Necro/Nature

[WitchofDread]

Not sure if this is going to be any good, never played an MM before.

 

How do MM fair in hardmode content? Solo capability?

 

Really no idea on the pet slotting, just going by how i would slot controller pets. Totally lost with Lich though.

 

 

 

This Villain build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.7
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Level 50 Magic Mastermind
Primary Power Set: Necromancy
Secondary Power Set: Nature Affinity
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
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Level 1:    Zombie Horde    
 (A) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage
 (31) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance
 (31) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (33) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (42) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
 (45) Superior Command of the Mastermind - Recharge/Pet +AoE Defense Aura

Level 1:    Regrowth    
 (A) Preventive Medicine - Heal
 (3) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
 (3) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
 (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
 (5) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
 (7) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb

Level 2:    Gloom    
 (A) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
 (33) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
 (33) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge
 (34) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
 (43) Apocalypse - Recharge/Accuracy
 (46) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 4:    Wild Growth    
 (A) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance
 (7) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Recharge
 (9) Impervious Skin - Endurance/Recharge
 (9) Impervious Skin - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
 (11) Impervious Skin - Status Resistance/Regeneration

Level 6:    Enchant Undead    
 (A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 8:    Life Drain    
 (A) Theft of Essence - Chance for +Endurance
 (48) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
 (48) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage
 (50) Thunderstrike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (50) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)

Level 10:    Spore Cloud    
 (A) Dampened Spirits - To Hit Debuff
 (11) Dampened Spirits - To Hit Debuff/Recharge
 (13) Dampened Spirits - To Hit Debuff/Recharge/Endurance
 (13) Dampened Spirits - Recharge/Endurance
 (15) Dampened Spirits - To Hit Debuff/Endurance

Level 12:    Grave Knight    
 (A) Soulbound Allegiance - Chance for Build Up
 (27) Achilles' Heel - Chance for Res Debuff
 (27) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
 (29) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
 (40) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (46) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge

Level 14:    Hover    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (15) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
 (25) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 16:    Lifegiving Spores    
 (A) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
 (17) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge
 (17) Panacea - Heal/Recharge
 (19) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
 (19) Panacea - Heal
 (21) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance

Level 18:    Soul Extraction    
 (A) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Recharge
 (34) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage
 (34) Expedient Reinforcement - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
 (37) Expedient Reinforcement - Endurance/Damage/Recharge
 (43) Touch of the Nictus - Chance for Negative Energy Damage
 (45) Cloud Senses - Chance for Negative Energy Damage

Level 20:    Wild Bastion    
 (A) Panacea - Heal
 (21) Panacea - Heal/Endurance
 (23) Panacea - Endurance/Recharge
 (23) Panacea - Heal/Recharge
 (25) Panacea - Heal/Endurance/Recharge

Level 22:    Lich    
 (A) Empty
 (39) Empty
 (40) Empty
 (40) Empty
 (43) Empty
 (45) Empty

Level 24:    Fly    
 (A) Blessing of the Zephyr - Knockback Reduction (4 points)

Level 26:    Dark Empowerment    
 (A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 28:    Hasten    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (29) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 30:    Overgrowth    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (31) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 32:    Kick    
 (A) Empty

Level 35:    Tough    
 (A) Reactive Armor - Resistance
 (36) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
 (36) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Recharge
 (36) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
 (37) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
 (37) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 38:    Weave    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
 (39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 41:    Scorpion Shield    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense
 (42) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance

Level 44:    Power Boost    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO
 (46) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 47:    Maneuvers    
 (A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
 (48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 49:    Rebirth    
 (A) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 1:    Brawl    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Sprint    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Supremacy    
Level 2:    Rest    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Swift    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Health    
 (A) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
 (50) Miracle - +Recovery

Level 1:    Hurdle    
 (A) Empty

Level 1:    Stamina    
 (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

Level 1:    Zombie    
Level 12:    Grave Knight    
Level 22:    Lich    
Level 24:    Afterburner    
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[Xandyr]

Not at my computer (on phone), but here's a few things to consider.

