretty much a text file saying 'hey, this power accepts x sets'. What the power does with that enhancement is another ball game. 

 

It is still a bug that it SAYS it accepts Universal Damage and Stalker ATOs but does not allow them to be slotted. We can debate that they should or should not be slotted. True, it doesn't do damage so damage should not be allowed to be slotted, but it does knockback and knockback is not slottable. It would be a superb place to stick the Stalker ATO. But we also should keep idiots from slotting actual damage in a set that doesn't do damage.... kinda like being able to slot endurance modification in Unstoppable while the recovery portion is not effected by enhancements... but you can. ... 

[Trickshooter]

1 hour ago, Pine said:

Perhaps you know more than I do about this, but I am under the impression that the ability to slot a set is dependent on pretty much a text file saying 'hey, this power accepts x sets'. What the power does with that enhancement is another ball game. 

Every set is internally considered an enhancement type, and if a power doesn't accept that enhancement type, it won't accept the sets associated with that type, even if it says those sets are accepted. Ice Patch does not accept damage enhancements, so it won't accept Assassin's Mark, even though it says it's an accepted set, because internally the enhancements of the Assassin's Mark set are considered damage enhancements.

 

So you say, hey I wanna slot this: 

 

But Ice Patch sees that as this  and is like 

 

2 hours ago, Pine said:

It is still a bug that it SAYS it accepts Universal Damage and Stalker ATOs but does not allow them to be slotted.

Absolutely!

 

2 hours ago, Pine said:

But we also should keep idiots from slotting actual damage in a set that doesn't do damage.... kinda like being able to slot endurance modification in Unstoppable while the recovery portion is not effected by enhancements... but you can. ... 

One of the oldest bugs in the game, still going strong! lol