Prestige Power: Fly (w/out a jetpack, carpet, etc.)

[AwkwardGiraffe]

I'm not going to lie. I love to fly. It just feels right, especially toons with wings. Sometimes when building a toon I'm not able to pick up the Flight pool in lieu of the Leaping pool. For toons in these situations, I'd love to be able to soar amongst the skies of Paragon with the standard Fly animation versus picking up the Skiff or Board. I wouldn't mind paying for it like the others, I wouldn't mind the speed.

 

Thanks for listening!

[Rudra]

I am still against this suggestion. Flight with no jetpack, rocketboard, void skiff, or flying carpet? Or rather, flight without any obvious external to character means that had to be purchased from a vendor selling premade products to the character? Take the Fly power. If it is that integral a part of your character, fit it into your character build.

[Saiyajinzoningen]

how about a flight belt or a flight ring?

also I want the opposite

I want all those purchasable jetpacks in the costume creator

 

[Rudra]

18 minutes ago, Saiyajinzoningen said:

I want all those purchasable jetpacks in the costume creator

I'm all for proliferating the P2W jetpack models to the character creator. I'm just against a no jetpack, flying carpet, void skiff, or rocketboard flight being available at P2W. (Edit: Especially considering the OP. Why make a winged character that can fly if you're going to go to a vendor and buy an item that grants you flight instead of giving the character his/her/their/its own native ability to fly? Just take the power.)

Edited November 9, 2023 by Rudra

[JasperStone]

34 minutes ago, Saiyajinzoningen said:

how about a flight belt or a flight ring?

also I want the opposite

I want all those purchasable jetpacks in the costume creator

 

I suggested a flight belt before.

It should be slower than the jetpack 

[Rudra]

Came back to edit my previous post, but there was a post after it, so I'm making a new post.

 

I would be fine with a flight belt. Make it some large contraption the character wears around the waist and overrides/hides any belt costume item the character is wearing. It should have various controls and thrusters on it as well. As in it should look like a belt-based thruster/flight system. (It should also be available as a belt option for characters without needing to buy the P2W version.) A flight ring? Our characters cannot currently have rings added to their hands to the best of my knowledge. So no.

[BrandX]

9 hours ago, Rudra said:

I am still against this suggestion. Flight with no jetpack, rocketboard, void skiff, or flying carpet? Or rather, flight without any obvious external to character means that had to be purchased from a vendor selling premade products to the character? Take the Fly power. If it is that integral a part of your character, fit it into your character build.

 

Well, I can say, I know my concept is a hero who basically would be jumping around the city like Spider-Man, except there would be moments of UNLEASHED POWER concept wise, where she'd be able to fly.  Usually I fit in Fly, but a few builds have made it either SJ or gone with Fly and just relied on Ninja Run.  Problem with Ninja Run, is once I have flight, I tend to rely on it over the more concept for the moment, Ninja Run.

It's not always an easy balancing act.  Though, I've never made the choice between the two based solely on stats tho.  It's been more of a "do I want to try and fit in Spring Jump"

[Rudra]

16 minutes ago, BrandX said:

 

Well, I can say, I know my concept is a hero who basically would be jumping around the city like Spider-Man, except there would be moments of UNLEASHED POWER concept wise, where she'd be able to fly.  Usually I fit in Fly, but a few builds have made it either SJ or gone with Fly and just relied on Ninja Run.  Problem with Ninja Run, is once I have flight, I tend to rely on it over the more concept for the moment, Ninja Run.

It's not always an easy balancing act.  Though, I've never made the choice between the two based solely on stats tho.  It's been more of a "do I want to try and fit in Spring Jump"

As a person who has several characters that have no travel powers, relying on P2W powers like Ninja Run or Athletic Run, not to mention that most of my characters are fliers (and are so by means of the Fly power pool), I get what you are saying. However, that is the thing to me, it is a balancing act depending on the character and it should be.

 

If players want to go to P2W and buy their travel powers from there? Fine. Do it. It is why they have those powers available. However, a power like flight bought from a vendor should always have a visual representation of what it is. I don't care if it is a jetpack, a rocketboard, an energy disc, a magic carpet, a massive belt with jetpack thrusters like the jetpacks have, a flying machine holding the character up from above with magic strings like a puppeteer making their marionette fly, a catapult that flings the character across the map, a swarm of flies grabbing the fly attractor on you and carrying you off, or whatever. If a player wants their character to have innate flight though? Take the Fly power from the Flight pool or the Mystic Flight power from the Sorcery pool. (If your winged character is not able to fly but wants to be able to? Then just like any non-winged character, you still have to buy a device that lets you fly, strap it on, and let it carry you through the sky.) When you go to P2W, you are buying a device that lets your character fly. It is not intrinsic flight. You can buy training to make you run faster or jump higher, no device required. A device that turns you into an animal would disappear or at least can be justified as disappearing into the transformed state. (A P2W power that turns you into a flock of birds or bats, or into a bird or bat, to fly around? Great, no device required on the character model because it blends into your transformed state like turning into a panther.) A device the lets you leap over buildings, fly across the sky, teleport across the field, or make you run faster than Speedy Gonzales on speed? That is going have some sort of visual cue on the character that shows the device granting the power. Because you are buying a device with the power, it is not an intrinsic power of the character.

 

Most times someone asks for a no model form of flight from the P2W vendor? It is because they are mentally stuck on incorporating the Holy Quad into their build, so they don't have room for a flight power as well. Fine. Pursue the Holy Quad. Play however you want. That flight power from P2W though? Is going to have a device that is rendered on the character to show they have it. Whatever form it may take. Flight belt, power ring that covers your character in a <color> aura (suppressing your other auras like a Green Lantern ring, if a ring can be added to the character model without deforming the hand or cutting through the other fingers somehow), jetpack, sky surf board, flying shark you grab and hang on to until you let go to fight as it keeps flying off, take your pick, I don't care.

[biostem]

There are precedents in comics where a character can't fly on their own, so instead relies on something like a ring or belt to gain that ability.  That being said, and especially given CoH's diverse sources of such items, it need not be something as bulky as a jetpack or as conspicuous as a large bulky belt.  Heck, I see no reason why it couldn't be a serum that temporarily causes you to grow wings or something similar.  From my perspective, I wouldn't use any of these - I don't like the uncertainty of such powers running out mid-battle, so I tend to just take the fly power, but the cat's out of the bag thanks to the existing P2W jetpack, and all that's being requested is an alternative appearance.