Defense/resistance/mez

[Hyperstrike]

3 hours ago, Infinitum said:

 

That's actually the perfect approach and how most of my build templates came to be. 

 

Everyone has a playstyle - you are building to accommodate yours and that's a beautiful approach. 

 

And a buuld is never perfect - but as long as it suits your fun that's all you need. 

 

True.

 

 

2 hours ago, Haijinx said:

Some could be ... if only they would give me like 10 more slots. ...

ALSO True...

[WuTang]

On 4/20/2024 at 11:16 AM, Zect said:

If you are unsure, then for a general-purpose build, my recommendation is at least 1 primary mit layer capped (either 45% def to all or 90% res to all on a brute)

Just curious if you'd be willing to post a build where you've managed to get 45% to all or 90% to all on any Brute combo?

 

Not calling you out, but I'm newish to building out top end toons and have yet to meet either of those recommendations. I don't play "star" content but regularly main tank ITF +4x8 with my SS/Inv Brute and I think 38% is my highest Def on S/L with everything else falling in the 31-32%, except for Toxic and Psi. And my resists are 90% S/L, ~65% E/NE/F/C, and T/P is lower. and I run ITF with any level 35+. I also run a combination of Hyperstrike and Infinitum SS/Inv build. But very intrigued about your builds, would love to see one for sure. I have managed to almost max out a Scrapper's Resist on 6 of the 8, almost, but he's an Ele/Ele, so it was kind of easy.

[Haijinx]

Defense is easier by far since you can get 45 to all with a SR Brute without much past the two 3% Def ios 

[Infinitum]

22 minutes ago, WuTang said:

Just curious if you'd be willing to post a build where you've managed to get 45% to all or 90% to all on any Brute combo?

 

Not calling you out, but I'm newish to building out top end toons and have yet to meet either of those recommendations. I don't play "star" content but regularly main tank ITF +4x8 with my SS/Inv Brute and I think 38% is my highest Def on S/L with everything else falling in the 31-32%, except for Toxic and Psi. And my resists are 90% S/L, ~65% E/NE/F/C, and T/P is lower. and I run ITF with any level 35+. I also run a combination of Hyperstrike and Infinitum SS/Inv build. But very intrigued about your builds, would love to see one for sure. I have managed to almost max out a Scrapper's Resist on 6 of the 8, almost, but he's an Ele/Ele, so it was kind of easy.

 

SR and Shield can pull off the defense softcap easily. 

 

Resistance Brutes would have to be Elec Dark or Rad to hit the 90 - but they aren't hitting it to all - not without a non perma buff like Rune or Melee Core.   Cap to Most is a more accurate description on Brutes - and usually all they need to be durable enough for any content. 

 

I think Elec will hit it to all but neg nrg and toxic.  Rad to all but cold, and Dark all but Nrg.  Without being nere a computer I may be incorrect there but back in 2019 I ran an analysis on which sets were better on Brutes vs Tankers and those three always edged out tankers easily back then.  The tanker buff narrowed that gap a good bit - probably a tad too much.   My first rnain on HC was actually a Rad/Elec Brute I ran with melee core as a panic button.  Was mostly unkillable. 

 

I - same as you - would like to see a build hitting 90 res to all on a brute on a perma basis.

Edited April 25, 2024 by Infinitum

[Haijinx]

Shield takes a more dedicated effort to get there than SR though. 

 

EA can sofrcap easy except dark and psi (and toxic)

 

Brute SR is the best version really.  The AOE toggle comes at 20.  So you can exemplar well.  And with scaling resists S/L can climb to 90 easily with most builds instead of 75 like on a Scrapper.

 

On Tankers SR numbers are mostly overkill.

 

 

 

 

[Hyperstrike]

11 hours ago, Infinitum said:

 

SR and Shield can pull off the defense softcap easily. 

 

Resistance Brutes would have to be Elec Dark or Rad to hit the 90 - but they aren't hitting it to all - not without a non perma buff like Rune or Melee Core.   Cap to Most is a more accurate description on Brutes - and usually all they need to be durable enough for any content. 

