Battle Axe/Bio Scrapper needs help

StoneKarma · March 11, 2023

I thought maybe it would be better to start another thread for the BA/BIO version.

I took one of @Linea's Scrapper Katana/Bio builds and then tried to mimic it with Battle Axe. I couldn't find a spot for a 4th LotG (Katana : Divine Avalanche can slot one) but I was able to get about the same Rech from other purple sets. And three Force Feedback +Rech should have at least one of them proc'ing most of the time.

I read the suggested Combat Teleport thread and made a guess as to how to slot it. What are some of the tips that would make this more effective?

Thanks for your help so far, I appreciate it!

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Edited March 15, 2023 by StoneKarma

SomeGuy · March 11, 2023

Wasn't a fan of CT and grabbed maneuvers instead. Definitely moved a lot of slots around. I tried to keep the "flavor" of your build as much as possible. I'll share my take on BA/BIO in a sec.

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SomeGuy · March 11, 2023

I give up making for other people.

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This Hero build was built using Mids Reborn 3.4.6
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Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Battle Axe
Secondary Power Set: Bio Armor
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Soul Mastery

Hero Profile:
Level 1: Chop

(A) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage
(3) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
(3) Superior Critical Strikes - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
(5) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage
(5) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge
(7) Empty

Level 1: Hardened Carapace

(A) Unbreakable Guard - +Max HP
(7) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance
(9) Unbreakable Guard - Resistance/Endurance
(9) Unbreakable Guard - Endurance/RechargeTime

Level 2: Inexhaustible

(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

Level 4: Environmental Modification

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(11) Shield Wall - Defense/Endurance
(46) Shield Wall - Defense
(48) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)

Level 6: Build Up

(A) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
(13) Recharge Reduction IO
(13) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 8: Swoop

(A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
(15) Hecatomb - Damage
(15) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
(17) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
(17) Gladiator's Strike - Chance for Smashing Damage
(19) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 10: Adaptation
Level 12: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 14: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(19) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 16: Ablative Carapace

(A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb
(21) Preventive Medicine - Heal
(21) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
(23) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
(23) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
(25) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance

Level 18: Whirling Axe

(A) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Recharge/Critical Hit Bonus
(25) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(27) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Recharge
(27) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(29) Superior Scrapper's Strike - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 20: Evolving Armor

(A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 22: Boxing

(A) Kinetic Combat - Accuracy/Damage
(29) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(31) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(31) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 24: Tough

(A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 26: Cleave

(A) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
(33) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
(33) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
(33) Fury of the Gladiator - Chance for Res Debuff
(34) Superior Critical Strikes - RechargeTime/+50% Crit Proc
(34) Force Feedback - Chance for +Recharge

Level 28: DNA Siphon

(A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
(34) Scirocco's Dervish - Chance of Damage(Lethal)
(36) Eradication - Chance for Energy Damage
(36) Touch of the Nictus - Chance for Negative Energy Damage

Level 30: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(36) Red Fortune - Defense/Endurance
(37) Red Fortune - Defense

Level 32: Pendulum

(A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
(37) Obliteration - Damage
(37) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(39) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(39) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(39) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 35: Genetic Contamination

(A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
(40) Obliteration - Damage
(40) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
(40) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
(42) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(42) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge

Level 38: Parasitic Aura

(A) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
(42) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance
(43) Doctored Wounds - Heal
(43) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
(43) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge

Level 41: Moonbeam

(A) Apocalypse - Damage/Recharge/Accuracy
(45) Apocalypse - Damage/Endurance
(45) Apocalypse - Chance of Damage(Negative)
(45) Sting of the Manticore - Chance of Damage(Toxic)
(46) Gladiator's Javelin - Chance of Damage(Toxic)
(46) Decimation - Chance of Build Up

Level 44: Shadow Meld

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed

Level 47: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Increased Global Recharge Speed
(48) Reactive Defenses - Defense/Endurance
(48) Reactive Defenses - Scaling Resist Damage

Level 49: Assault

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 1: Brawl

(A) Superior Blistering Cold - Recharge/Chance for Hold
(31) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage
(50) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance
(50) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
(50) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Sprint

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 1: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO

Level 1: Health

(A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
(11) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery

Level 1: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO

Level 1: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End

Level 10: Defensive Adaptation
Level 10: Efficient Adaptation
Level 10: Offensive Adaptation
Level 49: Quick Form
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon
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StoneKarma · March 11, 2023

@SomeGuy, Thank you for these builds! I think it's really fascinating how they all take the same primary and secondary powers, but then have quite different outcomes with slotting and pool power selection. As they say in basketball, "you're putting on a clinic!"

I swapped in Shadow Meld for the fire pool.

Shadow Meld does a couple of things for the build. Gives it a 5th LotG, and soft caps DEF as a very good Oh %@#! button. I followed most of your slotting. Here is what I've ended up with.

