IO Sets and Slotting for a 50+ Warshade Tri-Form

tidge · March 13

AoE Stuns that also reliably %proc are golden. Also, I desperately want some non-Negative damage in the build.

MadnessAsMuse · March 14

1 hour ago, Doomrider said:

26 second mag 3 stun on 10 targets with guaranteed KB

I can't argue with that. Awesome. I have no idea how you got all that with dmg so high, it's 14% higher than if I slot it the same way.

Plugged into Mids on my build with both Mires, my dmg with that slotting in Gravitic Emanation is 275 and my Nova Emanation is 277 with 5 Ragnarok and KB to KD. I'm OP and I'm taking suggestions on my build. Current In-Game Mids build attached.

I'm open to another respec, I've done one already with help from this thread. I'm starved for slots because I'm going for Recharge set bonuses so I don't think I could six slot Gravitic Emanation like this, or even work it into my attack chain, but I would like to see my damage as high as yours. I use Alpha Musculature, Interface Reactive and Hybrid Assault to increase damage as well, but maybe my Mires aren't adding as much +DMG as yours using Obliteration and Armagedon since I slotted those for the recharge time bonus to get perma Eclipse.

I enhanced every power with Knockback (except Nova Blast) with Sudden Acceleration KB to Knock Down because I want to keep mobs tight for tanks. If I want to stun 10 enemies at once, I stand next to them with Inky Aspec 😉

VixenOMorph_respec.mbd

Doomrider · March 14

40 minutes ago, MadnessAsMuse said:

I can't argue with that. Awesome. I have no idea how you got all that with dmg so high, it's 14% higher than if I slot it the same way.

Plugged into Mids on my build with both Mires, my dmg with that slotting in Gravitic Emanation is 275 and my Nova Emanation is 277 with 5 Ragnarok and KB to KD. I'm OP and I'm taking suggestions on my build. Current In-Game Mids build attached.

I'm open to another respec, I've done one already with help from this thread. I'm starved for slots because I'm going for Recharge set bonuses so I don't think I could six slot Gravitic Emanation like this, or even work it into my attack chain, but I would like to see my damage as high as yours. I use Alpha Musculature, Interface Reactive and Hybrid Assault to increase damage as well, but maybe my Mires aren't adding as much +DMG as yours using Obliteration and Armagedon since I slotted those for the recharge time bonus to get perma Eclipse.

I enhanced every power with Knockback (except Nova Blast) with Sudden Acceleration KB to Knock Down because I want to keep mobs tight for tanks. If I want to stun 10 enemies at once, I stand next to them with Inky Aspec 😉

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You're starved for slots because you're slotting extremely inefficiently. Not because you're going for recharge bonuses.
A few observations on your build:
- Psi res uniques like aegis are a waste. Eclipse will cap you on Psi res.
which will bring up your total resistance floor instead of just psi.
- Manuevers and Shadow Cloak on a Triform build are of arguably little value, but you've devoted a lot of slots to them.
- Gravity Well is an attack first, hold second. Essence drain when you have Dwarf Drain is a waste.
- You are already swimming in accuracy bonuses (90% according to your totals) but still slotting 2 acc in Eclipse, which are doing basically nothing for you. That 90% accuracy global your Eclipse will inherit. If you're concerned with Eclipse missing, use Dwarf Mire before firing Eclipse.
- Your single target attacks are criminally under slotted. This is of course felt more when soloing, if you team exclusively it will matter less, but your team will be carrying you hard during AV fights.
-Dark Nova Emanation has no native KB, despite allowing KB enhancements. The sudden acceleration is not converting any KB to KD, because it doesn't have any.
Replace sudden accell with Force Feedback. Many of your aoes can slot it and it can help shore up recharge bonuses by a suprising amount if you play aggresively enough.
- Inky aspect only stuns minions on its own. Its mag 2. Grav Emanation + inky will stun minions, lieutenants and bosses.
- the extra slot in Dark Nova is a waste. The to-hit from Nova only applies to that form, and like i said, you're already swimming in bonus accuracy.
- You only have mag 4 KB protection, but plenty of locations to slot BotZ. I would suggest doing so.
- Your net endurance recovery is really bad (.82/sec, assuming beast run is off) if you intend on running all those toggles.
- Assault Core is also a bad choice. It gives +dmg and we cap our damage super easy both solo and on a team. Assault Hybrid is better because it grants all attacks energy dmg procs, which still apply even at dmg cap.

