Minimal FX Kheld Forms

[Greycat]

5 minutes ago, Owl Girl said:

i guess the lore really can survive players having fun then? the possibilities seem so endless now...

 

Wow. You really don't get the difference between "Here's a Halloween costume" and the rest of what's being said.

 

I'd say I'm shocked, but...

 

Neither you nor the thread are worth it any longer. Haven't been for a while, but I'd been holding out some degree of hope. Should know better by now.

 

Can probably stop working on updating the lore/backstory guides, too, since obviously nearly nobody gives a damn. (Yes. Guides. Since there are plenty of nooks and crannies with interesting... oh, wait, it's lore, you don't find it interesting.)

Edited August 15 by Greycat

[ScarySai]

You have to actually know the lore to be a lore purist,

[Aracknight]

Okay, so if it has zero gameplay impact, is it ok?  

 

We have armorless (minimal fx) armor defense options that i can turn off without changing gameplay, ice and bio spring to mind.  So if an armor power can exist without, you know, the armor appearing, why can we not have a form power without the form appearing?  

 

I understand protectiveness of lore, but if my scrapper can use boxing (or storm kick gut punch animation) to mimic radiant strike, and laser beam eyes, with the halloween costume to walk and act like a kheldian, and it has zero impact, why does this suggestion seems so harmful?

[Super Atom]

Just now, Aracknight said:

I understand protectiveness of lore,

 

 

[Greycat]

1 minute ago, Aracknight said:

Okay, so if it has zero gameplay impact, is it ok?  

 

We have armorless (minimal fx) armor defense options that i can turn off without changing gameplay, ice and bio spring to mind.  So if an armor power can exist without, you know, the armor appearing, why can we not have a form power without the form appearing?  

 

I understand protectiveness of lore, but if my scrapper can use boxing (or storm kick gut punch animation) to mimic radiant strike, and laser beam eyes, with the halloween costume to walk and act like a kheldian, and it has zero impact, why does this suggestion seems so harmful?

 

If you put on a doctor costume at halloween, do they let you walk into the hospital and start giving people drugs or do surgery?

 

A doctor is defined by their interest, years of schooling, internship, licensing and the like. A halloween costume is a halloween costume.

 

I leave the rest to the readers to ponder. Good luck.

[Aracknight]

5 minutes ago, Greycat said:

 

If you put on a doctor costume at halloween, do they let you walk into the hospital and start giving people drugs or do surgery?

 

 

I mean, they kinda do.  They get kinda mad about it but...

[Owl Girl]

10 minutes ago, Greycat said:

Can probably stop working on updating the lore/backstory guides, too, since obviously nearly nobody gives a damn. (Yes. Guides. Since there are plenty of nooks and crannies with interesting... oh, wait, it's lore, you don't find it interesting.)

there's that huffing i love so much ❤️

the lore will absolutely survive if every single player of a kheldian uses some sort of custom form change (including minimal fx ones), i promise that it won't alter any of the lines delivered by any of the npcs or even have an effect on that bible that You are writing. for all You know, all of those players will claim to be playing characters that are outliers from the rest of kheldian society or perhaps kheldians from another dimension accessed via Portal Corp!

don't forget to thumb this comment down along with the prior one that You forgot to do or i will be very cross. and as a gesture of Friendship and an assurance that everything Will Be Okay, have this emoji of a smiling face as a gift from me to You: 😃

[ScarySai]

Lore arguments without citations, and paraphrased in a way that does not contradict anything being argued against should simply be dismissed.

 

Honestly, just stop replying to these people, report them if they keep trolling and move on, they aren't worth the attention they seek.

[Super Atom]

You should have stopped taking them seriously the second they tried to push the idea it can't even be done due to power animations.

 

[Owl Girl]

yes, the lore-based arguments are hot trash. but no, i will Never give up on greycat and rudra!! (i am uncommitted on biostem as of yet)

[ScarySai]

5 minutes ago, Super Atom said:

You should have stopped taking them seriously the second they tried to push the idea it can't even be done due to power animations.

 

 

That implies I ever did. I respond purely to educate people who might read their falsehoods and think they have a leg to stand on.

 

Every time there's a kheld thread. I swear, I have no idea why someone with essentially zero credentials thinks they can gatekeep something based off lore they either haven't read, or don't understand. 

 

Nothing in the lore contradicts a kheldian flying around and blasting or punching people, it's actually quite supported, so the only real argument to be had would be a gameplay mechanic thing, and it's very difficult to argue against a cosmetic choice like this in that area.

 

The only thing of merit would be if somehow it would be difficult to do the conversion, which with how garbage this engine is, is plausible. But unless I see a dev around to confirm that, I will assume otherwise.

Edited August 15 by ScarySai

[Owl Girl]

14 minutes ago, ScarySai said:

The only thing of merit would be if somehow it would be difficult to do the conversion, which with how garbage this engine is, is plausible. But unless I see a dev around to confirm that, I will assume otherwise.

 

110%, but can You live with yourself knowing that it might prevent us from ever reading greycat's magnum opus (the kheldian bible) and all of the many guides that he's working on but withholding until we have some idea of whether or not we can get a minimal fx fix for kheldian forms? is it really worth that dreadful price??

[GM Crumpet]

This seems to have run it's course so locking