With your slotting, I had more slots to do things with, so I worked on getting defenses up. I think barring any blaring oversight or omissions here is the final build.

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Yomo Kimyata · March 11, 2023

I think:

I'd like to get some more melee defense in there, and I would sacrifice some of the global recharge you have in there currently to do it. I think you may be over slotted for endurance recovery, since DNA Siphon and Parasitic Aura are great endurance tools.

Here's a quick build I put together. Personally, I would use a bunch of HO/DSOs and boost things to bejebus, but hopefully this keeps to your vision:

https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1646&c=732&a=1464&f=HEX&dc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

Gobbledygook · March 11, 2023

Ok, nothing to contribute to the conversation, but I have to ask, if Wm/Ea = Strong and Pretty, then does that mean that Ba/Bio = Strong and Ugly?

StoneKarma · March 15, 2023

Thanks everyone for the hints and tips. I think barring any glaring oversight, here is the final build with the correct version of Mids and the NuAxe.

This is a very expensive build, but I think it will be fun to work towards it. A total of six purple sets, plus a lot of expensive individual pieces. But I've certainly done worse.

Shadow Meld was a nice addition, and I have room for a travel power. With SJ or SS. Is there a min/max reason to do one or the other, or is it mostly personal preference?

I will always be on a team with this toon, so I expect a few others to be running Maneuvers, so DEF will be close to soft cap and with Shadow Meld, it will be over the the softcap about half the time (if I'm paying attention).

https://www.midsreborn.com/builds/download.php?uc=1693&c=732&a=1464&f=HEX&dc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

StoneKarma · March 17, 2023

Well, I made it to 50, all decked out in my shiny new IOs and I must say, this is *very* endurance heavy. I routinely run out of endurance in the middle of the first or second mob. During the battle with the computer in the 3rd mission of the ITF, I have to rest several times during the fight. Either run away and Rest or just stand there. I've never had a Scrapper so Endurance heavy.

I hope they fix it, just adjust the End and maybe tweak the recharge for some of the powers.

-OR- Did I just choose Primary/Secondary poorly? Is there another combo to consider without the Endurance problems?

Edited March 17, 2023 by StoneKarma

lemming · March 17, 2023

I'll agree that Axe is End heavy.

Can't open the mids, but what I wound up doing with my Ax characters is they both run Cardiac and do have some sets slotted that give End Discounts. Plus Perf Shifters in the likely places. The scrapper isn't done yet, but currently runs pretty well for end purposes when not exemplared.

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aethereal · March 18, 2023

On 3/17/2023 at 7:10 PM, StoneKarma said:

Well, I made it to 50, all decked out in my shiny new IOs and I must say, this is *very* endurance heavy. I routinely run out of endurance in the middle of the first or second mob. During the battle with the computer in the 3rd mission of the ITF, I have to rest several times during the fight. Either run away and Rest or just stand there. I've never had a Scrapper so Endurance heavy.

I hope they fix it, just adjust the End and maybe tweak the recharge for some of the powers.

-OR- Did I just choose Primary/Secondary poorly? Is there another combo to consider without the Endurance problems?

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So, important Bio tip:

DNA Siphon gives you endurance and health for every living enemy it hits, but recovery and regeneration for every dead enemy it hits. Getting the most out of Bio, in my experience, means using DNA Siphon carefully, when you have a good mix of alive and dead enemies for it to hit. If you hit only alive enemies in a large spawn, you easily fill up your endurance and health bars fully, but then you've got a long time before you get any more use out of it. If you hit a mix of alive and dead enemies, you still refill both bars, but then you get a bunch of regen and recovery to tide you over until it comes off of cooldown.

I do not suggest proc-bombing DNA Siphon unless you largely work in big groups in unchallenging content. It's a powerful survivability tool, you need it on the relatively fragile Bio armor.

Yomo Kimyata · March 18, 2023

On 3/18/2023 at 3:54 PM, aethereal said:

I do not suggest proc-bombing DNA Siphon unless you largely work in big groups in unchallenging content. It's a powerful survivability tool, you need it on the relatively fragile Bio armor.

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DNA Siphon is a "super power", in part because there are so many ways you can go with it. Definitely my favorite power in the game for what it does.

Personally, I'm looking for as much recharge and accuracy as I can get, then I generally use procs over heal, endurance, and damage (I'm running +4/x8, and Ablative Carapace and Parasitic Aura generally cover most of my healing needs). Some great procs:

Fury of the Glad -res

Avalanche/Overwhelming Force knockdown

Energy Manipulator stun

any ATO proc you are ok with coming up every 30-60 seconds

any damage procs

I used to use Theft of Essence proc out of habit but in a big crowd you get so much endurance anyway I find better uses for that slot. All of these procs should be pretty much at or close to 90% activation rates (I think that my recharge is generally in the 30-45 second range).

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