 

Nature needs recharge, and lots of it. You want wild growth, wild bastion, and overgrowth up as often as possible. Same for Soul Extraction.

 

 Your pets will benefit from some end reduction.

 Not sure about the Achilles in Grave Knights (not sure how often it could proc)

 The Pet IOs will help tons (2 + resists, 2 + defense, and the other Superior...can't remember the name). Even if slotted in Soul Extraction, all your pets will get the benefit. 

 

 You can slot Resist Damage IOs in Enchant. It will give your pets more Resist. I usually put between 2-4 pieces of Unbreakable in it, and the Steadfast +res/Def there.

 Dark Empowerment...I've learned that if you slot the Panacea, Numina's, etc procs in it, your pets will receive the benefit of it (but not you). Helps to keep them healed up (health and end).

 

Lich....I always throw a Cloud Senses proc in him. About every power he uses has a chance to proc it. He doesn't do much damage at all, so might as well put To Hit Debuff there, and/or a 1/2 of the Pet Uniques.

 

 That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. When I can, I'll get on my pc and look a bit closer and maybe throw a build together to give you ideas. I myself was really close to rolling necro/nat, but instead decided to give Force Fields a shot.

[bellona100]

WitchofDread

I like how you skipped Tactics on you build.   A lot of players fail to recognize the +ToHit component of the Overgrowth buff.

 

Don't feel bad about coming up with an effective slotting for Lich.  He is tough to figure out.  Does one enhance the control aspect of the Lich or go with +DMG?   This is a question that tortured me for a couple weeks.

 

I attached a build to help you with the slotting of the henchmen of Necro/.  This slotting takes into account the enhancement of the henchmen powers as well as the set bonuses derived from the enhancements.  I weighed one against the other and came up with a good combination.   A focus was kept on +Rech and slotting the MM uniques.

Necro.Dark Witch.mxd

[StrikerFox]

21 hours ago, bellona100 said:

WitchofDread

Does one enhance the control aspect of the Lich or go with +DMG?   

 

I usually just build for damage on the Lich, more because I want certain set bonuses, but try a mix of both control and damage. Sacrifice endurance slotting for it:

Soulbound +dam
acc/-tohit hamio
acc/mez hamio
dam/mez hamio
Cloud Senses proc
Pet unique 
Intuition Radial Alpha

 

I know it looks funky without endurance but slot 2 heal/end +3 hamios in Dark Empowerment. It's enough to keep Lich and Grave Knights above 80% blue bar after attacking for 10 minutes straight. Zombies need another +33% end slotted for them to last. I made a video, it shows their slotting a few times throughout. I make adjustments on the fly to get Zombies functional, like 15 minutes in.

It's done on Beta. I have Support Hybrid slotted so I'm not sure if the passive end discount works on pets too.

 

 

 

Edited March 9, 2023 by StrikerFox

[C U R S E]

On 3/6/2023 at 5:55 PM, Xandyr said:

Not at my computer (on phone), but here's a few things to consider.

 

Nature needs recharge, and lots of it. You want wild growth, wild bastion, and overgrowth up as often as possible. Same for Soul Extraction.

 

 Your pets will benefit from some end reduction.

 Not sure about the Achilles in Grave Knights (not sure how often it could proc)

 The Pet IOs will help tons (2 + resists, 2 + defense, and the other Superior...can't remember the name). Even if slotted in Soul Extraction, all your pets will get the benefit. 

 

 You can slot Resist Damage IOs in Enchant. It will give your pets more Resist. I usually put between 2-4 pieces of Unbreakable in it, and the Steadfast +res/Def there.

 Dark Empowerment...I've learned that if you slot the Panacea, Numina's, etc procs in it, your pets will receive the benefit of it (but not you). Helps to keep them healed up (health and end).

 

Lich....I always throw a Cloud Senses proc in him. About every power he uses has a chance to proc it. He doesn't do much damage at all, so might as well put To Hit Debuff there, and/or a 1/2 of the Pet Uniques.

