Bosses help

[Greymistbc1]

I've just been sent to the hospital, twice, by Captain Castillo.  (The hospital is on the north edge of Faultline, and the mission is on the south edge, past the dam, for those unfamiliar.)

This is a mission I breeze through with blasters, scrappers, etc.

Now, from what I have heard, Doms (and Controllers) can be pretty great (at 50, with purple sets, etc).  But why do they have to suck so hard at this stage?

Imagine a blaster, whos _primary powers(!)_ just don't work against EBs, and only work against bosses if you hit them twice!

If you are going to suggest I pop pills, use boosts, or get a team, please feel free to restrain yourself.  My Blasters, Scrappers, Brutes, Tanks, don't need those things.  Corrupters and solo-defenders, yeah, a few pills...
But the Doms and trollers...every damn time.

 

[MoonSheep]

stack your mez powers before you attack and you’ll be fine. break line of sight whilst they recharge and you’ll reduce any incoming damage 

 

if you’re trying to tank an EB you’ll have a bad time

[Doomguide2005]

Well what AT and power sets are you?  Hard to give specific advice or suggestions beyond the generic advice you've listed in the opening post.  The varied nature of their primaries and secondaries leads to potentially many ways to go that'll work for one Dom or Troller but not the next.

 

[Saiyajinzoningen]

Some AT's are not as solo friendly as others

Doms aren't too bad solo if built and played properly

Give a shout and we'll lend a hand errr claw or pincer (do we have pincers in game?)

 

[Greymistbc1]

Elec/elec in this case.

Sniping, kiting, etc...

I can push the "I win" button by eating a yellow, red, and two purples.

I just think it's f-ing stupid that ONLY Controllers and Doms have their PRIMARY powers rendered useless in a fight.  It's not like you don't have to fight THREE EB's, one after another, in the Agent G arc.

[Greymistbc1]

6 hours ago, MoonSheep said:

stack your mez powers before you attack and you’ll be fine. break line of sight whilst they recharge and you’ll reduce any incoming damage 

 

if you’re trying to tank an EB you’ll have a bad time

"stack your mez powers before you attack"  I have no idea what this even means.  

Do I use them all?  Yes.

Do they affect the EB at all?  No.  Does waiting until PTOD is down and pop domination and throwing every power I have work?  No.

It's just dumb.

It's bad game design.

[Greymistbc1]

Third time.

Medium yellow, red, and purple.

Got every power off once, then hospital.

[MoonSheep]

with some EBs, if you cast multiple holds etc over a short period of time it’ll overwhelm their mez protection and control them

 

it’s a lot easier with domination, i’d recommend building it up during the mish and then popping it, perhaps also waiting for Purple Triangles of Doom to also be down before starting your assault

 

failing that, pop a few purples

[Greymistbc1]

I tried all that, two posts up.

Yes, I'll go in with 2-3 medium purps, and just power through... or I could ask for help... or I could auto-complete.

All of those are crappy hack band-aids on bad game design.   I could fix it with one line of code.

Why is it that all our holds are mag 3?   Hey Tankers! all your armors only work on Lt.s and below!  Hey Blasters! All your attacks automatically miss 50% of the time on bosses or above!

 

[Greymistbc1]

Nope.

4th death.

Used med yellow, red, 2xpurple

 

[Mezmera]

Dom smash!

[EnjoyTheJourney]

23 minutes ago, Mezmera said:

Dom smash!

Absolutely!

To address the stacking of magnitude (mag) from controls, with domination active most powers will apply a magnitude 6 control effect (not 3). When stacked in rapid succession mag 6 holds / confusion / stun can make an EB unable to attack, with that threshold being reached noticeably faster as long as the purple triangles are not active. Magnitude is calculated separately for each type of control, which means it's generally better to try to stack one type of control (ie: confuse, hold, or stun) and to otherwise focus on damage or EB allies with other actions. 

If you have a character with the confuse power then getting short recharge and longer confuse duration can be an "I win" button for an EB encounter because once an EB is confused beyond a certain level of magnitude and fresh applications of confuse keep that magnitude in place, then the EB will thereafter never try to damage your character or any allies or pets. At that point it's a DPS race to outpace the EB's regen and bring their hit points to zero.

The advice to use cover between applications of controls to an EB is also very good advice when trying to stack control magnitude to a level that curtails hostile EB actions. Less incoming damage while trying to disable an EB with control magnitude of one form or another will clearly be helpful. 

