Yomo Kimyata
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I think the strange thing about any increase in interest in the player base for making real money in the AH is really just raising more folks into the range where they can afford the good stuff. Converters aren't ever going away due to merit farming and with all the AE tickets flowing the rare salvage being cheap means a lot of folks will probably craft those themselves keeping prices up.
It would be nice to get causal folks out of Single Origins and into the market though. They really are missing out, even with Common IOs and lesser sets. Heck, even "collecting" the sets is fun IMNHO.
This is kind of my long-term goal. I can't make people play their alts to 50 rather than PLing them, but I can help make it easy for them to (as you stated) deck themselves out with sets of Entropic Chaos at lvl 17. Basilisk's Gaze is extremely useful, and in my opinion way underpriced, but lots of people seem to skip right past that on their way to incarnates. I doubt I'm losing money on any of the stuff I'm supplying, but I'm definitely not maximizing my margins by putting a lot of sub-50 material into the AH.
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Huh, I learned something new!
I didn't read your P2W guide, since it is a QoL service that I mostly don't use. I enjoy the leveling process, and frankly, it mostly makes an easy game too easy for me. YMMV.
Oh, but I do buy the crafting table on every alt!
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Great guide!
There are all kinds of variations, but this is a good, easy-to-follow system. Personally, my "ditch-digger" technique uses lvl 30s recipes that don't automatically convert within category to rare. This is purely to capture the Karma/Steadfast Protection/probably a few others opportunities. So I convert by common one or more times, then convert by category when I get to one I want. Also, I don't pay nearly as much for components as you do. Saving 25-50k+ on one craft isn't a lot of money, but when you do it thousands of times it adds up.
This is a good guide to inform people about how to produce valuable resources easily. How they monetize it is another issue. As AboveTheChemist notes, selling is more of an art than a science. And there is a big difference between selling it dear or selling it now. One of my maxims is BUYING IS EASY; SELLING IS HARD.
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You can start earning millions before you've even killed a single enemy
Technically, since you have to have a listing fee, you have to kill SOMETHING. Unless there is another way I'm unaware of.
Get the all the badges in Atlas Park and you’ll get 5 merits. Go to the merit vender and buy 15 enh convs and hit the AH. Boom 1.2-1.5 million inf. Without hitting a thing.
But you need some inf for the posting fee. You simply cannot sell anything on the AH without 1 inf.
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You can start earning millions before you've even killed a single enemy
Technically, since you have to have a listing fee, you have to kill SOMETHING. Unless there is another way I'm unaware of.
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Yes it works, but aesthetically it really bugs me. :P
This. To the point that I’m replacing the non attuned ones
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I should know this, but I don't.
If you put the Performance Shifter proc into an offensive power, what does it do when it activates?
Going off memory, but I think it is a 1.5PPM proc, so it would work like any other PPM proc. Based on recharge of the power and the type of power it is, there is a probability of proc that can be calculated, and that probability is applied to every target it hits. If you have a power in mind, I can give you an idea of the probability.
So it has a chance to provide +end to the mobs it hits? Or to you? Or something else?
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I should know this, but I don't.
If you put the Performance Shifter proc into an offensive power, what does it do when it activates?
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I've got one toon, my main lvl 50 with ~120 million invested in him, some expensive one offs but mostly lesser sets that still deliver buffs I'm looking for, with a little frankenslotting. He doesn't have a single offensive set yet, except 6 slotted taunt (I can't remember which one). I spent too much because I was often impatient during market surges were happening and I didn't understand how to convert stuff. If I were clever and patient I could have done it for a lot less (especially wasting a lot on unslotting and attuning them manually and all the stuff I dumped on the market rather than converting it to sets I could actually use).
About 20-30 million in common IOs across another 10 alts. This is getting a lot less expensive since my main toon crafts all the 25s and 30s IO for reduce prices... it is a SUCKY PAIN IN THE @$% to mail them all to myself, but whatever.
I've probably blown another 10 million on SOs for characters I was experimenting with and then largely abandoned.
And last I checked I had about 60 million in cash and about 500 merits floating around.
So, forgetting the merits, I've seen about 200 million in my hands and frankly I feel poor. I mean, my wife thinks it is awesome that I can drop whatever cash on a new alt at 22 and 27 to basically suit them up for the rest of the game if I still want to play them. And it is nice to occasionally send my son a "set" of something fun in the mail for a gift. But whenever I see something I want for 2-5 million per IO in a set I want at least 4 of 6 in... man... I get penny pinching fast. I'm really protective of that 60 million I'm sitting on right now. I don't feel like I can spend it even though I have it. Too close to real life!
