Eternal Phoenix IS a trademarked name???

[omegacypher]

The people running this game keep wiping my character to a generic and wiping costume as it is trade marked??

 

Just trying to figure out why I am being attacked when there are SO many doing the VERY same thing

 

no costume resets just to blank and name switched with no real info on game MOST don't go to the forums much..

 

Phoenix is a creature of Mythology NOT whoever wants to call it a trademark as well AND io have to ask if some one is complaining WHY is the name NOT locked out I bet someone is wanting to use it themselves

 

I have used my freee costume changes already so I am supposed to fly around with a bald character in general colours til I can afford the to pay for the change???

 

Edited Thursday at 03:20 PM by omegacypher
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[Troo]

Folks can use /support in-game to calmly request a double check. This is not the correct place.

 

Typically a clear copy of a famous costume will get generic'd as will a name.

If someone makes a near copy of a costume and tries to get cheeky with a different spelling of the same name, we will absolutely get generic'd.

 

That said, a name that happens to be used in some existing intellectual property with a completely different costume & backstory can be okay.

 

It is likely burdensome to address all the folks making exact copies, trying to make vulgar/offensive characters, and those who try to make funny political characters.

 

It's really not that hard to make a character that adheres to the agreements players have stated they would play by.

 

 

I have had villain characters generic'd:

• Covid-21
• 91-Divoc
• El Presidente (who looked like the current office holder even down to the tiny hands)

 

 

[Troo]

please understand, what I really wanted to respond with is below, but I a trying to be better.

 

Spoiler

 

[Kriiden]

1 hour ago, Troo said:

 

 

"...Typically a clear copy of a famous costume will get generic'd as will a name.

If someone makes a near copy of a costume and tries to get cheeky with a different spelling of the same name, we will absolutely get generic'd.

 

That said, a name that happens to be used in some existing intellectual property with a completely different costume & backstory can be okay.

 

It's really not that hard to make a character that adheres to the agreements players have stated they would play by..."
 

 

 

 

Kind of agree that this isn't the place for it, but my two cents...

The rules are pretty clear, but how which parts are enforced and at which times, depends on who is enforcing it at said time which can be slightly frustrating.

 

I'd get into this more, but as its been said, this isn't really the place for this. 

Edited Thursday at 04:44 PM by Kriiden

[starro]

Do not take it personal.  The game is protecting itself from unwanted examination by outside parties.  I have been generic'd on many names on live but only once on HC.  I thought LIVE was more restrictive than HC as most of those characters were not played in months!  I gueesed they ran some sort of script to scour the database for some criteria. 

 

All you can do is roll with it.    Maybe there is some sort of Eternal Phoenix game or character out there in movies/comics culture we have not heard about but the GM knows it and wants to avoid any copyright infringement.   

 

I say open a ticket and ask for a freebie respec in light of the situation and maybe a GM will grant or not.  OR get your character to 25/35/45 for the next respec trial or email inf between characters, etc.  or ask a guildmate for some spare inf.  

 

 

[El D]

Always found it suspicious when posts like these coincidentally lack any details on the powersets, costumes, bios, or anything about the character beyond the 'perfectly acceptable' name. It's possible the GMs were overzealous against a giant fiery bird with the name Eternal Phoenix, but if OP was running around as Eternal Phoenix the redheaded psychic in a green and yellow costume... Yeah, that's a rightfully earned bonk with the Generic Bat.

 

Also the conspiracy that the GMs generic characters because they happen to want to take certain names for themselves is certainly a statement, especially considering how many fantastic names are actively being used by player accounts. The Everlasting name release thread and Post Your Best Costumes Here thread would just be a shooting gallery of folks wondering why their posted characters got wiped if that were the case, but since that isn't happening I have to admit I've got doubts.

[omegacypher]

No bios AND Fire Temporal Manipulation fire blaster ..

 

Maybe ASK instead of accuse?

7 minutes ago, El D said:

Always found it suspicious when posts like these coincidentally lack any details on the powersets, costumes, bios, or anything about the character beyond the 'perfectly acceptable' name. It's possible the GMs were overzealous against a giant fiery bird with the name Eternal Phoenix, but if OP was running around as Eternal Phoenix the redheaded psychic in a green and yellow costume... Yeah, that's a rightfully earned bonk with the Generic Bat.

