Thoughts on Fold Space Etiquette on Leagues and Teams

[ZacKing]

13 minutes ago, Shin Magmus said:

     This entire time you'd already convinced yourself that wherever you move and fight is right, and wherever anyone else moves and fights is wrong.  Whether they use Fold Space or not, you've already demonized your teammates in your mind because you keep using derogatory words like "very lazy".  They were never going to be able to please you, regardless of what they did.  I recommend solo play.

 

You mean kind of like your demonizing me for having a different opinion?  Like I said, you do you and play how you like. 

[Indystruck]

The AFK Jellyfish form is unironically better than the average pubbie in STO. I don't know how many times this past event I've hit every objective despite how spread out the map is while everyone just peters around. I'd rather have lazy but effective than busy but useless.

[tidge]

Fold Space may be a fun choice for some players, but I don't think it is a good strategic choice... in addition to not being fun for players that rely on certain powers. For example, location based AoE damage/debuffs, or melee attacks.

 

I want to "Yes, and" (part of) this post:

 

4 hours ago, ZacKing said:

 

I agree with most of what you said here with the exception of the highlighted part.  I honestly don't see the need to have everyone stand around having stuff teleported to them to nuke it.  I personally don't think that's fun at all, but if you do then more power to you.  Play how you like.  Just seems like a very lazy way to play where people can't even be arsed to press some keys to move around.

 

The weakest part of the "Fold Space make me a better melee, because I bring the mobiles to me!" is that Combat Teleport is a prerequisite for Fold Space, and Combat Teleport has a much faster recharge time than Fold Space, and is not subject to the RNG for a ToHit check. I explained above why I don't think Fold Space is a good choice for Tankers, so I'm trying to imagine another (non-HEAT) that wants to leverage Fold Space because of PBAoE. In all the cases I can think of (in this non-rooted armor set era) it would be better for the individual to just move and/or retarget, and it would be better for a team to organically adapt their attacks without waiting for the quasi-random use of Fold Space by one or more teammates.

 

Without invoking Hasten (a choice I would question if paired with Fold Space, among other things: because four other powers were skipped to get that combo) the recharge time on Fold Space for a level 50 is going to have a floor of something like 40 seconds? I basically want to know why the character with Fold Space is taking longer than the recharge time to defeat whatever enemies were going to be "herded" via Fold Space, and wasn't there a better strategic use of power choices and slotting to get to an end result of enemies on the floor in a shorter amount of time?

 

4 hours ago, Shin Magmus said:

     This entire time you'd already convinced yourself that wherever you move and fight is right, and wherever anyone else moves and fights is wrong.  Whether they use Fold Space or not, you've already demonized your teammates in your mind because you keep using derogatory words like "very lazy".  They were never going to be able to please you, regardless of what they did.  I recommend solo play.

 

When I see a teammate is using Fold Space, it is rare that I see them using it in a completely predictable manner. I try to figure out what their minimum recharge time is, but Fold Space never appears to be on auto. The effect it has on me (as a teammate) is that I have to pace what I am doing to accommodate the random firing of Fold Space... and often it is slowing me down because my power cadence has to account for enemies vanishing. I guess that is selfish on my part, but I don't think I'm the only selfish player in that circumstance.

[Bionic_Flea]

I think the moral of this story is that Fold Space is right if you do it, wrong if they do it.  Unless you're Tidge, then everyone who took Fold Space made a mistake!

 

😁

[tidge]

1 hour ago, Bionic_Flea said:

I think the moral of this story is that Fold Space is right if you do it, wrong if they do it.  Unless you're Tidge, then everyone who took Fold Space made a mistake!

 

😁

 

You betcha! I don't want to dismiss that folks who took Fold Space might be having fun... I had more than one character that took Long Range Teleport, so the revamp to the Teleportation pool was initially very appealing... but as accused, after working with it I now see Fold Space as a mistake!

 

[Indystruck]

my fold space: super size

your fold space: like two fries

[Uncle Shags]

For folks who dislike fold space:

 

What about a Tanker using it? 

 

Sorry for the edit:

Let's keep it basic.  Only Tanker on the team. 

Edited October 14 by Uncle Shags
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[Bionic_Flea]

Two other things I don't think were addressed before (or I missed it): 1. Fold Space and Marine Affinity and 2. Fold Space solo.

 

I recently leveled a Beasts/Marine MM on Indomitable by ToTing until 40ish and then soloing.  Man, let me tell you, there's nothing quite as satisfying as opening up on one group and then folding the nearby group into the sea with you and your pets and watching them flop and melt.

[SeraphimKensai]

The approved etiquette of using Fold Space is to:

 

1. Look for @SeraphimKensai or any of his alts. If present stand next to him then pop off Fold Space.
2. Failing SeraphinKensai's presence, then you do you.

Seriously though if you have melee on a team, a Warshade, or anyone with something like soul drain, fold space to them. Nothing worse than popping eclipse, stygian circle, or soul drain and magically not having the density around you that you had a split second before.

[Ukase]

2 hours ago, SeraphimKensai said:

Seriously though if you have melee on a team, a Warshade, or anyone with something like soul drain, fold space to them.

Maybe check with them first. 
I have a number of characters with AoE. I tend to use some form of buff before I pop in and inferno. If a teammate just dumps a group on me, I'm going to have an issue with that. 

[mistagoat]

12 hours ago, Indystruck said:

my fold space: super size

your fold space: like two fries

my fold space been there done that

your fold space sits there with a dunce cap

[tidge]

12 hours ago, Uncle Shags said:

For folks who dislike fold space:

 

What about a Tanker using it? 

 

Sorry for the edit:

Let's keep it basic.  Only Tanker on the team. 

 

My take: I like the only Tanker on the team to be paying enough attention to the area to be controlling the aggro and switching targets. The Tanker is going to need tools/strategy to deal with any enemies that aren't moved by Fold Space.

[lemming]

5 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

Two other things I don't think were addressed before (or I missed it): 1. Fold Space and Marine Affinity and 2. Fold Space solo.

 

I recently leveled a Beasts/Marine MM on Indomitable by ToTing until 40ish and then soloing.  Man, let me tell you, there's nothing quite as satisfying as opening up on one group and then folding the nearby group into the sea with you and your pets and watching them flop and melt.

That char must smell like wet dog...

[Bionic_Flea]

2 hours ago, lemming said:

That char must smell like wet dog...

I bring my own snacks . . .

[lemming]

52 minutes ago, Bionic_Flea said:

I bring my own snacks . . .

 

[ZacKing]

On 10/13/2024 at 2:17 PM, Indystruck said:

The AFK Jellyfish form is unironically better than the average pubbie in STO. I don't know how many times this past event I've hit every objective despite how spread out the map is while everyone just peters around. I'd rather have lazy but effective than busy but useless.

 

If you're referring to the new Royal Flush TFO, I very seriously doubt you're flying to each area, turning on the AFK console and wiping everything out before others even get to the objective.  There's no question the Jellyfish led to a huge increase in AFKing in TFOs.  Sounds like that's what some are looking to do with FS here.