Proc Monster still a thing?

[Chrome]

I have been gone a few years and recently came back, when i left Proc monster trollers were all over the forums but i am looking for recent strategies specifically regarding a build i am enjoying a bunch.  Arsenal control/ Time Manipulation so far seems insanely awesome for my playstyle and while my initial thoughts are to slot for perma Farsight.  i am wondering if proc mosntering abilities  is still a thing and some example slotting and which ones are good for damage proc slotting in arsenal or time

[Troo]

yes

[tidge]

Controllers are still in a good spot (i.e. they don't struggle to complete 'defeat all' missions) using %damage... with one big change:

 

The high-tier AoE controls now typically use 'adaptive recharge' which makes them available much more often when hitting only a small number of targets, but somewhat ruins their %proc chances. This is only a "win" for me, as the previous inherently long recharge times made them poor candidates for %damage (as opposed to slotting those powers for set bonuses)

[Chrome]

So single target holds in arsenal and time are good for damage proccing and the placeable abilities are not is that correct? i am trying to remember and that feels right.

[Frosticus]

Yes, and flashbang. Proc that and ideally proc out an epic aoe attack.

[tidge]

1 hour ago, Frosticus said:

Yes, and flashbang. Proc that and ideally proc out an epic aoe attack.

 

This is my thinking, put to words: If I'm going to proc-slot an Epic AoE, I may as well take Force of Will and %proc Wall of Force. I can have it a lot sooner in the build and the prerequisites are useful.

[Chrome]

Thanks for your help ! made some changes to my build and this is what i have, i know its expensive and i wasnt able to get flash bang but i dont plan on dropping down in level very often .  and yes i know i could drop the stealth and tp pool and get combat jumpin with super jump for a travel power and its better in combat but my friends are reckless sometimes so i wanted the tp to save them.

 

edited posted build a few posts down from here

Edited September 30 by Chrome

[Chrome]

i have no idea how to add an actual link with mids anymore if you can read all that formatting or help me post a real link that would be  great

[Frosticus]

3 hours ago, tidge said:

 

This is my thinking, put to words: If I'm going to proc-slot an Epic AoE, I may as well take Force of Will and %proc Wall of Force. I can have it a lot sooner in the build and the prerequisites are useful.

You can do that, but I definitely don't. Wall of force is a pretty bad attack by every metric including proc rate.

 

Its best quality is the low level of availability.

[Warshades]

5 hours ago, Chrome said:

i have no idea how to add an actual link with mids anymore if you can read all that formatting or help me post a real link that would be  great

 

Where you write your message post, there's an "add files" and "other media" at the bottom. You can click add files and locate your saved mids file (usually a folder in the documents folder) or alternatively just drag the saved mids file into that area and it will upload it. Much easier to download and load a file than trying to rebuild it from text.

[Chrome]

thanks ill do that

ok this is much cleaner

 

 

 

Controller (Arsenal Control - Time Manipulation).mbd

Edited September 30 by Chrome

[tidge]

9 hours ago, Frosticus said:

You can do that, but I definitely don't. Wall of force is a pretty bad attack by every metric including proc rate.

 

I see the "bad proc rate" written a LOT (it is something like 36%) , but it is fast recharging 10 targets in a 90° arc that takes four %damage pieces, does knockdown, can slot the FF +Recharge, and the power is available for almost all game content.... available to all ATs. There is nothing wrong with waiting until the epic pools to get an AoE %damage attack, but if I feel a character needs such an attack, I want it for pretty much the whole game.

[Chrome]

fortunately the character in question is already level 47 and has already done the villain patron arc so  i wont be using that pool i put a link in and this is what i come up with 🙂 in the link what do you guys think?

[Chrome]

I had a late night inspiration and tweaked it a bit updated link below

Controller (Arsenal Control - Time Manipulation).mbd

Edited September 30 by Chrome

[Warshades]

1 hour ago, Chrome said:

I had a late night inspiration and tweaked it a bit updated link below

 

I would suggest some adjustments. You're chasing recharge bonuses a bit to much imo, Time Manipulation already offers really high recharge buff from Chrono Shift and you can take out the 5 slotted Red Fortunes to distribute those slots to your other powers more.

 

Poison Ray is an excellent power to proc, I would highly recommend the Achilles -res proc and 3-4 damage procs. Do not skip Flash Bang, it is incredibly useful and also procs very well, I would replace Time Stop with it as it doesn't really offer much.  