(Sure I'd love to take one of my mid range blaster-alts and put Entropic Chaos on five attacks. Right now that would wipe half my fund assuming there were enough on the market to not spike the price.)
Something in-between...
Thankly, I wish there was another tier of wealth in this game that was obtainable without market shenanigans. I've tried several of the techniques folks have posted about on the boards, but my profit margins always turn out way below theirs and I've even had some sessions where I flat out lost money. I remember burning through so many converters one session I went briefly broke and ended up having to sell the lesser crap that fate had handed to me just to have operating funds.
The thing that has made me the most money? Saved me from poverty when the market thrust it upon me? Burning through as many MSRs as the server would support for a few days. I think I was on three or four per day for several days in a row once. All with the XP turned off (because I NEVER see the Vmerits other people claim to get during MSRs.. I'm always around 800 and other folks always talk about 1400 or so) I could make just over 10 million in cash for each run.
It would be nice to "shop" in the market rather than "beg bid" in a hope to get lucky. It would be nice to sell stuff for what I see stuff selling for rather than always 60-70% of that (even after letting the stuff sit over a weekend on the market).
The good news...
The good news is anyone with a 35+ level toon can do all sorts of content that gets INF flowing while still enjoying playing the game. It isn't hard to spend one night a week burning through some of the shorter TFs or some Ouroborus options at grabbing a few merits to supplement that. Anyone who plays the game regularly can outfit their toons with common IOs of their choice on as many toons as they'd like and maybe pick up a cool set or two along the way if they are patent just because they like it.
But then there is a huge gap between covering all your playing costs and tricking out a toon even with uncommon mid-range sets, not even talking about rares and purples.
Someone will say that at the very least I can turn that 60 million into 300 million in just a few days probably buying up crap IO recipes and converting them and selling them. But I've tried and never see the sorts of returns others have seen. As i've said, I've even had a few sessions of losing money doing that.
I suppose this is a rant...
I don't mean it to be. But I feel like I've missed out on something. I feel like a strong-regular-dedicated player. When I look at my post count on the boards I'm not in the PK range, but I'm here. I feel like I'm on as much as the folks in some of the supergroups I've tried out, but the mid-to-big money continues to elude me. I do wonder what all the 2 billion plus hordes of stuff stashed in base storage type folks are going to do with themselves next month. If there are people out there already spreading a 10 billion INF fortune across several toons to avoid the cap... that's mind-blowing.
JusticeBowler, I promise you that you haven't missed out on something. I understand that lots of people choose to NOT be in the market, but there is no reason to not be making money if you want to.
A lot of it is practice, and doing it over and over again. It's really, really hard to make 5mm profit on a conversion trade, but it's really easy to make 500k profit on ten trades.
I suggest you try it again, but keep your sights modest. Get 10 recipes, 100 converters (you probably won't need that many). Call it a 15mm investment. Roll those ten until you get something you can sell in the market for over 1mm. You might end up with 10 Miracle procs and sell for 50mm before fees. Chances are you'll end up with some less savory items, but chances are very good you will end up with well over 20mm before fees. As you do it more and more, you will learn tips and niches, and it will get easier and easier. I guarantee* it.
* not an actual guarantee
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Frankly, there is no real reason that anything in the LotG complex should be trading for significantly less than 2mm short of the highest selling component. That goes for any set.
Edit: I just broke one of my cardinal rules: NEVER FORGET THE VIG. Replace “2mm” with “2mm plus fees”.
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any predictions on what if anything will happen to prices from there on out.
There's still going to be a very liquid market for converters. It's currently (apparently) the best way to monetize your merits, with 100 merits getting you 25-30mm pre-vig. It's also a great value multiplier for crafters/converters (I estimate that each converter adds 3-10x its value.)
But I'd say that there are better sellers than buyers. I generally get my bids filled in the 85k-95k range depending on how quickly I want them. And I think I could probably buy all I wanted NAO at 100k. And I want a LOT.
So if you wiped out the bidders, I'd be right back in there, but probably at a little lower level and I'd see if I got filled. So my prediction would be that the market would remain large and liquid but maybe at slightly lower prices.
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I fully support your ambition.
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*you can easily earn between 10K and 50K selling a single LARGE inspy. And if you do Outbreak Tutorial, there's 2 right off the bat, and if you take Inner Inspiration from the P2W vendor, you can more more inspy's that will always be medium (not worth selling, but totally worth using) and large ones...You can easily generate 300K inf by level 20
I cannot reiterate this enough. You have (usually) at least 10k of seed capital fresh out of Outbreak. Use that to:
1. Buy unwanted recipes from the AH and sell them to vendors. Buy them at lvl 50 since vendors pay based on level.
2. Buy unwanted enhancements, especially SOs and sell them to vendors. A lot of people would rather put them on the AH for essentially free.