Edited March 14 by Doomrider

MadnessAsMuse · March 14

This is really helpful and I'm taking notes. Thank you.

Take Aegis out of Absorption

Take slot out of Nova

KB to KD out of Nova Emanation, put in Force Feedback +Recharge

Get Assault Hybrid

Agree Essense Drain is a waste. I could take Gravitic emanation at 22.

I could put Hecatomb into Gravity Well, take the Hecatomb and slot out of Dwarf Drain then slot 5 of them into Gravity Well.

I haven't had an issue with knockback using just one BotZ, but I think Dwarf is immune to it.

My endurance recovery is really bad in human form, but it's only a problem around Sappers and their ilk. Since I spend 90% of combat in Kheld forms, I don't have any problems with endurance. It looks bad, especially with Orbiting Death on, but I always recover end faster by switching forms.

I put so many slots in Maneuvers and Shadow Cloak because I had a hard time activating Eclipse without dying in two seconds to 54 mobs. I had to do something, so it sounds overkill conisdering they do nothing 90% of the time

I copied Eclipse and Gravity Well from other builds because I don't know what I'm doing.

My single targets are low because they were second priority to AoEs and survivability. I can't defend that as a good decision, but I stick by AoEs are more important than single target.

Thanks for taking a close look at this. I can see the room to improve.

MadnessAsMuse · March 15

15 hours ago, Doomrider said:

Assault Core is also a bad choice. It gives +dmg and we cap our damage super easy both solo and on a team. Assault Hybrid is better because it grants all attacks energy dmg procs, which still apply even at dmg cap.

Ok, I'll work my way to Assault Total Radial Graft then get Assault Radial Embodiment.

15 hours ago, Doomrider said:

Maneuvers and Shadow Cloak on a Triform build are of arguably little value, but you've devoted a lot of slots to them.

This changes things quite a bit, but I can work with it. If I remove Maneuvers entirely and two slots from Shadow Cloak, I'd still have 20% def on everything.

So my new thought is to trade Maneuvers for Dark Detonation and Essense Drain for Gravitic Emanation, 4 slots each slotted like yours with the Chance for damage types and KB to KD instead of sets. They're redundant, so I'd like advice to differentiate them from my Nova powers - I slotted Absolute Amazement Stun In Gravitic Emanantion.

I don't know how I'll use these yet since I don't even use Ebon Eye as human, maybe setup a changling Macro to fire off both powers at once.

I'm sure there's still plenty of holes in this build, but I can only scratch my head for so long before I come back with what I've worked out with the advice I'm given. Thank you.

VixenOMorph_respec3.0.mbd

MadnessAsMuse · March 19

I've

On 3/13/2024 at 8:30 PM, Doomrider said:

you're slotting extremely inefficiently.

Thank you. I worked over the whole build, added Gravitic Emanation and Dark Extraction, removed Maneuvers and Essence Drain.

Removed Resistance enhancements to rely on Eclipse.

Removed Maneuvers which had 6 slots and 4 slots from Shadow Cloak and Weave, recovered 13 slots to put in my single target attacks, Dark Extraction, and Gravitic Emanation.

Removed Accuracy from Eclipse

Slotted Gravity Well for damage instead of hold

Made use of damage procs in many attacks: Ebon Eye, Gravity Well, Gravitic Emanation, Nova Blast, Nova Bolt, Nova Emanation, Dwarf Drain, as well as Force Feeback Chance for Recharge -

This comes at the price of -5.5% def all -33% resistance without Eclipse (need 5 foes instead of 4 to cap all including Toxic and Psionic). -7.5% Recharge (82.5%) before hasten and force feedback procs.

It is still endurance heavy at 2.7/s recovery and 1.75/s use, but in my play I'm in forms 80% if the time with a recovery of 2.95/s and use of only 0.25/s, so it's so little an issue I reject Endurance inspirations. End is the reason I take Orbiting Death last because it was unplayable without proper slotting, but my previous End use was 2.55/s with 2.81/s recovery, so this one is better at least.

