Critical Strikes +50% crit proc and Total Focus.

[Camel]

Hello, Forums

I was having a debate with my Discord folks on some particular proc-fu.

Someone told me that if you slot the +50% crit chance proc into Total Focus that it makes the power more likely to crit (auto crit, as they put it).

I was under the impression that the proc makes your next few attacks have an increased chance of critting, not the particular power you have it slotted in. Am I wrong here? Does it have a unique interaction with Total Focus and will slotting that proc into this particular power mean you get double Energy Focus more often? Or would it be better served in a power like Bonesmasher or Energy Transfer?

Thanks in advance, Forums!

[Jacke]

I think you're right, Camel.

 

When doing a Scrapper build, I look to put the Critical Strikes +50% chance to crit ATO in an attack that is followed by strong attacks.

 

Example: In a Dark Melee build with a ST attack chain

• Midnight Grasp - Smite - Siphon Life - Smite

I put that ATO in Smite.

 

 

[Camel]

I have mine slotted in Smite as well on my Dark/Shield Scrapper. While it doesn't have the best proc rate, Smite is an attack I use in between every other attack, so it does go off quite a bit. I've messed around with it in Siphon Life as well but I prefer to put healing sets in that or a decent amount of damage procs.

The reason I was confused is because they made a pretty compelling argument and they're also in a Discord channel with the Dev team and on closed Beta. So, I was starting to be convinced that it had some unique interaction with Total Focus specifically. 

I argued that they were just misinterpreting the way the proc works but was also open to the idea that it maybe did do something weird with Energy Melee having an extra component to it with Energy Focus being a thing.

[Troo]

I had a little trouble with this as well.

 

The advice I got = Do not put it in the power you want to use when Crit Strikes procs. Put it in the power before. 

With Energy Melee on Stalkers a crit in Total Focus provides two Focused Energy (2 fast ETs). If this is the same for Scrappers I would not put it in Total Focus.

(I think I got that right)

 

Anyway good luck @Camel

And here is the discussion that showed me where to place it on a scrapper:

 

Spoiler

On the Stalker, when the stars align, I like to squeeze into a Build Up window something like: Slow ET > TF > Fast ET > BS > Fast ET

 

Cast Arcanatimes

2.904 sec Slow ET

2.772 sec TF  (<--need a crit here )

1.188 sec Fast ET

1.452 sec BS

1.188 sec Fast ET

 

That's 9.504 and it is really really close

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Troo

[Camel]

47 minutes ago, Troo said:

I had a little trouble with this as well.

 

The advice I got = Do not put it in the power you want to use when Crit Strikes procs. Put it in the power before. 

With Energy Melee on Stalkers a crit in Total Focus provides two Focused Energy (2 fast ETs). If this is the same for Scrappers I would not put it in Total Focus.

(I think I got that right)

 

Anyway good luck @Camel

And here is the discussion that showed me where to place it on a scrapper:

 

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On the Stalker, when the stars align, I like to squeeze into a Build Up window something like: Slow ET > TF > Fast ET > BS > Fast ET

 

Cast Arcanatimes

2.904 sec Slow ET

2.772 sec TF

1.188 sec Fast ET

1.452 sec BS

1.188 sec Fast ET

 

That's 9.504 and it is really really close

 

Thank you! I was 99.9% certain this is how the proc worked. I slot it in powers where it should be slotted but was getting confused because some of my Discord trying to convince me otherwise lol. I kept saying putting it in Total Focus would be wasting the potential of having your next Total Focus have the increased crit chance. But then someone mentioned that it specifically had a unique interaction with Total Focus. Which is where I started getting confused... as well as them being in talks with the Dev team and being on closed Beta... So I started not trusting my own knowledge of the proc and how it works 😛

[Due Regard]

5 minutes ago, Camel said:

Thank you! I was 99.9% certain this is how the proc worked. I slot it in powers where it should be slotted but was getting confused because some of my Discord trying to convince me otherwise lol. I kept saying putting it in Total Focus would be wasting the potential of having your next Total Focus have the increased crit chance. But then someone mentioned that it specifically had a unique interaction with Total Focus. Which is where I started getting confused... as well as them being in talks with the Dev team and being on closed Beta... So I started not trusting my own knowledge of the proc and how it works 😛

Folks who say they're in Closed Beta, usually aren't... Or won't be for much longer.

[Troo]

2 hours ago, Camel said:

I was 99.9% certain this is how the proc worked.

 

yeah.. it's always possible I got it wrong and Energy Melee on scrappers is a little different than Stalkers.

[Maelwys]

7 hours ago, Camel said:

I was under the impression that the proc makes your next few attacks have an increased chance of critting, not the particular power you have it slotted in. Am I wrong here? Does it have a unique interaction with Total Focus and will slotting that proc into this particular power mean you get double Energy Focus more often? Or would it be better served in a power like Bonesmasher or Energy Transfer?

 

There is a full thread about the details just two posts up, but the short version is "no, the guy who told you otherwise was wrong".

 

The +50% Crit Proc works off PPM chance just like most other procs, so its chance to activate will depend on the base recharge rate and recharge enhancement aspect slotting of the power in which you place it. Then whenever that power is actually triggered (midway through its attack animation will be a point when its effects actually trigger, known as ATBE or Animation Time Before Effect), a timer of a little over 4.25s starts counting (3.25s+0.5s+0.5s+Arcanatime roundups). Any subsequent attacks that trigger before that timer runs out will get +50% extra Crit chance. You can often fit 2 and occasionally 3 followup attacks in there depending on their animation times and ATBEs.

 

For Energy Melee I personally put the proc in Energy Transfer, because you get more benefit from Bonesmasher and Total Focus critting than you do from from Energy Transfer itself critting.

 

 

 

Edited 23 hours ago by Maelwys

[Uun]

5 hours ago, Maelwys said:

For Energy Melee I personally put the proc in Energy Transfer, because you get more benefit from Bonesmasher and Total Focus critting than you do from from Energy Transfer itself critting.

Also, note that neither Total Focus or Energy Transfer crit for double damage. Their crits are both for about 28%.

[Maelwys]

1 hour ago, Uun said:

Also, note that neither Total Focus or Energy Transfer crit for double damage. Their crits are both for about 28%.

 

Yep, they've both got "other benefits" on a Crit in lieu of dealing full double damage. Energy Transfer heals you instead of damaging you (meh) but Total  Focus grants 2x Energy Focus buffs instead of one (meaning that you get to use 2x "Quick mode" Energy Transfers before your next TF instead of one quick and one slow; which typically results in you being able to fit in an extra "free" Bonesmasher into your attack chain).

 

So of the main primary Energy Melee attacks, IMO the one that has the least value critting is Energy Transfer. Plus it's also used pretty often in an EM Scrapper's attack chain. So it's a shoo-in for slotting the Crit Proc; and ends up providing me with regular decent opportunities for additional crit chance to kick in on 2-3 BS, a TF and a Patron Snipe.