Secondary Mutation : De-evolution

[Rudra]

6 hours ago, Xion80 said:

I agree! It should be flavor. Everyone else gets flavor for there choice. Why does my flavor come with backwash?

This is what I get (don't get?) about this post. Everyone else has the same effects when they use Secondary Mutation. You aren't being singled out and getting turned into a Rikti Monkey. So to use your analogy, everyone including you has the same flavor. You are presenting yourself as the victim. For choosing to use a power that you knew before you used it had a chance of negatively affecting you and being affected by it negatively. During combat when you already knew that the negative effect could be detrimental to your survival. So again, this is a you thing. You chose when to use the power. You gambled on the outcome and lost. You didn't account for what would happen if you got the negative result and paid the price for it. You are not the victim of the game being out to get you. If you are a victim in any capacity, it is in being a victim of your own choices.

[Ghost]

I don’t remember the last time I saw a teammate turn into a monkey 😞

[tidge]

Here I was, wondering which of my unread threads in the suggestion forum contained my weekly dose of you know what....

Edited Monday at 03:55 PM by tidge
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[Xion80]

29 minutes ago, tidge said:

Here I was, wondering which of my unread threads in the suggestion forum contained my weekly dose of you know what....

Why post when your comment is none topic related?  

[Demobot]

I turned into a monkey during a Yin TF last week. Gave the Freakshow a taste of monkey gas they will not soon forget. 

 

Personally I think De-evolution is hilarious, and I wouldn't change it. It happens rarely enough to make you forget that it's a real possibility. 60 seconds isn't that long, though it feels like an eternity if it happens in combat. 

[Xion80]

13 hours ago, Rudra said:

You are presenting yourself as the victim.

Nope,  just a gamer posting a suggestion. Now, who are you, exactly? Insulting me only confirms...nah, nevermind.

[tidge]

1 hour ago, Xion80 said:

Why post when your comment is none topic related?  

 

Sometimes I'm curious how deep a user will self-brigade an idea that has been demonstrated to be poorly considered.

[Rudra]

1 hour ago, Xion80 said:

Nope,  just a gamer posting a suggestion. Now, who are you, exactly? Insulting me only confirms...nah, nevermind.

Pointing out an argument is made with the presentation that the person is not being treated fairly ("Why does my flavor come with backwash?"), so is presenting himself/herself/themselves as a victim, is not being insulting. Disagreeing is not being toxic.

[arcane]

It almost never happens. My anecdotal experience is that it’s got to be a ~1% chance. You will be fine.

[Jiro Ito]

I disagree, I think it is fun and funny.  Funny when it happens to me, funny when it happens to a teammate.  I wish it happened more often.

[BasiliskXVIII]

I'll give you this: I absolutely hate being turned into a monkey. It's the stupidest f'kin thing ever, it takes me out of combat and keeps me from playing the game. It was worth a few laughs the first two or three times it happened on live, and then became nothing more than a "you do nothing for a minute" button.

 

So I don't go get the Secondary Mutation power. I have it on exactly zero of my characters, and I'm fine with that. I have never, and I mean not even once, felt I was missing out on anything valuable by not using it.

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

[tidge]

2 hours ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

So I don't go get the Secondary Mutation power. I have it on exactly zero of my characters, and I'm fine with that. I have never, and I mean not even once, felt I was missing out on anything valuable by not using it.

 

I've been at the point where I don't take Secondary Mutation or Mystic Fortune and (when I remember) I deactivate Mystic Fortune on myself. I'm not a hater of the potential negative effects, it is more that the rando buffs/debuffs mess with my own personal assessment of what I'm trying to do with my character as part of a team. Likewise I try to avoid exploding lab equipment... its basically that the novelty has worn off for me.

[Jacke]

If Secondary Mutation turns us into a Rikti Monkey, I wonder if we could get an appropriate jaunty hat:

 

[Xion80]

15 hours ago, arcane said:

You will be fine.

When it comes to receiving the Tower debuff we sure will. When it comes to Devolution...Nah.

 

[Xion80]

10 hours ago, Jacke said:

If Secondary Mutation turns us into a Rikti Monkey, I wonder if we could get an appropriate jaunty hat:

 

Maybe Inner Inspiration should get a negative that clears out all inspiration in a players tray?

Call that bad boy Oops!

 

Maybe Mystic Fortune should recieve a random AoE that effects all teammates in a negative manner? Call it Misfortune. 16.7% chance the whole team become Rikti Monkeys? We'll be fine. We can hold hands as we die together in the Malta fumes.

Edited Tuesday at 03:07 PM by Xion80

[Xion80]

 

10 hours ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

I see the harbinger of decorum has entered the building! 

 

 

 

Edited Tuesday at 02:27 PM by Xion80

[Xion80]

13 hours ago, BasiliskXVIII said:

I absolutely hate being turned into a monkey. It's the stupidest f'kin thing ever, it takes me out of combat and keeps me from playing the game. It was worth a few laughs the first two or three times it happened on live, and then became nothing more than a "you do nothing for a minute" button.

This part! It stopped being "fun" ages ago!

