Looking down the road..... TRON: Ares

[Voltor]

9 hours ago, biostem said:

One thing Tron seemed to imply was that something of the original programmer "carries over" or otherwise influences the appearance and behavior of a program, so it could be as simple as the MCP creating a backup of itself, or even possibly "rectified" another program to its own ends...

 

That was Dumont talking to Dillinger about the spirit carrying over.  As to the programs, well TRON seems to convey the impression that nearly all the programs are AI and CAN think for themselves but they still have loyalty to their user.  MCP, Sark and their army all began to think for themselves and began to disbelieve and disregard the users.   TRON however while he does think for himself is dedicated to his user and then later FLynn and is a warrior program designed to secure and protect the Grid.

[Voltor]

13 hours ago, biostem said:

This, I think, is the biggest open-ended question;  Even if we handwave that you can convert matter into energy/code that can function in/on "The Grid", why would that impart super-powers to entities brought over from one realm to the other, (even ignoring whether programs can exist in the real world or not), we saw Flynn have powers within The Grid beyond what other programs can do, but at least there, it was a universe with its own laws...

 

Well Flynn comes from another world into the Grid so his senses would be altered.  Strictly speaking though in TRON, he WAS composed of energy and had  to drink energy to recharge himself along with RAM and TRON.  As such he could divert that beam of energy from the MCP, and also absorb energy from that guard of Sark and turn red, then later shift back to blue.  Something that I don't think TRON realized could be done as we would later see that in TRON Uprising and later with TRON becoming Rinzler.

 

Yet LEGACY seems to indicate it is a different dimension that they are sent to, but still as flesh and blood given that Sam did BLEED after being cut by Rinzler in the games.  If he was energy, should he not have energy sparking from that cut?  Also he is eating would looks like real food with his Dad, which would mean that FLynn has a garden?  Thus the premise of programs getting into our world becomes more possible if it is a dimensional shift rather then matter/energy conversion.

[Voltor]

 

Also the concept of programs getting into our world........I am now flashing back to the heavily inspired by TRON tv series AUTOMAN

 

 

Perhaps ARES goes on a rampage and TRON is brought in to stop him?  One can only hope

Edited Wednesday at 02:01 AM by Voltor

[battlewraith]

On 4/7/2025 at 3:36 PM, Voltor said:

 

1. Can Quora live in our world?

 

I had assumed that she would not be able to survive indefinitely, at least not without major complications. This would have prompted Sam to reestablish the Grid and return with her to solve the issue. Then maybe Dillinger would’ve become involved as an antagonist after discovering the technological leap she represented.

 

Oh well…

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

On 4/7/2025 at 8:36 PM, Voltor said:

1. Can Quora live in our world?

IMHO, I would assume so. If not, Flynns Sr. and Jr. would not have been able to be reconstructed in the physical world after being digitised.

 

If you’re prepared to swallow that, it’s not that much of a stretch that Quorra - and then ARES - could be extrapolated from their data as humans. Whether Quorra adjusted well to the process is another matter - for example, would she have immunity from common diseases? Would she adapt well psychologically to living around humans?

As to whether or not they’d also have superpowers of some kind is “digital wizards did it” territory. But again, if you’re okay with Recognisers flying around in a way that bricks usually don’t…

[biostem]

17 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

would she have immunity from common diseases?

This is one of those areas where digging too deeply undermines a lot of suspension of disbelief.  I mean, what about her gut biome?  At least we could argue that there was some record how how things should be for the humans who traveled from the real world to the grid, but for beings born there?  Is the digitizer going to "invent" a suitable micro-biome for Quora?  Heck, even in the Fifth Element they had to take steps to acclimatize Leeloo to Earth's environment during her reconstruction...

[Voltor]

Flynn's abilities in TRON seemed to be more from being a User that was also a computer tech with training in science.  He knew a beam of energy could be deflected per the laws of science and he was able to absorb energy when he was drinking from that energy river that they found.  So he could absorb the energy of that beam from the MCP and channeled it through him to make the bridge for the solar sailer.

 

He did not have the knowledge or power to save RAM, and RAM's demise gave him extra motivation to help TRON.

 

He did seem to absorb the red energy of that guard he punched and later when TRON found him he shifted back to blue.  However when a program swears loyalty to the MCP, they get turned red.   What made this unique was that Flynn could do it on his own, likely his being held by the arm by TRON let him tap some blue energy to make the change.

 

in TRON Legacy, Flynn built the Grid, the buildings and the programs.  So he would basically have root/admin access like when he accessed the controls in the falling elevator, and when he tried to reprogram that guard, and humorously whacked it in the head to get it to comply with his orders.  He now had the knowledge and power to help injured programs and thus could save Quorra.  However he seemed to also be able to exert his will and slow down and freeze programs for when they raided the bar and saved Sam. 

 

CLU2 us a user/program hybrid AI.  He can repurpose or destroy programs, but as an AI with Flynn's knowledge up to his time of creation he wouldn't necessarily have Flynn's other talents or perhaps the understanding on how to use them.   Also he seemed unable to adapt and learn to new situations such as the arrival of the ISOs. He thought they were imperfections and thus threats to the Grid. His mandate was to create the perfect system and he sought to do that.   We later learn in the awesome TRON UPRISING Cartoon, that CLU2's attack on TRON and Flynn was more to get TRON out of the way so that he could do his ISO purge.    There are rumors that had Season 2 of Uprising happened(Disney you really screwed up by cancelling this show!), it would have been revealed that TRON being from the original Grid was going to play a factor in the plot.  Also that TRON may not have been freed by Beck from the repurposing chamber in time.....

 

CLU2 knew of TRON's capabilities since he was FLynn in a way, but since CLU2 had the ability to destroy programs and being a user/program hybrid, that likely already put him on par with TRON, and all the troops that TRON destroyed in that attack was meant to wear him down so CLU2 could take him.  At the end of Legacy, TRON's mind was returning and he was caught by surprise by CLU2 and sent to the sea where he would completely reboot and turn blue again.