3. Trade common salvage. I do this with all new alts and generally have my first million in less than 10 minutes while running missions.
That’s not even touching the crafting and converting strategies covered in the Market sub forum.
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When I was a teenager, I went on a class trip to Trance. One day in Paris, we were running behind schedule. “Welcome to the Louvre,” our guide said. “The world’s largest museum. Over a million works of art.”
He checked his watch. “Meet me back here in 15 minutes. I ran and in 15 minutes saw the Mona Lisa, Winged Victory and Venus de Milo. Then we have to leave.
A few years ago, we went back to Paris and spend six hours in the Louvre.
I can imagine going to the Louvre so many times that I would want to break my 15 minute speed run, but I’m pretty sure that by that point I’d probably just stop going to the museum.
Anyway, play how you want. If it’s not adversely affecting others, have at it.
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I think that the person who had 500mm-1bn in liquid inf would consider themselves wealthy -- I think that's enough to outfit one or two high end 50s at buy-it-now prices, and I'm going to guess that level of wealth is around the median of the Homecoming population. And I think most people spend it as it comes.
I think that 5-10bn puts you in the top 1%.
I think that "a lot" of wealth would be 50+bn, partly because I think it is feasible that someone has been able to amass that much. I've cleared over a billion in profit in a day before, and I think it is repeatable, but things really need to work out (i.e., buyers need to come out in droves). But it would be a lot of tiresome micromanagement to keep up that pace and stay ahead of the other sellers.
I usually keep about 100-250mm on each alt for posting fees and working capital, on about 35 alts. Everything else is tied up in bids. I'm really not sure what the total would be if I took down all my bids.
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I'm not going to claim I'm any sort of altruist, but I think for the most part the market mechanism keeps my behavior in line with norms. I tend to keep to three basic rules:
1. Have fun
2. Make inf
3. Don't cause any harm
I craft shovels and picks for the spines/fire farmers. I make inf, they get their tools, we all have fun.
I make markets, and am often the highest outstanding bidder and the lowest outstanding offer. I provide liquidity, people can buy it now or sell it now, I make inf, we all have fun.
What I do not do is manipulate markets or "paint the tape" in order to influence others. First, it's kind of a dick move, and second, it's not easy to make inf that way.
What I do NOT do is pay a fair price for everything I bid for. I get happiest when I realize that I can throw a bunch of lowball bids out there because someone is wrongfully assuming that the highest outstanding bid is a good one. I actually view that as providing a valuable lesson: NEVER OFFER AT A PRICE LESS THAN YOU ARE WILLING TO SELL AT. You can have 1,000 alts per server, and each alt has 100+ market slots. Market slots are cheap (unlike Live) so use them to offer your goods at an acceptable level. How quickly they sell is up to you and the vagaries of the market. If you offer at 1 inf, be prepared to sell at 1 inf.
Oh yeah, I also always post Crushing Impacts and Thunderstrikes for sale, even if I would make more inf by rerolling them. I figure they are useful to someone.
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As time goes by, I think we will see more of these shenanigans. If you have a lot a LOT of inf and have purpled out your mains, what are you gonna spend your influence on?
I’ve often wondered if I could earn enough inf to buy out the cap in the common salvage market just to see what would happen. The devs would probably add another 20mm, but it would be fun to try!
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Uncommon To Hit Debuff, Defense Debuff, Knockback, Fear, Sleep, and Disorient almost always convert to Rare when converted to the same type. Then you can just convert that Rare to something else. It's by far the easiest method I've done for getting Rares.
On a personal level, I don't use those sets in my builds often so I will usually have stockpiles of those for easy conversion.
Keep in mind there are some very profitable uncommons. Steadfast Protection I’m looking right at you.
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It'll never last. Too easy to generate more from other LoTG and other defense IOs.
Now, it would be REALLY diabolical if s/he bought up every defense IO recipe and enhancement and reposted at 5mm inf higher.
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Other than Adamastor and badges, there was no reason to go there. Except the cool factor. (Do you remember the issue they forgot the fog? You could see the city; and it was dull.)
I distinctly remember street sweeping with my ice/fire tank in Live for alchemical silver. Along with luck charms, that was a manipulated market, and I seem to recall having made a lot of inf just hitting the bid.
Haven't been to the new one yet, but I'm looking forward to it!
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It hurts me to not see Crowd Control in there. I would respec out of Pulverize for it.