 

 That's just what I can think of off the top of my head. When I can, I'll get on my pc and look a bit closer and maybe throw a build together to give you ideas. I myself was really close to rolling necro/nat, but instead decided to give Force Fields a shot.

Panacea proc is the only benefit the pets will get. All others have been tested. Interesting enough the status/regen resistance IO, slotted in resistance will benefit them as well.

[BazookaTwo]

I don't have my build handy, but I love my Necro/Nature. It feels almost unfair to mobs.

 

I slotted Lich for control though. Maybe similar to how you'd 4 slot Dark Servant. A defense bonus I think?

 

Which Necro pet should get the chance for build up proc? 

[StrikerFox]

1 hour ago, C U R S E said:

Panacea proc is the only benefit the pets will get. All others have been tested. Interesting enough the status/regen resistance IO, slotted in resistance will benefit them as well.

 

Numina's, Miracle and Regenerative Tissue are active on pets when slotted in Dark Empowerment. Impervious Skin? Whaaaat?! No way... Spent all this time trying to improve pets but overlooked Imp Skin... Geez, if this works, I'll be upset... Oh geez, for goodness sakes! It does!

 

 

13 minutes ago, BazookaTwo said:

Which Necro pet should get the chance for build up proc? 

 

It makes the most impact, highest dps increase, on tier 1 Zombies. But arguably, Zombies are quickest to fall. If they're dying often, Grave Knights would be a decent alternative.

Edited March 10, 2023 by StrikerFox

[Xandyr]

5 hours ago, C U R S E said:

Panacea proc is the only benefit the pets will get. All others have been tested. Interesting enough the status/regen resistance IO, slotted in resistance will benefit them as well.

So, Numina's and Regenerative does not work?

[Xandyr]

4 hours ago, StrikerFox said:

 

Numina's, Miracle and Regenerative Tissue are active on pets when slotted in Dark Empowerment. Impervious Skin? Whaaaat?! No way... Spent all this time trying to improve pets but overlooked Imp Skin... Geez, if this works, I'll be upset... Oh geez, for goodness sakes! It does!

 

 

 

It makes the most impact, highest dps increase, on tier 1 Zombies. But arguably, Zombies are quickest to fall. If they're dying often, Grave Knights would be a decent alternative.

Wow! So they DO work on the pets?! Yay!!!

 I didn't even think of Imp Skin. I'm guessing that's slotted in Enchant? Wouldn't it be awesome if you slotted Steadfast:+resist/Def in Enchant AND it transferred the bonus to them?

[Raikao]

On 3/9/2023 at 9:40 AM, StrikerFox said:

 

I usually just build for damage on the Lich, more because I want certain set bonuses, but try a mix of both control and damage. Sacrifice endurance slotting for it:

Soulbound +dam
acc/-tohit hamio
acc/mez hamio
dam/mez hamio
Cloud Senses proc
Pet unique 
Intuition Radial Alpha

 

I know it looks funky without endurance but slot 2 heal/end +3 hamios in Dark Empowerment. It's enough to keep Lich and Grave Knights above 80% blue bar after attacking for 10 minutes straight. Zombies need another +33% end slotted for them to last. I made a video, it shows their slotting a few times throughout. I make adjustments on the fly to get Zombies functional, like 15 minutes in.

It's done on Beta. I have Support Hybrid slotted so I'm not sure if the passive end discount works on pets too.

 

 

 

I keep seeing your posts and they are really amazing in terms of information.

 

But can't you just POST A BUILD for once? Like if you have figured out how to solve endurcance on Necro/Nature, just post a build. I spend so much time in mids because I can just find an optimized up to date build it's driving me insane.

[SeraphimKensai]

11 hours ago, Raikao said:

I keep seeing your posts and they are really amazing in terms of information.

 

But can't you just POST A BUILD for once? Like if you have figured out how to solve endurcance on Necro/Nature, just post a build. I spend so much time in mids because I can just find an optimized up to date build it's driving me insane.