I used Dark Extraction in a previous build so I know what to expect now. I'll chain it with Gravity Well so I don't constantly miss on despawning enemies, and I added two Defense bonuses so they might last longer than the recharge rate. Those should fix my main frustrations with the power previously.

I'm sure I'll get more use out of Gravitic Emanation than I did with Essense Drain and the pets should help me while I'm in forms whereas Maneuvers doesn't.

I'll respec once I get some feeback on this. Thank you all.

EDIT: Traded out Sunless Mire's Avalanche Knockdown Proc for Eradication Energy dmg Proc.

I'm looking at my Kheldian Enhancements in Nova Det and Dwarf Stirk/Smite. I'm sacrificing damage for recharge time set bonuses because I want perma-Eclipse with under 90 second recharge. I'm at the cap for recharge bonuses so that's as good as it gets and I'm at 127s recharge 90s duration, 98s with Hasten, 89s recharge with Force Feedback+Chance for Recharge, 74s recharge with both. I'd put another FF +Recharge in Nova Emanation because it's part of every attack chain, but missing a proc reduces the dmg math by 50 and that's per target so that's at least 4 targets so 200 less dmg per activation.

Thanks for getting me thinking about damage procs. They're all over the build so I hope I'm using them correctly.

VixenOMorph_respec3.1.mbd

Edited March 21 by MadnessAsMuse
Made changes to enhancement in Sunless Mire, asking questions about recharge time set bonuses and procs for Perma Eclipse

MadnessAsMuse · March 23

On 3/13/2024 at 8:30 PM, Doomrider said:

-Dark Nova Emanation has no native KB, despite allowing KB enhancements. The sudden acceleration is not converting any KB to KD, because it doesn't have any.

I'm going to take your word and slot Bombardment: Fire dmg Proc instead.

I've made more changes since my last post:

Shadow Recall: Changed to Kb reduction

Nova Bolt: Stayed in Ice Mistral's Torment for set acc bonus

Nova Emanation: Keeping Ragnarog for set bonus, adding Res Debuff and Fire Proc because I don't need KB to KD

Sunless Mire: Avalanche Knockdown to Energy dmg Proc

Dwarf Antagonize: The Psi Proc seemed silly and I'm doing some honest tank work, so my thought is a longer taunt would be better so I went with the Taunt IO. I don't know about this.

Gravity Well: Swapped Neg dmg Proc for Gladiator's Net: End/Rech/Hold, but does something better fit there or does the slot belong somewhere else?

Dark Extraction: Switched pet bonuses from (2) 5% Def to (2) 10% Resist. I could do half and half, 5% def and 10% Resist. All I know it they're fragile.

I wanted to those Accuracy set bonuses so I matched sets in Nova Bolt and Nova Emanation to get to 85% accuracy instead of proc'ing for theoretical damage which doesn't actualize on miss. Both still have a proc, Nova Emanation still has two (res debuff and fire dmg) and Bolt has chance for cold dmg.

I added Winter's Gift: Slow Resistance to Dwarf Step as Laucianna suggested in the Kheldian Guide thread, so I now have 8 mag knockback protection plus 20% slow and 20% TP protection.

I'm looking forward to this respec and for more input before I finalize it. Thank you all, especially Doomrider for the most recent suggestions.

3.3VixenOMorph_respec.mbd

tidge · March 23

Here is my current (somewhat fresh) Tri-form Warshade (Level 50) build. I took the powers in this order while leveling up. While leveling, I used a Kismet +ToHit in Shadow Cloak. Obviously some different enhancement pieces were used while leveling, and it is necessary to skimp on some slots.

Spoiler

Tri-Form Warshade

Primary Power Set: Umbral Blast

Secondary Power Set: Umbral Aura

Power Pool: Leaping

Power Pool: Leadership

Power Pool: Concealment

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Level 1: Ebon Eye

(A) Apocalypse - Damage: Level 50+5

(*) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage (Negative): Level 50

(*) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50

(*) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

(*) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance: Level 50+5

Level 1: Absorption

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 1: Shadow Step

(A) Jaunt - Endurance/Range: Level 50+5

Level 2: Shadow Bolt

(A) Superior Essence Transfer - Damage/RechargeTime

(*) Superior Essence Transfer - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime

(*) Superior Essence Transfer - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 4: Gravity Shield