 

I think Elec will hit it to all but neg nrg and toxic.  Rad to all but cold, and Dark all but Nrg.  Without being nere a computer I may be incorrect there but back in 2019 I ran an analysis on which sets were better on Brutes vs Tankers and those three always edged out tankers easily back then.  The tanker buff narrowed that gap a good bit - probably a tad too much.   My first rnain on HC was actually a Rad/Elec Brute I ran with melee core as a panic button.  Was mostly unkillable. 

 

I - same as you - would like to see a build hitting 90 res to all on a brute on a perma basis.

Wish I had access to my build library.

Had some computer issues and the rig has been in the shop extraordinarily long.

If I had time I'd have rebuilt the rig myself,
Bur I DO NOT have time and may not for months.

Considering my pay,  it's ultimately cheaper to fix the system and replace problem parts by paying for it.

The lost work time would be absolutely ruinous.

[Infinitum]

6 hours ago, Hyperstrike said:

Wish I had access to my build library.

Had some computer issues and the rig has been in the shop extraordinarily long.

If I had time I'd have rebuilt the rig myself,
Bur I DO NOT have time and may not for months.

Considering my pay,  it's ultimately cheaper to fix the system and replace problem parts by paying for it.

The lost work time would be absolutely ruinous.

 

I have brute builds that get close but still don't hit 90 to all.   We are talking 90 res to all 24/7 - and without a t9 or melee core.   Those aren't perma. 

[Hyperstrike]

On 4/26/2024 at 7:54 AM, Infinitum said:

 

I have brute builds that get close but still don't hit 90 to all.   We are talking 90 res to all 24/7 - and without a t9 or melee core.   Those aren't perma. 

Very few builds are ever going to give you that.  EVER.

They're meant to be a safe "Oh shit!" button.  Not a "Delayed suicide button" like Unstoppable.

But actual CAP is unaffected.  You can get bumps through eating Resist inspies.

Asking for a solution that delivers capped Resist and capped Defense 24x7 is asking for a bit much.

[Snarky]

Yes, on my Dark Armor Tank and Brute I take Incarnate Melee Hybrid and Sorcery rune of Protection on a build that is already 90-100% Res on most damage types.  The Tank sits at 88.8% Fire/Cold, 79.8% Toxic, and 73.1% Energy stone cold out of combat.  The goal is not 90%, which is great, but 100% which is perfect.  Because then your Resistance can only be debuffed by the extremely rare non-resistable resistance debuff power.  Which is so rare as to almost not exist.  The Incarnate Melee Core Embodiment and Rune of Protection both have a down time that cannot be affected by recharge.  But they can be alternated, with an orange inspiration to fill any gaps during extremely tough content.  

 

Every armor will have weaknesses.  Dark has almost no Defense and no defense debuff resistance.  It does use stealth, fear, stun, and to hit debuff as "faux defense" and has the best heal in the game.  I build to those strengths.  Trying to slam 45 or 65% defenses onto a Resist armor set with no defense debuff resistance is not wise in my opinion.

[Infinitum]

5 minutes ago, Hyperstrike said:

Very few builds are ever going to give you that.  EVER.

They're meant to be a safe "Oh shit!" button.  Not a "Delayed suicide button" like Unstoppable.

But actual CAP is unaffected.  You can get bumps through eating Resist inspies.

Asking for a solution that delivers capped Resist and capped Defense 24x7 is asking for a bit much.

Go back and re-read the whole interchange - I was never claiming that it could be done - I was responding that I didn't think it could be done - but get close - but would like to see it if it could.

 

That was the original question I was responding to - static 90 to all is pretty much impossible - like I said I have tanker builds that can get close with Elec Armor - all but 2 categories Neg Nrg and Toxic, Rad Armor - all but Cold, Dark armor - all but Nrg and toxic - thats 24/7 static resists - you don't really need a panic button for those builds.

