How much -To Hit=+Defense

[Rambolazer]

Hey all, question for you guys...

Specifically when fighting AV's, How much -TOHIT would it take to equal 45% Defense?

Or could someone please just let me know AV resistance to to hit debuffs?

 

Thank yall!

[Karthunk]

-to hit debuffs are worthless on AVs.

 

Let's run some math!

 

You have a -200 to hit debuff and you are fighting a lvl 54 AV. Right off the bat your -200 to hit debuff is -100 because of the level difference of +4. Then our lovely, and balanced, AV gets to apply, his/her/I'm confused which I am, -87% resistance to the mix leaving your wildly over powered -to hit debuff at a blazing -13 to hit debuff.

 

Yeah... sad faces all around ;/

 

So... I may be wrong on the next part but let's reverse the math to find what it would take to get to 45% Defense which should be -45% to hit.

 

(x/2).13=45    x= -692% to hit debuff is all you need.

[PaxArcana]

For DeBuffs against AV's, there is a simple rule that applies:

 

Maxim 37: There is no "overkill." There is only "open fire" and "reload."

 

... meaning, "there is no such thing as enough".  The more you can pile on, the better.

[ed_anger]

-to hit debuffs are worthless on AVs.

 

if you have a league of 24 fighting an AV with a half-dozen or more -to hit debuffs applied, it's probably not worthless.

[Adeon Hawkwood]

if you have a league of 24 fighting an AV with a half-dozen or more -to hit debuffs applied, it's probably not worthless.

Let's do the math shall we?

 

Let's assume that the AV is a level 54 AV and all of the people in the league are fully slotted incarnates (so at +3 level shifts). This means that youe To Hit debuffs are at 90% effectiveness and the AV will has 87% resistance to them. Now you said a half-dozen debuffers so let's assume that all six are Dark Defenders since they have the most To Hit Debuffs. Now Darkest Night and Fearsome Stare both have a To Hit debuff of 18.75% for Defenders which becomes 29% with slotting. Now two 29% To Hit debuffs against our AV is going to debuff their To Hit by 6.79% per Defender or 40.7% with all six of them. Now that does sound good until you consider that a single Force Field Defender could give basically the same benefit on his own (23% from the targeted shields plus 15% from his bubble).

 

To Hit debuffs are great for regular content but in general AVs resist them to much for them to be that useful compared to Defense Buffs.

[PaxArcana]

[...] Now that does sound good until you consider that a single Force Field Defender could [...]

 

... be standing next to those six Dark defenders.

 

Which means, his +Defense acts multiplicatively with their -ToHit.

 

Or, alternately, the Tank/Brute keeping the AV's aggro could be using a +Defense set, in which case the /Forcefield Defender is functionally useless, because said Tank or Brute is almost certainly soft-capped, and then some, on Defense already.

[Adeon Hawkwood]

[...] Now that does sound good until you consider that a single Force Field Defender could [...]

 

... be standing next to those six Dark defenders.

 

Which means, his +Defense acts multiplicatively with their -ToHit.

Defense and To Hit are additive, not multiplicative. Once you hit the softcap of 45% or 59% then adding more of either only serves as a hedge against defense debuffs.

 

Or, alternately, the Tank/Brute keeping the AV's aggro could be using a +Defense set, in which case the /Forcefield Defender is functionally useless, because said Tank or Brute is almost certainly soft-capped, and then some, on Defense already.

And would also make the To Hit debuffs from the dark defenders equally useless. I used an FF Defender as a quick choice to illustrate the power differential between Defense Buffs and To Hit Debuffs when fighting AVs, it's not a commentary on the relative value of the different sets overall.

 

Essentially the key point is that you need a LOT of To Hit debuffs to equal the value of defense buffs when fighting AVs.

[Coyote]

Just as a note, a soloing Dark Defender can put out over 100% -ToHit when including the debuffs from Dark Servant, so it will take a significant chunk of an AV's damage. And it makes it a lot easier to effectively soft-cap Defenses when you're getting around 12-15% from your debuffs. It's certainly not as good as a defense-oriented buffer, but it is possible to get to some pretty useful numbers.

[Karthunk]

-100 is -6.5 for a lvl 54 AV