(A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance

(*) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance

Level 6: Dark Nova

(A) To Hit Buff IO: Level 50+5

Level 6: Dark Nova Blast

(A) Superior Kheldian's Grace - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(*) Superior Kheldian's Grace - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

(*) Superior Kheldian's Grace - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 6: Dark Nova Bolt

(A) Superior Kheldian's Grace - Accuracy/Damage

(*) Superior Kheldian's Grace - Damage/Recharge

(*) Superior Kheldian's Grace - Recharge/Form Empowerment

Level 6: Dark Nova Emanation

(A) Superior Essence Transfer - Accuracy/Damage: Level 50

(*) Superior Essence Transfer - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime

(*) Superior Essence Transfer - RechargeTime/Global Heal

Level 6: Dark Nova Detonation

(A) Hami-O Nucleolus Exposure: Accuracy/Damage: Level 53

(*) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage (Lethal)

(*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage (Energy)

(*) Bombardment - Chance of Damage (Fire)

(*) Ice Mistral’s Torment - Chance of Damage (Cold)

(*) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage (Smashing)

Level 8: Starless Step

(A) Gaussian’s: %Build Up

Level 10: Sunless Mire

(A) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Armageddon - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage: Level 50

(*) Obliteration - Chance of Damage (Smashing)

(*) Eradication - Chance of Damage (Energy)

(*) Ice Mistral’s Torment - Chance of Damage (Cold)

Level 10: Shadow Recall

(A) Blessing of the Zephyr - KB Protection

Level 12: Dark Detonation

(A) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

(*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage (Energy)

(*) Bombardment - Chance of Damage (Fire)

(*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage (Energy)

(*) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage (Lethal)

(*) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage (Smashing)

Level 14: Shadow Cloak

(A) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

(*) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance: Level 50+5

(*) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 16: Penumbral Shield

(A) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance

(*) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance

(*) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance/RechargeTime

(*) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP

Level 18: Twilight Shield

(A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

(*) Gladiator's Armor - Resistance: Level 50+5

(*) Gladiator's Armor - Recharge/Endurance: Level 50+5

Level 20: Black Dwarf

(A) Resist Damage IO: Level 50+5

Level 20: Black Dwarf Antagonize

(A) Mocking Beratement - Threat/Recharge: Level 50+5

Level 20: Black Dwarf Drain

(A) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Healing

(*) Touch of the Nictus - Accuracy/Endurance/Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration

(*) Touch of the Nictus - Heal/HitPoints/Regeneration/Recharge

Level 20: Black Dwarf Mire

(A) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

(*) Eradication - Chance of Damage (Energy)

(*) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage (Lethal)

(*) Obliteration - Chance of Damage (Smashing)

(*) Ice Mistral’s Torment - Chance of Damage (Cold)

(*) Impeded Swiftness - Chance of Damage (Smashing)

Level 20: Black Dwarf Smite

(A) Hecatomb - Damage: Level 50+5

(*) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge: Level 50

(*) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage (Negative): Level 50

(*) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50

(*) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance: Level 50+5

Level 20: Black Dwarf Step

(A) Winter's Gift - Slow Resistance (20%)

Level 20: Black Dwarf Strike

(A) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage

(*) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

(*) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance

Level 22: Gravitic Emanation

(A) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Absolute Amazement - Accuracy/Stun/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Bombardment - Chance of Damage (Fire)

(*) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage (Energy)

(*) Javelin Volley - Chance of Damage (Lethal)

(*) Ice Mistral’s Torment - Chance of Damage (Cold)

Level 24: Dark Extraction

(A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge

(*) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

(*) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge

(*) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage

(*) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up

Level 26: Quasar

(A) Fury of the Gladiator - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Fury of the Gladiator - Damage/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Fury of the Gladiator - Damage/Endurance/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Chance for Knockdown/Knockback to Knockdown

Level 28: Stygian Circle

(A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

(*) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime

Level 30: Shadow Slip

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50+5

Level 32: Eclipse

(A) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge: Level 50+5

(*) Unbreakable Guard - RechargeTime/Resistance: Level 50+5

(*) Performance Shifter - Accuracy/Recharge: Level 50+5

Level 35: Stygian Return

(A) Recharge Reduction IO: Level 50+5

Level 38: Infiltration