Next Iteration of my Nature Experiments. Demons/Nature

SmalltalkJava · September 23, 2019

Now that I have my Beast/Nature in a place where I like it. I have set my sights on Demons/Nature. I'm just starting the process but I've settled on a few initial builds. But as with my Beast/Nature getting Recharge was the first goal. Then filling in any extras that I could get.

Build 1. Almost direct port of my beast/nature. The overall purpose of this build will be to give me an estimate of how damage from Demons and Beasts relate to each other. Granted I can't slot them exactly the same, but i can get pretty close. I still have some refining to do in regards to the attack slotting. I also might drop corruption and pick up Crack Whip for an extra ability to use Force Feedback proc in.

Overgrowth Recharge: 65.23 Seconds, without Force Feedback procing 🙂

Wild Bastion Recharge: 65.08 Seconds 🙂

Knockback resist is just 4. so its a little lower than what I prefer. But it matches my beast build that doesn't have hover.

Def

S/L 35.6
Energy: 28.4

Resists with the 2 Demon Shields active and Wild Growth.

S/L 35.9
Fire/Toxic: 46.7
Cold 36.2
Rest are just 14.2

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Demons Nature Stuff: Level 50 Science Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Demon Summoning
Secondary Power Set: Nature Affinity
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Summon Demonlings
(A) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Endurance/Pet +Resist +Regen
(3) Soulbound Allegiance - Damage
(5) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(5) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up
(7) Edict of the Master - Defense Bonus

Level 1: Corrosive Enzymes
(A) Accuracy IO

Level 2: Regrowth
(A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
(7) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge
(9) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(9) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(11) Panacea - Heal

Level 4: Wild Growth
(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
(13) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
(15) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/Endurance
(15) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP
(17) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 6: Enchant Demon
(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 8: Corruption
(A) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)
(17) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(19) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(19) Apocalypse - Accuracy/Recharge
(21) Apocalypse - Damage
(21) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 10: Lash
(A) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage
(23) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance
(23) Crushing Impact - Damage/Recharge
(25) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(25) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(27) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 12: Summon Demons
(A) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(27) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Damage
(29) Call to Arms - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(29) Call to Arms - Damage/Endurance
(31) Call to Arms - Accuracy/Damage
(31) Call to Arms - Defense Bonus Aura for Pets

Level 14: Spore Cloud
(A) Dark Watcher's Despair - To Hit Debuff/Endurance

Level 16: Lifegiving Spores
(A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
(31) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
(33) Panacea - Hea/Recharge
(33) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(33) Panacea - Heal

Level 18: Hell on Earth
(A) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(34) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(34) Soulbound Allegiance - Accuracy/Recharge

Level 20: Wild Bastion
(A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
(34) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
(36) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
(36) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
(36) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
(37) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

Level 22: Maneuvers
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(37) Red Fortune - Defense
(37) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(39) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
(39) Red Fortune - Endurance
(39) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 24: Hasten
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(40) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 26: Summon Demon Prince
(A) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Damage/Endurance
(40) Superior Mark of Supremacy - Accuracy/Endurance
(40) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage
(42) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(42) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance
(42) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura

Level 28: Combat Jumping
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 30: Tactics
(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
(43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff
(43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge/Endurance
(43) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Recharge
(45) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Recharge/Endurance
(45) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - To Hit Buff/Endurance

Level 32: Abyssal Empowerment
(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 35: Entangling Aura
(A) Superior Entomb - Recharge/Chance for +Absorb
(45) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold
(46) Superior Entomb - Hold/Recharge
(46) Superior Entomb - Accuracy/Hold/Endurance
(46) Lockdown - Chance for +2 Mag Hold

Level 38: Overgrowth
(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(48) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 41: Scorpion Shield
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(48) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(48) Red Fortune - Defense
(50) Red Fortune - Defense/Recharge
(50) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(50) Red Fortune - Endurance

Level 44: Assault
(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 47: Power Boost
(A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 49: Vengeance
(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 1: Brawl
(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash
(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide
(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick
(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush
(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge
(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint
(A) Run Speed IO

