Scarlet Shocker Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 I was looking for a different sub forum and I came across Fort Trident. Being unfamiliar with it, I checked to see what its purpose was and was surprised to see it is guides. It does seem to be primarily for TFs/SFs and end game content but then if you were looking for a guide as a forum novice, why would you look there? There's already a guides section. This to me seems confusing, unnecessary and superfluous - and Fort Trident as a title tells you nothing of its purpose per se. I might understand if there was a ton of guides being posted regularly but no. A couple per month in each forum tops. There are already far too many sub-forums to navigate easily (don't get me started on finding your way around here) so why make things even more complex than it should be? 2 2 There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High_Beam Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Totally. 1 Girls of Nukem High - Excelsior - Tempus Fabulous, Flattery, Jennifer Chilly, Betty Beatdown, Totally Cali, Two Gun Trixie Babes of War - Excelsior - High Beam (Yay), Di Di Guns, Runeslinger, Munitions Mistress, Tideway, Hard Melody, Blue Aria Many alts and lots of fun. Thank you Name Release For letting me get my OG main back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc1979 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 I also found it very confusing when I came back here after a few years' hiatus 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game Master GM Crumpet Posted September 10 Game Master Share Posted September 10 Guides is for anything that helps a player with something, so how to use X, where to find Y, best ways to level up a Z etc. Fort Trident is for TF/SF and end game discussion only. I think it's to differentiate the help and guides to make things easier to find. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 5 hours ago, GM Crumpet said: Guides is for anything that helps a player with something, so how to use X, where to find Y, best ways to level up a Z etc. Fort Trident is for TF/SF and end game discussion only. I think it's to differentiate the help and guides to make things easier to find. Ok well quite clearly it doesn't make anything easier to find. Guides has absolutely no description. It literally just says "Guides" Fort Trident has a pretty week description and also has a sub forum "Guides" that has sweet FA in it. It is blank, empty, void, filled with nothingness, so clearly about as much use as a rubber duck in the Sahara desert. I could possibly get my head around a discrete section to discuss TFs/SFs, Trials and ITrials but the descriptor is feeble and I don't think it really adds much to the overall forum experience frankly. 1 There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 Maybe the problem is that people keep putting things where they don't belong. For example, posting feedback about the forums in General Discussion, instead of in Website Suggestions & Feedback. Hm... 1 1 1 Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 2 hours ago, Luminara said: Maybe the problem is that people keep putting things where they don't belong. For example, posting feedback about the forums in General Discussion, instead of in Website Suggestions & Feedback. Hm... I would argue there are far too many sub forums that overcomplicate this place. It's a nightmare to navigate. If it were simplified and many forums consolidated, it would likely be much simpler for people to know where to post. Doubly so if the forum descriptions were improved and enhanced. There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderingAries Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 6 hours ago, Scarlet Shocker said: Ok well quite clearly it doesn't make anything easier to find. Guides has absolutely no description. It literally just says "Guides" Fort Trident has a pretty week description and also has a sub forum "Guides" that has sweet FA in it. It is blank, empty, void, filled with nothingness, so clearly about as much use as a rubber duck in the Sahara desert. I could possibly get my head around a discrete section to discuss TFs/SFs, Trials and ITrials but the descriptor is feeble and I don't think it really adds much to the overall forum experience frankly. Not having navigated to said sections, I would agree that I'd be initially confused as to what "Fort Trident" was for. Perhaps a (sub-title) to be added. 1 OG Server: Pinnacle <||> Current Primary Server: Torchbearer || Also found on the others if desired <||> Generally Inactive Installing CoX: Windows || MacOS || MacOS for M1 <||> Migrating Data from an Older Installation Clubs: Mid's Hero Designer || PC Builders || HC Wiki || Jerk Hackers Old Forums <||> Titan Network <||> Heroica! (by @Shenanigunner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 17 minutes ago, Scarlet Shocker said: It's a nightmare to navigate. It's a bog standard forum design, identical in layout to millions of other forums. One main page with all of the forums listed, nested links for related sub-forums, all neatly categorized and indexed. It's no harder to navigate than any other web page. You scroll up, you scroll down, you click things. If that's a nightmare, the entire Internet is, because that's the whole damn thing in a nutshell. Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luminara Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 22 minutes ago, WanderingAries said: Perhaps a (sub-title) to be added. Get busy living... or get busy dying. That's goddamn right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarlet Shocker Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 4 minutes ago, Luminara said: It's a bog standard forum design, identical in layout to millions of other forums. One main page with all of the forums listed, nested links for related sub-forums, all neatly categorized and indexed. It's no harder to navigate than any other web page. You scroll up, you scroll down, you click things. If that's a nightmare, the entire Internet is, because that's the whole damn thing in a nutshell. You have a very interesting notion of what constituted "bog standard" my friend. I've known much more technical forums laid out better than here. The fact that City of Heroes itself is a sub-forum of home strikes me as a bit weird and the sub-forums aren't well labelled. You and I are not the people who need the guidance. We've been here a long long time and we a) know our way around already and b) know it's ok to ask the question if we can't find something. BUT... and this is the most important thing - if we want newcomers to feel welcome here, navigating the place is very important. Any new community can be intimidating, and game forums especially so, given how some treat newbies. To create a deliberate obstacle with clunky layouts and sub-par descriptors isn't a good look and could easily put people off. You may disagree, which is your right to do so and I wouldn't be offended or surprised but as somebody who's spent most of my working life in sales and marketing I'm very aware of how the smallest obstacle can sour a deal in the early stages and that's not good for the game or the community. We're a little off track here, compared to my original question but I still don't see the necessity for two guides forums. Especially when one is empty! If a veteran has to ask why its there you can bet it's gonna confuse someone unfamiliar with the place and who uses guides the most? There's a fine line between a numerator and a denominator but only a fraction of people understand that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WanderingAries Posted September 11 Share Posted September 11 23 hours ago, Luminara said: Fair enough 1 OG Server: Pinnacle <||> Current Primary Server: Torchbearer || Also found on the others if desired <||> Generally Inactive Installing CoX: Windows || MacOS || MacOS for M1 <||> Migrating Data from an Older Installation Clubs: Mid's Hero Designer || PC Builders || HC Wiki || Jerk Hackers Old Forums <||> Titan Network <||> Heroica! (by @Shenanigunner) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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