When Is Hamidon? A lore question.

[vonBoomslang]

Was trying to find this info but got fairly conflicting info. Is it known exactly when did Hamidon Pasilima turn himself into the gooey enhancement dispensary we all know and love and, by extension, start the Devouring Earth? Also, do I remember correctly that the same event happened much earlier on Praetoria, meaning the man had to have been old enough for that to happen?

[Skyhawke]

[Snarky]

It immediately went through my head.  And some Skyhawke posted it first…and better.  Damn.  

[TheMoncrief]

Not sure about the time frame between Praetoria and Primal Earth. What's clear is that the Primal Earth dealt with the Devouring Earth much more effectively, possibly because the Rikti were wrecking everything including the Devouring Earth. Praetoria had no Rikti invasion. If the Rikti, and later humans using technology learned from the Rikti, were able to face the DE without using nuclear weapons, that would explain why Primal Hamidon is so much less of a threat than Praetorian Hamidon.

 

I still hold out hope for a "hard mode" Hamidon raid against Praetorian Hamidon. Holding hope, but not holding my breath.

[AlwaysAPrice]

The Devouring Earth showed up after the Rikti War, and there's reference in an arc, The Terra Conspiracy, to a raid on the Paragon Technical Institute when Hamidon was still human made by a character described as a young woman at the time of the arc (which would be 2004-ish since I think it's one that's been in the game from the start) who says she knew him before he was transformed, which suggests to me the transformation is relatively recent. I'm not sure if the Paragon Tech raid is addressed further in any in-game sources (gave up quick on digging through arcs contact by contact on pwiki), but in the story bible PDF that's out there there is some more detail that could help in figuring this out, though nothing in that is canon that wasn't actually used somewhere.

In there, that event occurs after the war (the PTI was chosen because other facilities around the world with the equipment he needed to create the Will of the Earth were destroyed by the Rikti) and it mentions that his academic standing with Oxford, where he completed a Ph.D., had "long expired after a decade of working with the radical environmentalist fringe". He's described as a prodigy but there isn't any specific mention that he got an unusually early start on his education, so could have finished at Oxford anywhere in his mid-20s to early 30s, then at least 10 years after that is the Paragon Tech raid where he exposed himself to the Will of the Earth and began his transformation, which was probably in 2003 (between the end of the war and the start of the game). Though he could still be a fair bit older than 35-40 in 2003 if more time transpired between the end of his schooling and that revocation of his credentials, I doubt Primal and Praetorian Hamidon can be hashed out to be the same age. More likely that either the same person was just born at different times on the two Earths, or maybe Praetoria's Hamidon Pasilima Sr. was the mad scientist of the family.

[lemming]

22 minutes ago, AlwaysAPrice said:

I doubt Primal and Praetorian Hamidon can be hashed out to be the same age.

I think they can, but I'll have to do some digging to see if Primal "Hamidon Pasalima" is the same.   (Based on name, probable...)

Primal Hamidon is as you say since we do have that arc for reference.  And the way timelines work in the game does make times hard to pin down though usually you can do a little time matching with level.  (Sorta, there are a bunch of exceptions)

 

Praetorian Hami may have gotten an earlier start, or just didn't get interfered with in the beginning.   I thought I might get a clue in the Number Six arc, but not so much.   And a lot of Praetorian Hami veterans in the Praetorian arcs, but their ages are all over the place, so I think we're still in the same time frame.

 

Just by going with the stub on the wiki,  I think the theory in that Hamidon was motivated to move forward quicker, and less opposition was put up with the "heroes" more concerned with their own power.    (See dialogue of the veteran describing the Rome attack by the Devouring Earth.  Cole basically used the DE to clear competition for his own ends)

 

https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Hamidon_Wars

[GM Crumpet]

6 hours ago, lemming said:

I think they can, but I'll have to do some digging to see if Primal "Hamidon Pasalima" is the same.   (Based on name, probable...)

Primal Hamidon is as you say since we do have that arc for reference.  And the way timelines work in the game does make times hard to pin down though usually you can do a little time matching with level.  (Sorta, there are a bunch of exceptions)

 

Praetorian Hami may have gotten an earlier start, or just didn't get interfered with in the beginning.   I thought I might get a clue in the Number Six arc, but not so much.   And a lot of Praetorian Hami veterans in the Praetorian arcs, but their ages are all over the place, so I think we're still in the same time frame.

 

Just by going with the stub on the wiki,  I think the theory in that Hamidon was motivated to move forward quicker, and less opposition was put up with the "heroes" more concerned with their own power.    (See dialogue of the veteran describing the Rome attack by the Devouring Earth.  Cole basically used the DE to clear competition for his own ends)

 

https://homecoming.wiki/wiki/Hamidon_Wars

Yeah I think Cole was using Hamidon for his own aims, whereas Statesman was busy with the Rikti war. We know Cole made a deal with Hamidon, and Hamidon broke the deal after Cole decided to invade Primal Earth. If Cole hadn't been so controlling his world wouldn't have fallen to Hamidon. Hamidon saw the war preparation and decided humans were too unstable and aggressive. 

[mechahamham]

My personal head-canon is that Praetorian Hamidon is the same being as Primal/Paragon Hamidon. He tries to escape becoming agriculture in The Hive by traveling through time and dimensions. He sets about becoming more powerful in Praetoria's past... only to have his incarnate avatar beaten down in UGT. He wants to become the god of nature or something like that, and is thwarted again, and again, and again.

[Techwright]

On 9/12/2024 at 11:14 AM, TheMoncrief said:

I still hold out hope for a "hard mode" Hamidon raid against Praetorian Hamidon. Holding hope, but not holding my breath.

 

That would be a very different fight as Praetorian Hamidon has physically advanced beyond the jello mould salad that his Primal counterpart is currently at. 

[hoodedKitsune]

On 9/14/2024 at 8:06 AM, Techwright said:

 

That would be a very different fight as Praetorian Hamidon has physically advanced beyond the jello mould salad that his Primal counterpart is currently at. 

Do we know what Praetorian Hamidon looks like fully?

[Britannic]

1 minute ago, hoodedKitsune said:

Do we know what Praetorian Hamidon looks like fully?

A hentai lovers' nightmare wet dream.