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And the best part? You have a completed build to do it with. Certainly if you exempt down you will not have access to all of your powers, but there is no arguing that I'm still in better shape as a completed level 50 exempted down to run a Moonfire Task Force, than a level 25 character running the same TF. I have more slots, I have a more complete build, and if I've used any attuned IOs of any sort at all in my build (including purples or PvP IOs) then there's really no contest, the level 25 can't match me.
Best of all, if I want to do actual level 50 content, I can. I can join hami raids, Apex/Tin Mage, incarnate TFs -- whatever. But in fact I do run a lot of lower and mid-level TFs with my friends, and it doesn't matter that I'm level 50.
I don't know, maybe some people refuse to ever exempt down and don't see the point of doing a Hess TF once they've already done it. But the idea that there's little to do at 50 always strikes me as a very stupid statement -- there's EVERYTHING to do at 50. That's what makes this game so great. ^_^
Firstly and most importantly, I think that it is great that we have different opinions on this, and yet, we both get so much out of this game. I had really mixed feelings when CoX re-emerged, but so far it really appeals to a wide variety of people for a wide variety of reasons. And that is really wonderful and inspiring.
I have a very different play style than you. I'm limited for a number of reasons to the amount of continuous time I am able to log on, so I rarely am able to team for extended periods of time. I've been on one TF so far on Homecoming. I've got about 40 alts from lvls 5-45, and the only reason I don't currently have a 50 is that I turned off xp so that I could see what AVs I can solo when I come to them.
I left Live around the time they were instituting the incarnate system, so I will be the first to admit that I don't really know what I'm talking about. But it seems to me that this game is easy. Really easy. Part of that is figuring out what tips and tricks you need to do in order to become better, but part of it just feels too simple. Sometimes you'll be on a steamroll mission and it's so easy it's like playing chess with a 5 y/o and every piece is a queen. I don't recall in Live ever failing on a TF, regardless of whatever team make-up was (although I admit I don't think I ever ran any Master of ... TFs).
I get it that some people really like it that way. And that's cool. Personally, I like to test myself. To play sub-optimal or even foolish build combinations because it meets my character concept. And does that handicap me? Not really, because even if I face-plant a hundred times, that hundred-and-first time I'm probably going to pull it off.
For me, part of that is building my character going forward organically. I wrestle with power selection and slot placement, and every single time that I ding, it's a mental challenge to do the best I can.
So, not having any recent personal experience with having a fully incarnated toon put together, I can only imagine that it makes the game even easier. I seem to recall the iTrials are really hard and require those extra powers, but I can't imagine taking that 50+++ into Oro and going back and ganking Atta. To me, that seems like it would just be too easy.
I also really, really like a lot of the content. Don't get me wrong, CoT and Oreganobana can suck a bag of #!@#, but every single time I bust the Freakshow arms deal and meet a Mysterious Soldier, I get goose bumps. Who can it be?
Maybe I'll care less and less about that as I level 50 or 100 alts, but for the time being, this really works for me.
Anyhoo, I'm really happy that we each enjoy this game in our own way!
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I've been putting my money where my mouth is and have been winding down some of my more profitable crafting niches. If I'm wrong, then I have opportunities to look forward to in August!
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Oddly, I feel that over the long term the inf supply is going to go up (*) and drive prices up.
Well time will tell but I think if we do see inflation it will be pretty slow. The thing to keep in mind is that the market itself is a pretty large inf sink so for every 1 million inf farmed you get a maximum of 10 million worth of market purchases. So in general the market will tend to stabilize at a point where the amount of inf it's sucking out of the economy is about equal to the amount coming in.
Now over time we'll potentially get more people farming and becoming more efficient at farming so we might see some inflation from that but I think it will be relatively slow. If you think back to the market behavior on live, prices were in general reasonably stable, large jumps in prices tended to be associated with the devs making changes to the game (such as AE, introducing alignment merits, or fixing the Hamidon slotting bug) rather than a gradual inflation.
+1 inf for showing proper knowledge of the multiplier effect. 1mm farmed means you can spend it in the market. The person you spent it on can spend 900,000 inf on someone else in the market, who can spend 810,000, etc., summing up to 10mm potentially added to the economy.
The question remains, however, if inf aggregation will be faster, slower, or the same as item aggregation, i.e., drops. I dunno. Gaining 1mm inf on a 50 is trivial. Does that 50 also pick up 10mm worth of items in the same run? I'm starting to think that there is going to be so much inf around, but very little demand for anything but the very best items.
Sister Psyche's Oro arc for stalkers... 50 Merits an hour.
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I’m not a merit hunter by nature, but being able to solo a TF is a game changer. Was that ever enabled in Live or is this just a Homecoming thing?