Grant Invisibility still not AoE?

[Nexros]

I've been working on a themed build and I realized all the fast recharge buff ally abilities have been changed over time to being much less spamy and aoe. Why isn't this the case with Grant Invisibility in the Stealth pool?

 

Just curious, was this just forgotten about or is it intentionally still a 4s CD single target skill for a reason?

[Greycat]

It may have been overlooked, or it may be that they don't want it to directly copy the team invis that's part of Illusion. (Or that it's considered something that should allow you to skip teammates that don't want it - I tend to hear tanks and brutes complaining if they're given it, for instance.)

[Nexros]

3 hours ago, Greycat said:

It may have been overlooked, or it may be that they don't want it to directly copy the team invis that's part of Illusion. (Or that it's considered something that should allow you to skip teammates that don't want it - I tend to hear tanks and brutes complaining if they're given it, for instance.)

I suppose stealth would reduce aggro distance... but it is always possible to cancel a buff. I hadn't thought of that though. Still, as a stealthy MM, it's super annoying.

[Normal Thomas]

3 hours ago, Greycat said:

It may have been overlooked, or it may be that they don't want it to directly copy the team invis that's part of Illusion. (Or that it's considered something that should allow you to skip teammates that don't want it - I tend to hear tanks and brutes complaining if they're given it, for instance.)

Team Invisibility is the most complained about power I've ever had lol. I imagine Grant Invisibility with AoE might elicit some similar responses. Still, its hard to keep up single target buff these days. I think this would be worth looking into.

[Greycat]

Honestly, if I had the option to choose between AOE and single target on my buffs, there are times I'd just take ST. I have no issues with tracking who actually needs them and keeping it on them (generally. Assuming the person hasn't decided they belong on the other side of the map.)

[Outrider_01]

Controller numbers

Power	Defense	Rechare/Duration
Grant Invise	2.5%	3 sec / 2 mins
Group Invise	2.25%	4 minutes / 2 mins
Fade	9%	3.5 minutes / 1 min

Take your pick, but if you want pure invise it will probably lose defense as the power pool would be superior to Group/Illusion or Fade/Affinity for the duration and not the percentage.

[Nexros]

17 hours ago, Outrider_01 said:

Controller numbers

Power	Defense	Rechare/Duration
Grant Invise	2.5%	3 sec / 2 mins
Group Invise	2.25%	4 minutes / 2 mins
Fade	9%	3.5 minutes / 1 min

Take your pick, but if you want pure invise it will probably lose defense as the power pool would be superior to Group/Illusion or Fade/Affinity for the duration and not the percentage.

Wow, I thought groups invis was better, though I never really play troller. It might make more sense to buff Group Invis simply because the distance between Fade and Group Invis seems odd... So something like:

 

Controller numbers (my change in bold)

Power	Defense	Rechare/Duration
Grant Invise	2.5%	3 sec / 2 mins
Group Invise	5-9%	4 minutes / 2 mins
Fade	9%	3.5 minutes / 1 min

 

 

That would make a lot more sense to me. That being said I have no idea how to properly balance power sets at all, just an observation.

One other thing to note here is that Group Invis is part of a Control set, not a Support set. So that may be a poor comparison to begin with? idk

Edited January 23, 2021 by Nexros

[Outrider_01]

6 hours ago, Nexros said:

One other thing to note here is that Group Invis is part of a Control set, not a Support set. So that may be a poor comparison to begin with? idk

Good point, but I am just comparing the powers.  Illusion itself has Group and superior invise (self).  Pure garbage powers for control set, only  tertiary support really and pretty minor....illusion/dark and its 4 powers to slot with LotG

[Burk]

I doubt Grant Invis will be made AoE just on the basis that it is a pool power.

Also, does Fade even have a stealth component? I don't see that in the ingame details. It looks like it just provides defense, ddr, and resistance.