TW/Bio Scrapper or Brute?

[Cheapshot]

Was curious if TW/Bio was a better set on Scrappers or Brutes? What's the general consensus? Are there pros and cons to both, or does one outshine the other?

[nihilii]

It is so much better on scrappers.

About the only argument one can make for a brute is using the 90% res cap.

 

But TW/bio scrappers get:

- vastly superior DPS and burst damage. The nature of Momentum works perfectly with the scrapper ATOs and Gaussian in Build Up on a high base damage scale.

- decent aggro control. This is worth mentioning because most scrapper secondaries do not get aggro control. So usually this can be a reason to go brute over scrapper. No such reason here.

- Shadow Meld patching the /bio defense/DDR hole perfectly.
- more of a bonus from /bio offensive mode, both absolute (scrapper base damage is higher) and relative (scrappers aren't balanced around Fury)

The brute will still be an incredibly potent character, thanks to both TW and bio being crazy strong to start with. But a properly built TW/bio scrapper lives on another planet.

[Cheapshot]

Wow! Thanks for your input! Are there standard builds for TW/Bio or do they vary?

[subbacultchas]

Scrapper on this one, without a doubt. I made one about 7 months back on a whim, not knowing they were pretty overpowered. Now I get it though, it clears content like nothing else and if you get used to the click powers you'll rarely if ever go down. 

I think brutes are a solid choice, but depend on keeping fury at relatively high levels to get the damage bonus. Unfortunately with TW, the momentum shifts may make that a bit harder to sustain, although I haven't tried this. With scrappers that is not an issue, where bio performs great out the the door and keeps it going.

[subbacultchas]

Also while Shadow Meld is great, I went the route of sets to get a little more solid defense, and took Tornado from the epics pool. It has high damage, is up very often, and works really well with some -res procs in it to further your shredding ability. I think either route would be a solid way to go, since Shadow Meld is usually taken with the dark snipe too.

[r0y]

The build I currently use is this one:

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Amiri-expensive: Level 50 Natural Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Titan Weapons
Secondary Power Set: Bio Armor
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Defensive Sweep -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Hardened Carapace -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(48), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(48), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(48)
Level 2: Crushing Blow -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(5), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(5), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Mk'Bit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46), AchHee-ResDeb%(46)
Level 4: Combat Jumping -- Ksm-ToHit+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(9), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(50)
Level 6: Environmental Modification -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(7), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(7), Rct-Def/Rchg(11), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(11), Rct-ResDam%(45)
Level 8: Build Momentum -- AdjTrg-Rchg(A), AdjTrg-ToHit/Rchg(9)
Level 10: Adaptation 
Level 12: Titan Sweep -- SprAvl-Acc/Dmg(A), SprAvl-Dmg/EndRdx(13), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), SprAvl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), SprAvl-Rchg/KDProc(43)
Level 14: Super Jump -- WntGif-ResSlow(A)
Level 16: Ablative Carapace -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(17), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg(42), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(43), Prv-Absorb%(43)
Level 18: Rend Armor -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(19), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(19), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(21), AchHee-ResDeb%(42)
Level 20: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 22: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(23), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(23), UnbGrd-Max HP%(40)
Level 24: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(25), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(25)
Level 26: Whirling Smash -- SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprCrtStr-Dmg/Rchg(27), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), SprCrtStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprCrtStr-Rchg/+50% Crit(37)
Level 28: DNA Siphon -- TchoftheN-Acc/Heal(A), TchoftheN-%Dam(29), Erd-%Dam(29), ScrDrv-Dam%(31), Obl-%Dam(31)
Level 30: Evolving Armor -- GldArm-End/Res(A), GldArm-3defTpProc(31), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(45)
Level 32: Arc of Destruction -- OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg(A), OvrFrc-Dam/KB(33), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End(33), OvrFrc-Dmg/End/Rech(33), OvrFrc-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(34), Arm-Dam%(34)
Level 35: Inexhaustible -- Pnc-Heal/EndRedux(A), Pnc-Heal/Rchg(36), Pnc-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg(36), Pnc-Heal(36), Pnc-Heal/+End(37)
Level 38: Follow Through -- SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprScrStr-Dmg/Rchg(39), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), SprScrStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), SprScrStr-Rchg/+Crit(40)
Level 41: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 44: Genetic Contamination -- FuroftheG-Dam/End/Rech(A), FuroftheG-Acc/End/Rech(45), FuroftheG-Acc/Dmg/End/Rech(50), FuroftheG-ResDeb%(50)
Level 47: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 49: Parasitic Aura -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run 
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(3)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(3)
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But I don't play it that often... Bio can be hard, because it wants so many slots in so many powers...

