I'm abandoning debuffs...

[Jacke]

12 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

So you're telling me that after being reduced by the Purple Patch and by the target's DR, damage resistance debuffs are worth using?

 

I've used some of the powers you mentioned, and the Sentinel inherent, Vulnerability, and, other than the Daggers you get from the P2W vendor, none of them seemed to noticeably affect DR on EBs, AVs or GMs.

 

The Daggers are -Regen.  -Regen and -Res are two vital debuffs that when strong enough make the difference between not defeating some AVs/GMs and defeating them.

 

Sometimes, -Def debuffs are needed too.  My 2 Rules of Thumb to using Pets effectively in City, ie. get their final ToHit on +3 Level mobs (which the Pets see as +4 Level) to 95% or close, after digging through the actual numbers and preferring not to do that again.  This is because the vast majority of Pets don't benefit from the Caster's Global Buffs (like +ToHit, +Acc, +Dam, or Incarnate Level Shifts).  This is a huge bug in MRB, so big it is effectively unfixable.

• The Pet Summon Power needs to be slotted with ED-capped Acc (94% and up).
• If the Pet has critical Powers that have less than 1.2 Base Accuracy (have to look up the Pet in CoD2 to be sure), the Caster needs
  • Tactics, even just the base Slot, even weak Mastermind Tactics.
  • Or -Def applied to the targeted mob.

That's when -Def debuff is vital.  Normally for a Toon, can use IO set bonuses to get that final ToHit on +3L mobs to 95% without -Def debuffs.  But for making Pets work their best, that -Def makes the difference.  I just made a build for a Traps/AR Defender and didn't want to include Leadership, so no Tactics.  Many of the debuff Powers use Pseudopets, so that matters to them.  The T1 Power for AR is Burst: On a hit, it applies a -12.5% Def debuff for 8s.  Which can make sure Acid Grenade gets a hit to apply more -Def and -Res.

 

 

Edited yesterday at 01:40 PM by Jacke

[Steampunkette]

Y'all... Damage Resistance Debuffs being resisted by damage resistance just keeps them in parity.

 

Let's say you've got 50% Damage Resistance and I debuff you by 20%. 50% of 20% is 10%, right? So you go from 50% Resistance to 40% Resistance.

 

Which means you go from taking 50% incoming damage to taking 60% incoming damage. Which is 20% more damage than you were already taking.

 

20% or 1/5th of 50 is 10%.

 

The purple patch -does- impact it further. But it impacts it further in the same way as it does when you hit harder.

 

So if you're hitting with a 20% debuff and the target has a 90% resistance they resist 90% of your debuff, leaving you with a 2% damage increase. (Which is 20% more damage than the 10% they're currently taking). Drop it down by .48 and it's 1.02% more damage from your perspective...

 

But still a 10% damage increase to your target, relative to the damage they're currently taking.

 

Now if you wanna argue the damage resistance debuffs are bad and need to be bigger... well... Not really. Because they stack, directly, with damage buffs on your team and make them hit even harder than they would, otherwise. Which is already enough.

Edited yesterday at 03:21 AM by Steampunkette

[Snarky]

10 hours ago, shortguy on indom said:

• GO BUFFS OR GO HOME.
• IF DEBUFFS WERE SO GOOD, NOBODY WOULD USE INSPIRATIONS.

If debuffs were so good no one would use inspirations?   
 

is there an actual logic chain that goes with this or are you addicted to bumper sticker “truths”

[Ghost]

10 hours ago, shortguy on indom said:

• GO BUFFS OR GO HOME.
• IF DEBUFFS WERE SO GOOD, NOBODY WOULD USE INSPIRATIONS.

Are you saying people with Buffs never use inspirations?

Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.

[shortguy on indom]

2 hours ago, Snarky said:

If debuffs were so good no one would use inspirations?   
 

is there an actual logic chain that goes with this or are you addicted to bumper sticker “truths”

• And it was derby day
  Was dad and me and Darrell
  Out in San Pablo bay
  Taco flavored Doritos
  And my orange life vest
  Dad caught a hundred pound sturgeon
  On twenty-pound test
  Now he fought that fish for an hour
  And a half...........
   

[shortguy on indom]

2 hours ago, Ghost said:

Are you saying people with Buffs never use inspirations?

Because that’s what it sounds like you’re saying.

• .......Darrell'd say Jump ya sons a bitch!
  And he grabbed for the gaff
  When we got him in the boat
  He measured six feet long
  I was so danged impressed I had
  To write a song called
  Fish on. - LC

[Snarky]

19 minutes ago, shortguy on indom said:

• And it was derby day
  Was dad and me and Darrell
  Out in San Pablo bay
  Taco flavored Doritos
  And my orange life vest
  Dad caught a hundred pound sturgeon
  On twenty-pound test
  Now he fought that fish for an hour
  And a half...........
   

and debuffs say:

 

My daddy left home when I was three
And he didn't leave much to ma and me
Just this old guitar and an empty bottle of booze.
Now, I don't blame him cause he run and hid
But the meanest thing that he ever did
Was before he left, he went and named me "Sue".

[shortguy on indom]

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