 

@tricon did a some good testing and breakdown of Arsenal (although it was with /trick arrow secondary). Definitely worth taking a look over 

 

I'm not the most familiar with Time Manipulation so there may be some better slotting options/choices, it was never a set that I really got into. One thing I would add is that the Panacea proc should go into Health. It needs to be in a passive/toggle power to have a chance to fire off otherwise it will only have a chance to fire when you use Chrono Shift. Preventive Medicine proc functions like a unique and doesn't have to be in a power that's used/active to fire, though still worth slotting a full 6 set for the recharge bonus if you have a good heal power. This build gets soft cap s/l/e and range defense and has Hasten and Chrono Shift perma. I don't know how often you'll actually be playing in melee/PBAoE range seeing as all of your power (except Liquid Nitrogen) have high range so YMMV on Time's Juncture, it may be a power that you could drop. I left it in the build as I didn't really see a direct improvement that wouldn't require more slots. One thing you could consider is Fold Space if you want the option to group mobs. Combat TP > Teleport Target, but you can change it back if you want it to help TP teammates. With the easy access to various Mission Transporter, Assemble Team, and Team Transporter powers, I find that Teleport Target isn't useful in most cases.

 

Regarding incarnates, I would avoid any alpha incarnates that boost recharge. They function as if you're slotting a recharge IO into powers and that will negatively impact your proc chances on procced powers. Nerve is a good option as it still offers a defense boost, boosts accuracy which will help with the highly procced powers, and increases hold duration which will benefit your procced out T2 hold power. If you're having endurance issues, you may also want to consider Vigor which will help your heals, accuracy, and end redux. 

 

Edit: looking over it, I think I missed Slowed Response in my posted build, would be worth replacing either Combat/Target TP or else Time's Juncture for it. It may also be a better power to put the Achilles' proc into as well, though others may know more about that.

 

Controller (Arsenal Control - Time Manipulation).mbd

Edited September 30 by Warshades

[Uun]

 

• Drop the Decimation %BU proc from Cryo Freeze Ray. It's a 1 PPM proc and in a power with an 8s base recharge its chance to fire is 16%. You've also got it toggled on in Mid's, which is inflating all your tohit and damage numbers.
• Sleep Grenade should be slotted with a Ranged AoE Damage set (including %dmg procs). Enhancing the sleep duration is a waste. 
• Times Juncture requires end reduction.
• Liquid Nitrogen's damage is minimal and not worth enhancing. Slot a recharge IO and/or a slow IO.
• Cloaking Device doesn't need more than 1-2 slots. Most of the defense suppresses in combat. 
• If you're going to use Teleport for travel, it needs end reduction. Slot one of the Teleport or Universal Travel end/range pieces.
• Slot Distortion Field for slow, not hold. The hold only has a 2% chance to occur every 1s. You can also slot the 2 Slow set %dmg procs for a little extra damage (they're OK, not great).
• Maneuvers doesn't need more than 3 slots.
• Don't skip Flash Bang. It's your "go to" every spawn control. 
• Tri-Cannon needs more slots for acc and dmg, but it doesn't need the resist aura (it has 80% resistance to everything out of the box). One of the best controller pets.
• Slowed Response requires accuracy. It's also a good candidate for %dmg procs.
• The Panacea +HP/+end proc shouldn't be slotted in Chrono Shift. It needs to be in an auto power or toggle.
• Drop Mace Mastery for Energy Mastery. Pairing Power Boost with Farsight is a must. It more than doubles the defense buff for the entire 120s duration and negates the need for all the extra defense you're including in the build. You could drop the Fighting pool entirely. Power Boost also buffs the heal and recovery in Chrono Shift.

[Chrome]

so this is probably my final build unless you all see something very game breaking, i understand you guys don't like my slotting in the defensive powers but i am pretty fond of getting 12.5 recharge from one power relatively cheaply at that. but i did grab energy and dropped some of the other defenses and tuned cloaking device.  swapped my alpha to vigor for accuracy healing and end reduction. i grabbed flashbang and got rid of the fighting pool entirely.  I also added some slots to the tri cannon but kept the resist aura in since 90 is better than 80 right? good for tanks anyhow :).  with power boost my defenses are great and since i got rid of fighting pool i was able to grab conserve power as well for even more endurance savings since none of my damaging attacks have any reduction.  Chrono shift is hundredths of seconds from perma and im certain +5 will push it over.