[Xion80]

22 hours ago, Demobot said:

feels like an eternity if it happens

Right! Because using it in combat is quite common just like the other two options. It used to bother me when folks cast Mystic Fortune on me during the heat of battle. (Regen here, like I don't have enough decision making clicks already)  At least we have an instant option to decline. Devolution give "those who use it" no way out.

Edited Tuesday at 03:10 PM by Xion80

[Xion80]

On 2/23/2025 at 2:24 PM, Rudra said:

It only affects the character that uses it.

This statement is false. Ever seen the "tank" turn into a monkey on that PuG group you joined running +4 PI missions, or SBB TF? I promise It will rapidly becomes an everybody problem.

Edited Tuesday at 03:59 PM by Xion80

[arcane]

I guarantee you the OP has spent far more time typing in this thread than I’ve spent as a Rikti Monkey since 2019.

[Rudra]

2 hours ago, Xion80 said:

On 2/23/2025 at 12:24 PM, Rudra said:

It only affects the character that uses it.

This statement is false. Ever seen the "tank" turn into a monkey on that PuG group you joined running +4 PI missions, or SBB TF? I promise It will rapidly becomes an everybody problem.

Do you know what happened every time anyone on a team I was on turned into a Rikti Monkey? We all laughed, including the person that turned into the monkey. And yes, sometimes it was the tank. Then we finished annihilating the enemy and moved on. With whomever was a monkey at the time calling out for the rest of us to leave him/her/them some mobs to take down as a monkey.

 

And as has been stated now multiple times in this thread, if a person chooses to use Secondary Mutation during combat, then the results are entirely on that player. The game isn't making anyone use Secondary Mutation. Other players aren't making anyone use Secondary Mutation. And if that person turned into a monkey and didn't have fun with it? (Not something I've seen but this thread tells me it has to happen at least occasionally.) Then that person will hopefully start planning for the possibility of being turned into a monkey and not use Secondary Mutation while in combat. None of its buffs are critical to any character's survival in the game, let alone a team's. Even at +4 difficulty. And if you are building your character with the buffs from Secondary Mutation as part of your build for some reason? Not saying you are, but your insistence on this topic leads me to think that maybe you are. Then you are shooting yourself in the foot because you can't control which of the six effects you get each time you use the power so you have no control over what happens with your character.

 

4 hours ago, Xion80 said:

 

Maybe Mystic Fortune should recieve a random AoE that effects all teammates in a negative manner? Call it Misfortune. 16.7% chance the whole team become Rikti Monkeys? We'll be fine. We can hold hands as we die together in the Malta fumes.

Now you're just being petty. Secondary Mutation has one effect that has any negative aspects to it. Mystic Fortune has two effects that apply a negative effect to the character it is applied to. (The Fool with its -3% ToHit chance and the Tower with its -20% max character health damage.) And Inner Inspiration only gives three inspirations not any more frequently than once every 30 minutes.

[Rudra]

3 hours ago, Xion80 said:

Right! Because using it in combat is quite common just like the other two options. It used to bother me when folks cast Mystic Fortune on me during the heat of battle. (Regen here, like I don't have enough decision making clicks already)  At least we have an instant option to decline. Devolution give "those who use it" no way out.

Oh, I so wish we could apply multiple emoji responses. This comment needs at least 6 laughing emojis. Mystic Fortune is a power someone else, not you, is choosing to use on you. Secondary Mutation is a power you, not someone else, is choosing to use on you. No equivalence. (Edit: Your ability to not be affected by Secondary Mutation is built into the power. You don't use it. Players don't get to refuse only some effects from Mystic Fortune. They either accept or decline. All of it. Secondary Mutation can be accepted or declined, by you the player choosing to use it or not use it.)

 

Edited Tuesday at 06:34 PM by Rudra

[Luminara]

4 hours ago, Xion80 said:

Devolution give "those who use it" no way out.

 

You keep going around and around in this circle as though someone were standing behind you with a gun pointed at your head, forcing you to take the power, then forcing you to use the power at the most inopportune moments.

 

Naw, dawg.  You're doing it to yourself.  Methods to deal with Devolution have been posted.  Pick one and use it instead of pissing in the wind and passive-aggressively telling everyone off for not agreeing with you.

[Xion80]

2 hours ago, Luminara said:

Methods to deal with Devolution have been posted.

Noted, but you're decision is just that. The method "YOU"decided isn't the standard.  I read your advice and disagreed with it. That was the end of that for me. You don't like green tea!? No problem!

2 hours ago, Luminara said:

You keep going around and around in this circle as though someone were

And who shows up thinking every post they disagree with is debate worthy? No one is obligated to respond to any statements made here. No of you set the standard on what is what around here.

 

A million players could be in agreement that WP is better then Regen by a thousand miles. I'm "that guy" that begs to differ, no matter what stats are posted. Doesn't mean I show up on every post trashing Regen, because of my views on the set. I keeps it moving! Didn't change my view not one iota!

 

2 hours ago, Luminara said:

passive-aggressively telling everyone off for not agreeing with you.

No sir! Be specific! Go back and read all my responses to you. You weren't "told off" in any sense of the word. Only hit dawgs holla! Your  assertation has no legs to stand on. You said your piece on the first page. How you percieved my disagreeing with it, as "telling you off" is a manifestation all your own.