 

Also the conspiracy that the GMs generic characters because they happen to want to take certain names for themselves is certainly a statement, especially considering how many fantastic names are actively being used by player accounts. The Everlasting name release thread and Post Your Best Costumes Here thread would just be a shooting gallery of folks wondering why their posted characters got wiped if that were the case, but since that isn't happening I have to admit I've got doubts.

 

[PeregrineFalcon]

2 minutes ago, omegacypher said:

No bios AND Fire Temporal Manipulation fire blaster ..

 

Maybe ASK instead of accuse?

I recommend PMing @GM Crumpet and asking him if he would be kind as to inform you specifically why your character was genericized. Perhaps that will allow you to create the character that you want without stepping over the line that gets you hammered again.

[Nerio72]

https://onepiecefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Eternal_Phoenix

[omegacypher]

3 minutes ago, Nerio72 said:

https://onepiecefanon.fandom.com/wiki/Eternal_Phoenix

The link itself says there are 2 names "eternal phoenix" and "phoenix blade"??

 

Also if they want to trademark Phoenix at all they have a lot of history to pay for.. AND it is NOT a superhero but a sword??

[Nerio72]

That may not be the reason but it was the second thing to come up in a google search. 🤷‍♂️

 

It doesn't have to be a superhero, just the name is enough in most cases. But I think you could put in a support ticket to find out the reasons. And explain why you disagree. I would try to ask in a neutral tone tho, and not accuse. Just my opinion of course.

 

Good luck

[Attache]

I used to get heated about this even though I only had like a character or two generic'd, including Live. I just feel and felt that if someone isn't bugging you, don't bug them. Let people have their fun, narc.

And, yes, you could make a comic with a character named Phoenix tomorrow and as long as it was distinct from the Marvel property and had a different title, you'd be okay. It doesn't mean Marvel wouldn't still file a harassment suit in an attempt to bully you into submission but if you somehow had the time and resources to fight it, you'd likely be in the clear.

But Homecoming is in a difficult place with this kind of thing. An all volunteer staff and a license it took forever to get. Even back on Live, they weren't going to fight for your right for parody or satire or free expression. They're just going to air on the side of caution, zap you, and move on. It is understandable from a resources standpoint.

Sure, I think it can be kind of shitty to report someone for strictly for a name. Some people feel like real heroes and that they are "protecting the game" and what do I know? Maybe they are.  If I knew someone regularly spent their time, as a player, policing the game, I'd probably just avoid that person.

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

3 hours ago, omegacypher said:

The people running this game keep wiping my character to a generic and wiping costume as it is trade marked??

 

I wonder why?

 

 

If you get too close, you might get burned.  Just ask Icarus.

[GM Crumpet]

6 hours ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

I recommend PMing @GM Crumpet and asking him if he would be kind as to inform you specifically why your character was genericized. Perhaps that will allow you to create the character that you want without stepping over the line that gets you hammered again.

Don't drag me into it!! just because I did the generic   I know nothing!! It wasn't me guvnor!!

[GM Crumpet]

Just to clarify for newer players. Some words are so iconic that there is almost no possible use apart from the IP. Wolverine, Silver Surfer, Aquaman, Storm, Green Lantern, Superman. As you read those names I'm sure anyone with a passing knowledge of comics and movies will have an image flash into their head. Other names are also iconic but can have many other uses, so Thor, Phoenix, Hercules, and many others while having an IP associated with them also have a long history before they became iconic comic characters. As long as they don't bear any resemblance to the IP then we will allow them, especially mythological beings. Play a Greek God, just don't use the Percy Jackson version for instance. 

 

If in doubt you can always DM myself or Googly Moogly and ask if it's OK. We allow homage/parody characters. If you want clarification on why your character was hit with a generic, ask one of us and we'll tell you. Don't agree with the generic? Pop a ticket in with your reasoning and sources. We'll pass it to the Lead GM's to adjudicate.