 

ill attach the build for your perusal i think its a winner but more critiques are welcome!

Controller (Arsenal Control - Time Manipulation) NEW IDEAS.mbd

[The_Traveler]

bit of a necro, but ive been playing Arsenal alot since it came out (i typically run robotic/militant characters).

 

some feedback

• liquid nitrogen and tear gas are skippable IMO.  sleep grenade, flashbang, and smoke grenade are enough for initiators.  they are available quickly.  i typically initiate with smoke or flash bang and i proc out sleep grenade.
• pick up tranquilizer instead of liquid nitrogen and enjoy the 1, 2 punch of having containment right away for 2x dmg.  i leaned into both with 5 slot ice mistrals for the boost to damage for containment and 6.5% recharge and threw in the other slow proc (cuz i read somewheres they can proc from sleep ticks? or some such)... 2 dmg procs, 6.5% recharge and higher containment seemed like a win.
• sleep grenade... as above... proc it out, no need to increase the duration. it guarantees the 1,2 punch from Tranq and Cryo proc containment and you can rip through single targets
• Temporal Selection is a neat buff for Tri-cannon 😃 (take it or leave it honestly but i find it more useful than a couple of the time powers in this setup. (time stop, time juncture)
• i like time crawl despite the skippable-ness.  its a solid debuff on AVs even though the -100% regen is on the low end, but it amps the slowed response also.  gives you more to do on the hard targets.
• Time Juncture - i always WANT to like... im just not in melee enough and tend to hang out midrange to maximize targets for heals/chrono.  you just dont have any reason to be in melee other than this power.  it should be a patch IMO
• Distortion field can be a proc bomb also... a pretty nasty one at that. (like sleep nade... you could drop energy torrent and alternate sleep nade and distortion field for AOE dmg and weave in controls or use all 3!)  ill leave you to throw in all 6 procs and see what im talkin about 😃 
• i would imagine between cryo and power blast you arent using time stop and can move those slots and power pick elsewhere (especially if you take tranquilizer, you could drop power blast also)
• this big hole i see is the lack of any -recharge resistance.  the build looks good outside of that.  (1 slot in brawl and 1 slot in teleport would net you at least 35% resistance to it)  and i would imagine with the recommendations above you could fit the fighting pool back in and 2 slot kick for another 15% and take the defensive toggles.  

food for thought... hopefully.

[The_Traveler]

forgot to post my build

 

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[Auroxis]

16 minutes ago, The_Traveler said:

forgot to post my build

 

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The #1 priority of procs for Arsenal is Flash Bang.

[Maelwys]

26 minutes ago, Auroxis said:

The #1 priority of procs for Arsenal is Flash Bang.

TBF I'd probably place it and Sleep Grenade roughly on par... but yes, both should 100% be procced up.
Though Distortion field doesn't play as nice with the hold ones IIRC - so I'd probably move a few  of those slots into Slowed Response.
 Also, Tricannon could probably do with being swapped to the Expedient Reinforcement set to cap its Resistances. Plus perhaps a Soulbound + a Perfect Zinger proc.

[The_Traveler]

6 hours ago, Maelwys said:

TBF I'd probably place it and Sleep Grenade roughly on par... but yes, both should 100% be procced up.
Though Distortion field doesn't play as nice with the hold ones IIRC - so I'd probably move a few  of those slots into Slowed Response.
 Also, Tricannon could probably do with being swapped to the Expedient Reinforcement set to cap its Resistances. Plus perhaps a Soulbound + a Perfect Zinger proc.

 

flash bang and sleep grenade are functionally 'the same'. just swap the IOs  from flashbang and Distortion field if you prefer.  slowed response doesnt get used much outside of AVs and end content.  slotting only bumps the defense debuff my a small amount unless you go heavy... Maybe a single 50+5 Accuracy. its already 'perma' so not much else to gain from it besides the extra -resist proc.  i can take it or leave it.  As far as tricannon... i usually prefer call to arms (i like the extra end and HP over 3% damage and negligible energy resist).  i dont slot the pet buff IOs for TriCannon cuz its already hardy and will have defense layered over 80% resist, and controls/heals layered over that... it seriously doesnt die.  i have definitely slotted it with Soulbound and Taunt proc before, this is a case (IMO) that i just didnt have room and didnt see anything worth the swap... and truth be told, i usually swap between Distortion field and Temporal Selection (to buff pet even more and use the slots to fill out other stuff, like Tricannon and sleep/flash procs)