Edited January 8 by EnjoyTheJourney

[Mezmera]

Yeah don't play this AT like a mindless brute.  Learn how to leverage your controls and stack the mag on the bosses fast so you get them held and can keep them that way.  Moonsheep was giving you some helpful 'hey try it different than what u are used to'.  There's a lot going on under the hood but you have to pause to consider how your powers are helping you and what you can do best to maximize your potential.  

 

Most dom assaults come with a powerboosting type of buildup.  It gives you a bit of a damage boost but it also makes your controls last a great deal longer, it doesn't increase the required mag to instantly hold bosses and such, that's what being in domination is doing for you.  I would consider being able to hold a boss for double the length of time of just a normal hold to be quite great, it'll allow you that much more time to wail on your target unopposed.  Knowing what does what and how some of those power selections can benefit you is quite key.

 

You don't need an endgame dom build for it to be very effective.  Save your domination for the big fight you know is coming like was said.  I don't know what all controls you have but confuses are great and so are holds.  Getting good on a dom will make you so much better at the rest of the game.

 

 

Edited January 8 by Mezmera

[Panache]

What a difference a year makes 😏

 

 

[Panache]

On 1/7/2024 at 9:41 AM, Greymistbc1 said:

Elec/elec in this case.

Sniping, kiting, etc...

I can push the "I win" button by eating a yellow, red, and two purples.

I just think it's f-ing stupid that ONLY Controllers and Doms have their PRIMARY powers rendered useless in a fight.  It's not like you don't have to fight THREE EB's, one after another, in the Agent G arc.

A non-snarky answer that is sure to fall on deaf ears since you’d rather complain about an AT you don’t understand than actually ask for help and be open to learning something:

 

Electric Control, at that level (and we still don’t know what level that is or what difficulty you’re playing at), is probably the worst choice to solo EBs with.

 

I soloed that arc at +2 without Insps on an Illusion Dom this past weekend. It’s not the AT; it’s your choices and how you play.

[Greymistbc1]

1 hour ago, Panache said:

What a difference a year makes 😏

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Panache said:

What a difference a year makes 😏

 

 

I find it interesting that, rather than attempting to post something helpful, you actually took the time to dig that up.

Number 5 on that list should have been, 'No inspiration purchase, or 'inner inspiration', only what drops'.

THAT entire post, tbh, was more to look at the game from the aspect of running an 'Ironman' challenge.  As someone who started playing the game when it first went live, I found the endless posts about "I just made this toon and powerleveled him to 50, and now I'm spending 1 bill inf" to be very weird.

So, you are conflating that post, which was looking at where the weak spots are, to this post, where I am focusing on one of those weak spots.

Yes, I did finish the mission, solo.  I just feel it's meaningless to do so with popping pills.

 

 

[Greymistbc1]

1 hour ago, Panache said:

A non-snarky answer that is sure to fall on deaf ears since you’d rather complain about an AT you don’t understand than actually ask for help and be open to learning something:

 

Electric Control, at that level (and we still don’t know what level that is or what difficulty you’re playing at), is probably the worst choice to solo EBs with.

 

I soloed that arc at +2 without Insps on an Illusion Dom this past weekend. It’s not the AT; it’s your choices and how you play.

You make a lot of assumptions about someone you've never met or played with.

[Greymistbc1]

So for those who have tried to actually be helpful (which is the spirit that I have always loved in the CoH community)...  Thank you!

In retrospect, the first time I went in, built Domination, popped a small yellow and red, and did build-up, and missed my snipe, streakbreaker hit with my hold (which was not enough mag  to hold yet, and then missed when I attempted to interrupt the engineer next to him, and at that point it was two FF generators, a lot of misses, dead.  

On attempts 2-4, I was too annoyed to take the time to clear the area and build domination, and my snipe was not strong enough to kill the engineer, and I inevitably missed the next shot (95% t/h), so again into double FFG.  Without Dom I would get web grenaded and quickly killed.

I think I will try again in Ouroboros and see if I can actually stack enough confuse to stick... I didn't think that would work on an EB (I've used it on bosses).
(EDIT:  I _just_ got 'Synaptic Overload', so only a single slot, for accuracy, at the time of this fight, at lvl 22... it's the last power before Gremlins).

I still think my core point was valid... only Doms and Controllers have their primary power so heavily neutered against EB's and GM's.

