Access to Powers At All Levels After Acquisition

[Cancrusher]

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The broken record is me trying to explain how the very thing you're saying, having powers would be too OP because of damage, is literally the same mechanic as equipping a P2W power and popping an inspiration. 

 

I'm neither for nor against your suggestion, but there is no equivalency here.

[Mark]

28 minutes ago, Cancrusher said:

 

I'm neither for nor against your suggestion, but there is no equivalency here.

Another claim with no data to support it. Thank you for your opinion.

[Cancrusher]

17 minutes ago, Mark said:

Another claim with no data to support it. Thank you for your opinion.

 

I'm not a maths guy.  Could someone use a random example with some number crunching to show the difference?  I've been playing long enough to know from experience that what Mark believes to be true here, is not actually true, but I lack the mathing skills to illustrate my point. 

 

A hard confession to cop to, but there you have it.  😁🤷‍♂️ 

Edited February 26, 2022 by Cancrusher

[Mark]

Just now, Cancrusher said:

 

I'm not a maths guy.  Could someone use a random example with some number crunching to show the difference?  I've been playing long enough to know from experience that what Mark believes to be true here, is not actually true, but I lack the mathing skills to illustrate my point. 

 

A hard confession to cop to, but there you have it.  😁🤷‍♂️ 

My previous posts have facts and receipts. You continue to provide nothing but empty distraction.

[Cancrusher]

5 minutes ago, Mark said:

My previous posts have facts and receipts. You continue to provide nothing but empty distraction.

 

That is an unjust and unfair assertion, because when I create an empty distraction I totally do a much more badass job of it than that.  Exhibit A... 😁

[Mark]

Just now, Cancrusher said:

 

That is an unjust and unfair assertion, because when I create an empty distraction I totally do a much more badass job of it than that.  Exhibit A... 😁

 

Alright, tiger. Thank you for your opinion.

[Cancrusher]

2 minutes ago, Mark said:

 

Alright, tiger. Thank you for your opinion.

 

I'm just gettin' warmed up, buddy!  

[Psyonico]

27 minutes ago, Cancrusher said:

 

I'm not a maths guy.  Could someone use a random example with some number crunching to show the difference?  I've been playing long enough to know from experience that what Mark believes to be true here, is not actually true, but I lack the mathing skills to illustrate my point. 

 

A hard confession to cop to, but there you have it.  😁🤷‍♂️ 

 

No math, but data... P2W powers are not affected by damage modifiers.

[Rudra]

Are they even affected by set bonuses?

[Luminara]

4 minutes ago, Rudra said:

Are they even affected by set bonuses?

 

The attacks?  Yes, unless it's +Damage, then no.

 

More thoroughly answered, in the strictest sense, set bonuses are powers applied to your character, not to other individual powers.  So if you have 45% +Accuracy, that's an Accuracy modifier on your character's base hit roll equation, and that adjusted equation then becomes the base used by other powers.  That's how set bonuses work.

[Frozen Burn]

4 hours ago, Mark said:

The broken record is me trying to explain how the very thing you're saying, having powers would be too OP because of damage, is literally the same mechanic as equipping a P2W power and popping an inspiration. There is no difference. The bonuses that you think you'll get from the Lv35+ powers will not -- will not -- be the same amount that you get at level 35+ because the damage bonus caps on its own from level 1-30+. It's the same reason why Lv50+ are not one-shotting SBB bosses. The cap adjusts the damage on it's own already. It really is just access to the exact same maximum amount of damage already possible through use of P2W powers and a medium inspiration except with better animations.

 

I am sad for the future of games, but I think I'm done yelling at the wall. Thanks everyone for your participation. Take care, stay safe.

 

The issue is, you're arguing against yourself and what you stated you wanted in your opening argument.  You want people to slow down, be more of team player, and work together instead of just running off and speeding things... The things you like about the lower level content you stated are because people's powers are limited.  And apparently, not many people are being uber in that low-level content with P2W powers or super inspires, or base buffs, or etc - otherwise, you would have stated something differently from the start.

 

By asking the devs to give us all our powers when we ex down DOES NOT HELP what you stated in your opening statement - it will only make people do the exact opposite and speed off on their own.  Can people already be sort of uber at lower levels with Super-uber inspires, P2W powers, buffs from base machines, and etc - yes.  But rarely do people do this - as I think you know.  So again, asking to give people all their powers at lower levels only makes it worse and more easily accessed and counter to what you're asking for.  

 

So pick what you want to argue for - slowing people down for better teaming and strategizing and having to rely on others OR being uber all the time and not needing anyone let alone a team. 

 

[Mark]

14 minutes ago, Frozen Burn said:

 

The issue is, you're arguing against yourself and what you stated you wanted in your opening argument.  You want people to slow down, be more of team player, and work together instead of just running off and speeding things... The things you like about the lower level content you stated are because people's powers are limited.  And apparently, not many people are being uber in that low-level content with P2W powers or super inspires, or base buffs, or etc - otherwise, you would have stated something differently from the start.

 

By asking the devs to give us all our powers when we ex down DOES NOT HELP what you stated in your opening statement - it will only make people do the exact opposite and speed off on their own.  Can people already be sort of uber at lower levels with Super-uber inspires, P2W powers, buffs from base machines, and etc - yes.  But rarely do people do this - as I think you know.  So again, asking to give people all their powers at lower levels only makes it worse and more easily accessed and counter to what you're asking for.  

 

So pick what you want to argue for - slowing people down for better teaming and strategizing and having to rely on others OR being uber all the time and not needing anyone let alone a team. 

 

Power access has nothing to do with mission pace. The lower level missions are more enjoyable because the objectives encourage cooperation. If DFB's objective was to just kill the bosses or escort teleporting, they would be speed ran. Having access to powers is the exact same as replacing them with P2W powers and popping an inspiration in DFB and Posi.

[Mark]

Aside from the repeating of the same arguments on the last page, does leveling from 1-10 in one +4 8x DFB hosted by higher level friends not sound fun as sh*t? You're already doing it semi-afking in AEs chatting with Dave about his cat's dementia.

[Rudra]

You keep falling back on that like the use of high level powers and P2W powers is an either/or. If you have P2W powers, you always have access to them, regardless of level. You have access to inspirations regardless of level. You have access to the bonuses provided from your attuned and purple enhancements regardless of level. You do not have access to high level powers regardless of level. So saying you can just substitute powers you always have, even when you're 50 or 1, for powers you can only use in higher level content instead of alongside them which is the actual case, is a misrepresentation. Or a fraud?

 

And power availability has a strong connection to people's ability to race through missions. Regardless of whether it is P2W, temp powers, or chosen power set powers. It is the availability of those higher powers that lets people steam roll or race through missions. It is the lack of powers that causes a need to rely on each other. You have never seen DfB or other content where the team fractures and races to accomplish the objectives before anyone else can get there? Because I sure have. It is not the mission objectives that forces teamwork. Since they removed the synchronous glowy clicks from missions, there are not mission objectives that require teamwork when you have the powers to solo or ignore everything on the map.

 

Your request goes against the request's stated purpose of more teamwork. If anything, the +5 level power availability being removed is what you should be asking for, not even more powers to remove what little incentive for teamwork exists.

[GM Impervium]

Alright, look.

Pretty much EVERYONE ELSE has been telling you you're either contradicting yourself, or flat out wrong. Your refusal to accept that means you're unwilling to discuss this idea in good faith. And since it's getting heated in here as a result, I have little choice but to close this thread.

Thank you for your feedback.