I play dual Necro/darks myself (I also have a Necro/ea), but I can't help but wonder how Necro/nature has an end issue? I play nature on several other toons and the 74.5% pbaoe end discount on Overgrowth should resolve it by itself. Then there's also

Life Giving Spores that gives endurance.

 

Am I missing something here?

[StrikerFox]

17 hours ago, Raikao said:

But can't you just POST A BUILD for once? 

 

It's explained in the post you quoted but... This is the Necro pet slotting that's enough to allow them to fight nonstop for 15+ minutes without running out of endurance. +33% end reduction in Zombies and two +3 heal/end HOs in Dark Empowerment.

I love it. Zombies in TV/films are depicted as undead monsters that do not fatigue. It kind of fits that Necro needs little to no endurance slotting.

 

[Xandyr]

13 hours ago, StrikerFox said:

 

It's explained in the post you quoted but... This is the Necro pet slotting that's enough to allow them to fight nonstop for 15+ minutes without running out of endurance. +33% end reduction in Zombies and two +3 heal/end HOs in Dark Empowerment.

I love it. Zombies in TV/films are depicted as undead monsters that do not fatigue. It kind of fits that Necro needs little to no endurance slotting.

 

I think she was asking if you'd post your entire build.

[StrikerFox]

3 hours ago, Xandyr said:

I think she was asking if you'd post your entire build.

 

I don't post my builds anymore. I'll give a general critique if someone asks for it for their build. Recommend power/slot/IO changes if they have specific goals they're aiming for. But it sounds like she's asking how to manage pet endurance on a Necro/Nature which I don't have. I run a Necro/Dark.

[Xandyr]

2 hours ago, StrikerFox said:

 

I don't post my builds anymore. I'll give a general critique if someone asks for it for their build. Recommend power/slot/IO changes if they have specific goals they're aiming for. But it sounds like she's asking how to manage pet endurance on a Necro/Nature which I don't have. I run a Necro/Dark.

eh, either way, you are a wealth of knowledge!

[Raikao]

18 hours ago, StrikerFox said:

 

I don't post my builds anymore. I'll give a general critique if someone asks for it for their build. Recommend power/slot/IO changes if they have specific goals they're aiming for. But it sounds like she's asking how to manage pet endurance on a Necro/Nature which I don't have. I run a Necro/Dark.

What a helpful community we have with people like you in it.

[SeraphimKensai]

20 hours ago, StrikerFox said:

 

I don't post my builds anymore. I'll give a general critique if someone asks for it for their build. Recommend power/slot/IO changes if they have specific goals they're aiming for. But it sounds like she's asking how to manage pet endurance on a Necro/Nature which I don't have. I run a Necro/Dark.

This is what I do myself. I think it's more rewarding to help someone understand how to make a build as opposed to just giving them one. It makes them better players.

[StrikerFox]

5 hours ago, Raikao said:

What a helpful community we have with people like you in it.

 

2 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said:

This is what I do myself. I think it's more rewarding to help someone understand how to make a build as opposed to just giving them one. It makes them better players.

 

Give a man a fish; teach a man to fish, yada yada. There are a lot of builds players have posted already. If a specific combination can't be found, just find a Necro/X build and a X/Nature build, and amalgamate them. Some synergies may be lost and some may be created. Adapt it to suit personal needs/wants and playstyle. Integrate must-haves and drop expendables. It will teach a lot about building.

[WumpusRat]

On 3/8/2023 at 12:01 PM, bellona100 said:

WitchofDread

I like how you skipped Tactics on you build.   A lot of players fail to recognize the +ToHit component of the Overgrowth buff.

 

 

While Overgrowth does provide +to hit, it doesn't protect you from confusion effects, which tactics does.

One of the worst cc's you can be hit by as a mastermind (especially a nature one) is confusion, since suddenly all your healing and buffs are benefiting the enemies, instead of your pets, and your pets will turn on you and tear you apart.

 

As for the combo itself, I have a necro/nature that's a lot of fun to play. I'm in the process of rebuilding her though, since my original build was more heavily-invested into defense rather than resistance, and I'm leaning more into resists lately, especially on builds that can self-heal. For the lich, I don't really bother slotting him for damage, since he only has two damaging abilities, and the rest are cc and debuffs. Slotting him for to-hit debuff can work really well, and I'm experimenting with proccing him out since most of his abilities have fairly long cooldowns.