 

Edited January 8 by Greymistbc1

[Panache]

I found that old post because I wanted to see if there was a history of 'tongue-in-cheek' threads, because this one was hard to take at face value.

 

Coming into an Archetype forum with the attitude of 'it's not me that's wrong, it's this entire archetype, and I can fix it with one line of code' isn't asking for help.

 

And yet people *did* try to help you, and yet you resisted. Someone said 'stack your mag powers before you attack', and when you said 'I have no idea what this even means', it was helpfully explained to you (even though you didn't say, 'wait, what does that mean'?, like a person who wants to learn would). And then here's your last post where you pop Domination and open with an attack rather than a mez. 

 

Looks like those 'assumptions' (whatever those might have been) were right on.

Edited January 8 by Panache

[Greymistbc1]

7 minutes ago, Panache said:

I found that old post because I wanted to see if there was a history of 'tongue-in-cheek' threads, because this one was hard to take at face value.
 

 

Coming into an Archetype forum with the attitude of 'it's not me that's wrong, it's this entire archetype, and I can fix it with one line of code' isn't asking for help.

 

And yet people *did* try to help you, and yet you resisted. Someone said 'stack your mag powers before you attack', and when you said 'I have no idea what this even means', it was helpfully explained to you (even though you didn't say, 'wait, what does that mean'?, like a person who wants to learn would). And then here's your last post where you pop Domination and open with an attack rather than a mez. 

 

Looks like those 'assumptions' (whatever those might have been) were right on.

"I found that old post because I wanted to see if there was a history of 'tongue-in-cheek' threads, because this one was hard to take at face value."

There was nothing remotely  'tongue-in-cheek' about my original post.  I was frustrated, that's all.  You were looking for an excuse to gaslight.

When I said 'I have no idea what this even means', I followed with stating exactly what I had done.  Since I was dying before I could get enough mag to stick, what @MoonSheep was suggesting made no sense to me... were they saying I should stack holds with immobilize?  Obviously I would stack multiple holds if I could.

Opening with a snipe to eliminate the engineer, with a hold following before the snipe even hits? Yes, that is the smart play.  If it hits.

You have nothing to contribute except negativity.  Seriously.  Look at what you posted in this thread.  Not a single suggestion... just you bragging about how you did it with an Illusion Dom.  

Wow. Impressive. I would have done it easily with Phantom Army as well.

 

[Panache]

Dominator Phantom Army doesn't tank, so.

 

I'm not making suggestions because you don't want help, you just want to vent. If you want to come into a forum throwing a tantrum and saying things like "this AT is bad design and I could fix it by myself", consider that you're going to get some negative feedback. 

 

Have fun out there.

[Greymistbc1]

14 minutes ago, Panache said:

Dominator Phantom Army doesn't tank, so.

 

I'm not making suggestions because you don't want help, you just want to vent. If you want to come into a forum throwing a tantrum and saying things like "this AT is bad design and I could fix it by myself", consider that you're going to get some negative feedback. 

 

Have fun out there.

Of course PA tanks.  I just loaded my ILL/EB Dom, at tossed PA into a pack of same-level Red caps.  All of them attacked the indestructible PA, and ignored me completely.
You obviously know less than you think you do about game mechanics.

Most people who want/need help are likely to be frustrated and want to vent as well as get help.  That is why they are asking for help.  And you provided none.

Here's a suggestion:  if all you are going to contribute is gaslighting, snark, and negativity, maybe keep it to yourself.
 

[Panache]

Just in case anyone wanders by and notices the bad info: Dominator PA absolutely does not tank. Yes, they’re indestructible, but they lack the taunt capabilities of the Controller version (and also do less damage).

[Greymistbc1]

26 minutes ago, Panache said:

Just in case anyone wanders by and notices the bad info: Dominator PA absolutely does not tank. Yes, they’re indestructible, but they lack the taunt capabilities of the Controller version (and also do less damage).

Ditto on the bad info.  Try it and see. I just did.  
It's called 'empirical data'.

My Dom attacked a group, which promptly agroed on me.  I summoned PA.  After one volley, the group switched to the PA and ignored me.   
I don't know what your definition of 'Tank' is, but pulling agro off of a squishy is exactly what I expect a tank to do.

Maybe safest to assume @Panache is just a troll.  He's five posts in so far, and still failed to add anything that was useful.

 

[Panache]

It's wild to want to have the last word so bad but be wrong so much.

 

Edited January 8 by Panache