[ThrillMill]

Just an FYI; The Dev Team is "looking" at TW/Bio Scrappers and that usually translates to an incoming nerf. Hope I'm wrong but it is what it is. 

[PainX]

this is what i run currently but i honestly have been thinking of just giving up on the toon it just does not play very good on teams compared to my fire/shield he can smack a pylon pretty fast but i dont really consider that gameplay also talks of a nerf which im sure they will mess up since the set is not with out problems but in reality fixing them will require changing animation times etc. tall task

 

Hero Plan by Mids' Reborn : Hero Designer 2.6.1.25
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Level 50 Magic Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Titan Weapons
Secondary Power Set: Bio Armor
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Leviathan Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Crushing Blow -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(3), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(3), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5)
Level 1: Hardened Carapace -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), UnbGrd-Max HP%(7), UnbGrd-ResDam(9), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(9), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(11)
Level 2: Inexhaustible -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 4: Environmental Modification -- ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(A), Rct-ResDam%(5), LucoftheG-Def(13), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(13), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(37)
Level 6: Follow Through -- Hct-Dmg/Rchg(A), TchofDth-Dam%(7), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(15), Hct-Acc/Rchg(15), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx(17), Hct-Dam%(17)
Level 8: Build Momentum -- GssSynFr--Build%(A), RctRtc-ToHit/Rchg(11), RctRtc-ToHit(19)
Level 10: Adaptation
Level 12: Boxing -- KntCmb-Acc/Dmg(A), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx(21), KntCmb-Dmg/Rchg(23), KntCmb-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23)
Level 14: Tough -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), RctArm-ResDam(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(25), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(27), RctArm-EndRdx(27)
Level 16: Ablative Carapace -- Prv-Absorb%(A), Prv-Heal/Rchg(19), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(21), Prv-Heal(29), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(40), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 18: Rend Armor -- SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg(A), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx(31), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(33), SprBlsCol-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), SprBlsCol-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg(33), AchHee-ResDeb%(34)
Level 20: Evolving Armor -- RctArm-ResDam(A), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx(34), RctArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(34), RctArm-ResDam/Rchg(36)
Level 22: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(48), LucoftheG-Def(50)
Level 24: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 26: Whirling Smash -- Arm-Dmg/Rchg(A), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Arm-Acc/Rchg(39), Arm-Dmg/EndRdx(39), Arm-Dam%(39), FrcFdb-Rechg%(50)
Level 28: DNA Siphon -- SprScrStr-Dmg/Rchg(A), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(29), SprScrStr-Rchg/+Crit(31), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(31), NmnCnv-Heal(40)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(42)
Level 32: Arc of Destruction -- SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprCrtStr-Rchg/+50% Crit(36), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), SprCrtStr-Dmg/Rchg(43), SprCrtStr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), SprCrtStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43)
Level 35: Genetic Contamination -- SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg(A), SprScrStr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), SprScrStr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 38: Water Spout -- PstBls-Acc/Dmg(A), PstBls-Dmg/EndRdx(42), PstBls-Dmg/Rchg(45), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46), PstBls-Dam%(46), Ann-ResDeb%(50)
Level 41: Spirit Shark Jaws -- UnbCns-Hold/Rchg(A), UnbCns-Acc/Hold/Rchg(45), UnbCns-Acc/Rchg(46), UnbCns-EndRdx/Hold(48), UnbCns-Dam%(48)
Level 44: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 47: Tactics -- HO:Cyto(A)
Level 49: Vengeance -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A), Pnc-Heal/+End(40)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-End%(A)
Level 1: Momentum
Level 10: Defensive Adaptation
Level 10: Efficient Adaptation
Level 10: Offensive Adaptation
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
Level 50: Assault Radial Embodiment
Level 50: Ageless Core Epiphany
Level 50: Ion Core Final Judgement
Level 50: Cimeroran Core Superior Ally
Level 1: Quick Form
Level 0: The Atlas Medallion
Level 0: Task Force Commander
Level 0: Portal Jockey
Level 0: Freedom Phalanx Reserve
Level 50: Degenerative Core Flawless Interface
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