[Raikao]

12 hours ago, WumpusRat said:

While Overgrowth does provide +to hit, it doesn't protect you from confusion effects, which tactics does.

One of the worst cc's you can be hit by as a mastermind (especially a nature one) is confusion, since suddenly all your healing and buffs are benefiting the enemies, instead of your pets, and your pets will turn on you and tear you apart.

 

As for the combo itself, I have a necro/nature that's a lot of fun to play. I'm in the process of rebuilding her though, since my original build was more heavily-invested into defense rather than resistance, and I'm leaning more into resists lately, especially on builds that can self-heal. For the lich, I don't really bother slotting him for damage, since he only has two damaging abilities, and the rest are cc and debuffs. Slotting him for to-hit debuff can work really well, and I'm experimenting with proccing him out since most of his abilities have fairly long cooldowns.

I'd be really interested in sharing ideas. If you're on the Discord please feel free to poke me. I have incorporated StrikerFox's findings for endurance management but I'm still a bit short on recharge (overgrowth at 70sec) but increasing that lowers defenses resist and I'm not entirely sure how much personal resist is needed.

 

Same for slotting Enchant Undead. There are a LOT of options there. Same for getting heal procs into Dark Empowerment.

 

I'll post what I got cooking so far.

Linadriel V2 - Mastermind (Necromancy - Nature Affinity).mbd

[WumpusRat]

9 hours ago, Raikao said:

I'd be really interested in sharing ideas. If you're on the Discord please feel free to poke me. I have incorporated StrikerFox's findings for endurance management but I'm still a bit short on recharge (overgrowth at 70sec) but increasing that lowers defenses resist and I'm not entirely sure how much personal resist is needed.

 

Same for slotting Enchant Undead. There are a LOT of options there. Same for getting heal procs into Dark Empowerment.

 

I'll post what I got cooking so far.

Linadriel V2 - Mastermind (Necromancy - Nature Affinity).mbd 46.97 kB · 2 downloads

I'm at work at the moment so I can't post anything, but I'll try to finish tinkering with my build when I get home, and post it after I run some more tests on the beta server.

Though a lot of my builds are tightly constrained to a theme/concept, so sometimes they won't be as efficient as they could be. 🙂

I try to make them as close to theme as possible while still being as effective as they can be, but...

My necro/nature build is part of my "D&D Adventurers in Paragon" group. She's a "Circle of Spores" druid. If we could customize pets, they'd look like the mushroom guys from DE.

[WumpusRat]

Okay, let's see if it properly exported the build...

 

<edit> Hm, apparently not. The version of mids I just upgraded to doesn't seem to want to export builds. It crashes every time I try to use the "share build via forum export" option. Blah.

Edited August 1, 2023 by WumpusRat

[SeraphimKensai]

Oh by the way Regrowth doesn't root you, so you can walk into the cone and heal yourself.

[Raikao]

On 8/1/2023 at 2:57 AM, WumpusRat said:

I'm at work at the moment so I can't post anything, but I'll try to finish tinkering with my build when I get home, and post it after I run some more tests on the beta server.

Though a lot of my builds are tightly constrained to a theme/concept, so sometimes they won't be as efficient as they could be. 🙂

I try to make them as close to theme as possible while still being as effective as they can be, but...

My necro/nature build is part of my "D&D Adventurers in Paragon" group. She's a "Circle of Spores" druid. If we could customize pets, they'd look like the mushroom guys from DE.

Uhm, my Necro/Nature MM is based on my Circle of Wildfire Druid

 

and you could just add the file to your post and share it that way maybe

Edited August 3, 2023 by Raikao

[Raikao]

On 8/1/2023 at 8:26 PM, SeraphimKensai said:

Oh by the way Regrowth doesn't root you, so you can walk into the cone and heal yourself.

You can just stand still I'm pretty sure. It'll heal you as well.