 

As far as panic buttons - most of them are useless because you can get a build strong enough to not need them - the only two I can think of worth taking that are easy to come by is One with the Shield and Overload on Energy Aura - those it almost doesn't make sense not to take.

[Snarky]

10 minutes ago, Infinitum said:

Go back and re-read the whole interchange - I was never claiming that it could be done - I was responding that I didn't think it could be done - but get close - but would like to see it if it could.

 

That was the original question I was responding to - static 90 to all is pretty much impossible - like I said I have tanker builds that can get close with Elec Armor - all but 2 categories Neg Nrg and Toxic, Rad Armor - all but Cold, Dark armor - all but Nrg and toxic - thats 24/7 static resists - you don't really need a panic button for those builds.

 

As far as panic buttons - most of them are useless because you can get a build strong enough to not need them - the only two I can think of worth taking that are easy to come by is One with the Shield and Overload on Energy Aura - those it almost doesn't make sense not to take.

in my opinion you would want to look towards Hyperstrikes MoDurable Invulnerability builds.  Invul is a hybrid Res/Def armor.  Hyperstrike somehow finds every way to efficiently improve the performance of an already great all around armor type.  Probably the closest you will get to the goal.

[Hyperstrike]

19 minutes ago, Infinitum said:

Go back and re-read the whole interchange - I was never claiming that it could be done - I was responding that I didn't think it could be done - but get close - but would like to see it if it could.

 

That was the original question I was responding to - static 90 to all is pretty much impossible - like I said I have tanker builds that can get close with Elec Armor - all but 2 categories Neg Nrg and Toxic, Rad Armor - all but Cold, Dark armor - all but Nrg and toxic - thats 24/7 static resists - you don't really need a panic button for those builds.

 

As far as panic buttons - most of them are useless because you can get a build strong enough to not need them - the only two I can think of worth taking that are easy to come by is One with the Shield and Overload on Energy Aura - those it almost doesn't make sense not to take.

Look at what I said.

I simply noted that, in the absence of a viable option.  Nothing more.

 

8 minutes ago, Snarky said:

in my opinion you would want to look towards Hyperstrikes MoDurable Invulnerability builds.  Invul is a hybrid Res/Def armor.  Hyperstrike somehow finds every way to efficiently improve the performance of an already great all around armor type.  Probably the closest you will get to the goal.

And Mo isn't a perfect solution either.  Running at crazy difficulty levels, you can stave off carpet-smootchery for a little bit.  But the Regen just isn't there.

In my miniscule free time, I'm running some content at super-high difficulty and picking mobs that are especially efficient at chopping you down an maximum sized mobs.

Initial durability is nice and all.  But the kill speed basically becomes a massive slog.  Not fatal, but if diff is bumped any higher, and it becomes a stalemate situation.

[Infinitum]

1 hour ago, Snarky said:

in my opinion you would want to look towards Hyperstrikes MoDurable Invulnerability builds.  Invul is a hybrid Res/Def armor.  Hyperstrike somehow finds every way to efficiently improve the performance of an already great all around armor type.  Probably the closest you will get to the goal.

 

I think I will stick with mine - but thanks. 😉

 

Plus if I really want durable I go Shield or SR - it's better than any Invul build I have or any invul build can hope to reach MO durable included. 

Edited May 11, 2024 by Infinitum

[Infinitum]

1 hour ago, Hyperstrike said:

Look at what I said.

I simply noted that, in the absence of a viable option.  Nothing more.

 

I know what you said - my point is it had no bearing on the discussion. 

 

That's why I said - go back and read the main point that started the discussion. 

[Hyperstrike]

On 4/25/2024 at 6:02 AM, MizuUeumatsu said:

Hi! I'm working on IOing an electric armor brute and I've got to say it's got nice def/res/mez res I am smashing through rikti like a hot knife through butter.

Teah.  I have a couple claws-elec brutes.  Originally built for farming.

But the build, in general, ia  FARGIN BUZZAW!  Generally tough enough.