Level 1: Supremacy
Level 2: Rest
(A) Empty

Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift
(A) Run Speed IO

Level 2: Health
(A) Miracle - +Recovery
(11) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 2: Hurdle
(A) Jumping IO

Level 2: Stamina
(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(13) Performance Shifter - EndMod

Level 0: Ember Shield Owner
Level 0: Ember Shield
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Build 2. I just noticed that I over-wrote a Provoke build that I was working on. So I will have to start over theory crafting it. It was based on a Beast/Nature build that @AurianArchive posted in his archive thread. It didn't have Regrowth, but it has Provoke and the Resists when ported to Demons were absolutely insane. What I was trying to do was to play with the Resists slotting a bit to lower them a smidge, because with Demons it was way over capped resists for S/L and a few others. I also was trying see what I could do with the concept and get the recharge up a bit more. I like my Overgrowth recharge to be sub 70 second range. In his builds he uses the incarnate to increase recharge.

ParaBruce · September 24, 2019

Oh neat! Going to be following this with great curiosity.

SmalltalkJava · September 25, 2019

Hmm. Not what I was expecting. So far the Demons kill time is way way longer than what Beasts was doing. About twice as long. As a matter of fact, I went over my build 3 times to see if i slotted something wrong. I'm talking in the 4 minute range as compared to beasts 2:20 to 2:30ish range. And this is pretty much the exact same build as what I was running on my Beast/Nature. About the only actual difference I can see is the -Res proc in the T1 Beasts. But I was expecting the inhereint -res in Demons to make up for that. I will do some tests with an Impeded Swiftness proc to see if that help.

I'm really surprised. I was expecting Demons to faster than Beasts or at least close.

- edit- with impeded swiftness proc I got a 2:50 kill and a 2:44 kill. Still 😞 not that impressive.

One of the problems, with Demons/Nature is that the demons tend to stay in range mode. So it is difficult to get them all in pbaoe buff range. I have to manually relocate them with the "goto" command. Then when I do they will get knocked back and I have to do it all over again. They appear to get knocked back more often and take longer to recover than beasts. So not really that good of synergy, at least for pylons.

Edited September 25, 2019 by SmalltalkJava

Tater Todd · September 25, 2019

29 minutes ago, SmalltalkJava said:

Hmm. Not what I was expecting. So far the Demons kill time is way way longer than what Beasts was doing. About twice as long. As a matter of fact, I went over my build 3 times to see if i slotted something wrong. I'm talking in the 4 minute range as compared to beasts 2:20 to 2:30ish range. And this is pretty much the exact same build as what I was running on my Beast/Nature. About the only actual difference I can see is the -Res proc in the T1 Beasts. But I was expecting the inhereint -res in Demons to make up for that. I will do some tests with an Impeded Swiftness proc to see if that help.

I'm really surprised. I was expecting Demons to faster than Beasts or at least close.

Maybe Beasts kill faster as an offset? Like a high risk-High Reward Scenario?

From what I've been told Demons are a good middle ground and they have a lot of variety and they are safe. I'm going by word of mouth mind you so take what I said with a grain of salt.

SmalltalkJava · September 25, 2019

Well, After messing around a bit. Demons definitely kill groups of mobs faster than beasts. the portal PI mission, the demons just rock it. at +3x8. I haven't bumped it to +4 because i'm not level shifted yet. The demons shred them.

I did a few more Pylons where i made sure that the demons were grouped for the buffs. I fired Hell on Earth near the beginning. Pretty consistent times.

2:50
2:44
2:47

My prior runs 2 runs of 2:44 and 2:50. Funny that two times matched. I guess probability would show that it would occur. The times are pretty tight and you would get duplicate times in such a short finish range.

So given this particular build and the port over.

Demons are a little slower for single target, but better for close range AOE when looking at my test runs on the PI groups.

For this build the Power Boosted Absorb granted is 680.7 HP to myself and the pets.

Unboosted: 511 HP

Build as played: