Ironheart Trailer

[ZacKing]

Thank you Googly for helping to steer the thread back to the topic at hand.  I hope you enjoy Ironheart and do share your thoughts on it! 

[TTRPGWhiz]

26 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

Are you going to discuss Ironheart at all?  I'm assuming you've watched it.  What did you think about it?  Did it meet your expectations?  What did you think of the character of Riri Williams?  Where do you see her going in the MCU now that she's got her own show under her belt?

 

[BrandX]

Okay.  I have finished it!

 

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I still think the show is better than Echo.  Her making the deal with Mephisto still had me thinking she did the start of a Spider-Man villain arc.

 

As I watched it, I still couldn't help but wonder if the show has ignored the Blip happening.   Did she get shot during the Blip, so they survived it?  The timeline of the show just feels off.  I get it that they're moving on from it and how the people are adjusting from the Snap and then the Blip.

 

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Unlike Echo, I am curious as to how the series will continue.  Or will they just move onto Iron War?  Will Zeke become the new War Monger?

 

The show isn't terrible.  I just didn't really come to really care for Riri.  Maybe that's a limit of the six episodes?  

[ZacKing]

4 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

 

 

Thanks for the link to your extensive analysis and detailed discussion of the show.  🤣  Did it meet your expectations?  What did you think of the character of Riri Williams?  Where do you see her going in the MCU now that she's got her own show under her belt?  What did you like about Ironheart?  What part of the story surprised you the most?   Do you think it will get a second season?  What did you think of the big reveal at the end?

[BrandX]

9 minutes ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

I haven't seen it yet but it's on the list of things to binge this long weekend.

 

I personally wasn't a fan of Marvel recreating their main signature characters in the comics (and now MCU somewhat):  Spiderman (Miles), Iron Man (Riri), Wolverine (Laura/X23), Thor (Jane), Captain America (Sam).  It's not that I have something against women, dark skinned folks, or any other minority, it's just that Marvel was changing and replacing the characters I grew up idolizing.  If I recall, it really was replacing at the time as the original characters were dead or otherwise unavailable.  They ended up bringing them all back, either due to fans or because that was their plan all along.   I have grown to really like Miles Morales and Laura as characters.  Maybe Riri will grow on me, maybe not.  I'll let you know.

 

I do have to say, that really seems to be people's go to complaint whenever anyone doesn't care for a show/character.  You had to preface it with "nothing against women, dark skinned folks, or any other minority"

 

I think the real issue however is the their plan is never to bring back the old characters.  Bringing back the old characters is their back up plan for when they try to kill them off and fail.

 

Marvel basically ruined X-Men when they decided "We lost the movie rights.  Let's crap on them and make the Inhumans the new X-Men"  It didn't work.  They got the movie rights back.  And the only reason they didn't completely destroy the X-Men, was because they knew they couldn't get rid of their comics, as they were a big seller.

 

Also, there's the vote with the wallet thing.  People say that what to do, but then hate it when you do it with something they may like 😛  

[BrandX]

4 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

 

Thanks for the link to your extensive analysis and detailed discussion of the show.  🤣  Did it meet your expectations?  What did you think of the character of Riri Williams?  Where do you see her going in the MCU now that she's got her own show under her belt?  What did you like about Ironheart?  What part of the story surprised you the most?   Do you think it will get a second season?  What did you think of the big reveal at the end?

 

I'm wondering if she'll be central to Armor Wars or put on Young Avengers myself.

[TTRPGWhiz]

15 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

 

Thanks for the link to your extensive analysis and detailed discussion of the show.  🤣  Did it meet your expectations?  What did you think of the character of Riri Williams?  Where do you see her going in the MCU now that she's got her own show under her belt?  What did you like about Ironheart?  What part of the story surprised you the most?   Do you think it will get a second season?  What did you think of the big reveal at the end?

 

I don't owe you any answers, but I'm sorry my post isn't as incisive as "what else can I say but no thank you". Going forward, I'll endeavor to approach that rigorous type of critical analysis.
Cheers.

[Excraft]

10 minutes ago, BrandX said:

I'm wondering if she'll be central to Armor Wars or put on Young Avengers myself.

 

I always thought she'd fit right in with an Armor Wars project and pairing her up with Rhodey.  Maybe that's the obvious thing to do so Marvel tried for something different.  Shame that the whole Rhodey revelation was done in Secret Invasion. 

 

I agree with you that overall the show isn't horrible.  I think Secret Invasion was a lot worse.  I do like Dominque Thorne in the role.  

[ZacKing]

2 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

I don't owe you any answers, but I'm sorry my post isn't as incisive as "what else can I say but no thank you". Going forward, I'll endeavor to approach that rigorous type of critical analysis.

 

Ok but I admitted that I wasn't going to watch the show.  You have and have complained here on these very threads that nobody actually discusses these movies and shows.  Here's your opportunity to do so. 

[battlewraith]

20 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

 

I don't owe you any answers, but I'm sorry my post isn't as incisive as "what else can I say but no thank you". Going forward, I'll endeavor to approach that rigorous type of critical analysis.
Cheers.

 

Starting a thread about something you're not going to watch, tone policing the discussion, and then mocking feedback from someone who did watch on the grounds that it did not meet your critical standards--LOL. I can't see any hard distinction between this and trolling. It's bizarre.

[TTRPGWhiz]

24 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

 

Ok but I admitted that I wasn't going to watch the show.  You have and have complained here on these very threads that nobody actually discusses these movies and shows.  Here's your opportunity to do so. 

I've weighed in here and there vis a vis Riri's criminality compared to that of other MCU characters. That was the part I found most interesting to discuss. At this point in this thread's devolution, I'm not particularly interested in adding anything else.

[ZacKing]

23 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

I've weighed in here and there vis a vis Riri's criminality compared to that of other MCU characters. That was the part I found most interesting to discuss. At this point in this thread's devolution, I'm not particularly interested in adding anything else.

 

Ok no problem.  Glad you found something interesting to discuss. 😁

[JKCarrier]

3 hours ago, ZacKing said:

Are you going to discuss Ironheart at all?  I'm assuming you've watched it.  What did you think about it?  Did it meet your expectations?  What did you think of the character of Riri Williams?  Where do you see her going in the MCU now that she's got her own show under her belt?

I thought it started out a little slow, but really picked up by the halfway point, and was pretty good by the end. It doesn't measure up to "Agatha All Along" (my favorite MCU tv show to date), but I'd put it about on par with "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" or "Hawkeye".

I didn't really have any expectations, since I was completely unfamiliar with the comics character.

Riri is arrogant, stubborn, impulsive, and short-sighted. I know a lot of young people like that (and was kinda like that myself at her age), so I could relate. I was really rooting for her to overcome her limitations...
 

Spoiler

...but alas. I did appreciate that episodes 4 and 5 were devoted to just about everyone she knows, friend and enemy alike, calling her out on her B.S.
I was genuinely surprised that they "went there" with Mephisto, after all the previous rumors. I kind of wish it really had been Dormammu -- having literal Satan running around the Marvel Universe always felt a little "on the nose" to me. If he actually ends up in the next Spider-Man movie, I will laugh my @$$ off. The nerd-rage will be nuclear.

 

Where does she go from here? A second season would be welcome, but I don't have great confidence it will happen. More likely, we'll see her story play out in a "Young Avengers" series, or maybe in the next "Doctor Strange" movie. I did very much like the supporting cast -- The Hood's crew, Zeke, Zelma -- and hope they pop up in other shows/movies in the future.

[BrandX]

6 hours ago, JKCarrier said:

I thought it started out a little slow, but really picked up by the halfway point, and was pretty good by the end. It doesn't measure up to "Agatha All Along" (my favorite MCU tv show to date), but I'd put it about on par with "Falcon and the Winter Soldier" or "Hawkeye".

I didn't really have any expectations, since I was completely unfamiliar with the comics character.

Riri is arrogant, stubborn, impulsive, and short-sighted. I know a lot of young people like that (and was kinda like that myself at her age), so I could relate. I was really rooting for her to overcome her limitations...
 

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...but alas. I did appreciate that episodes 4 and 5 were devoted to just about everyone she knows, friend and enemy alike, calling her out on her B.S.
I was genuinely surprised that they "went there" with Mephisto, after all the previous rumors. I kind of wish it really had been Dormammu -- having literal Satan running around the Marvel Universe always felt a little "on the nose" to me. If he actually ends up in the next Spider-Man movie, I will laugh my @$$ off. The nerd-rage will be nuclear.

 

Where does she go from here? A second season would be welcome, but I don't have great confidence it will happen. More likely, we'll see her story play out in a "Young Avengers" series, or maybe in the next "Doctor Strange" movie. I did very much like the supporting cast -- The Hood's crew, Zeke, Zelma -- and hope they pop up in other shows/movies in the future.

 

I did like that they called her out too.   Not sure I'd say it's as good as Hawkeye or Falcon & The Winter Soldier, but those are two of my faves.  Haven't seen Agatha's yet tho.

[Starhammer]

So FWIW, I enjoyed it. I like that it's more crime story than super hero. Obviously it has supers, but the balance is more toward street level crime. It's nice to see that outside the Netflix shows. They all had the same flavor more or less. This was that topic, but something else. 

I liked that it showed characters with "woke" mindsets without the show itself beating me over the head with a woke agenda. I loved that it showed a protagonist making flawed decisions (Frankly she's more like Tony Stark in that regard than from building a suit of powered armor). I like that the side characters seemed real (or at least as realistic as is reasonable for the setting), and not just like caricatures of stereotypes. 

I think it's unfortunate that some detractors try to focus on quotes like "Would Tony Stark even be Tony Stark if he wasn't a billionaire" and proceed to talk about the cave or the mansion assault in Miami, while ignoring that Riri (and most others for that matter) are not likely to be aware of all the details of Stark's adventures and experiences the way the audience is. It's not Spaceballs, she can't just watch the Iron Man movies to know everything we do. (Maybe Deadpool can fill her in during a Team-Up)

I like that the show could be as much a villain origin story as anything, that her choices have tied her to a darkness she may never escape. Rather than the next Tony Stark, she might be the next Mandarin (or Mandarin light maybe... less calories). Maybe her finding a way to merge tech with magic draws the attention of Doom later on. Maybe not.

I'm just glad I didn't read the comics and develop prejudicial expectations that I hear left some in the audience feeling confused or let down. I got to just enjoy it for what it is, rather than lament what it isn't 🙂

Edited July 4 by Starhammer

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

I finally saw it over the long weekend and finished yesterday.

 

First: Damn you Disney+ for constantly getting stuck on the commercials!  I think you are not-so-gently encouraging me to go ad-free.  I'd rather cancel altogether.  Fix your product!

 

*AHEM*  Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

 

I found the villains much more likeable and believable than the protagonist.  Come to think of it, so were the supporting characters, even the AI friend.  For being such a super-genius, she sure does make a lot of bad decisions.  True, she is young and impulsive, but she made tragic decisions from the beginning through the very end.  I won't detail what those decisions are to avoid spoilers.  I don't blame the actors.  I blame the writers.

 

Finally, while I know of the character, I have never read any of her comics and I don't know how closely this series follows her comic book trajectory.  It seems to me that when the movie and TV writers stray too far from the source material they miss the mark.

[Starhammer]

16 hours ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

 

First: Damn you Disney+ for constantly getting stuck on the commercials!  I think you are not-so-gently encouraging me to go ad-free.  I'd rather cancel altogether.  Fix your product!

 

I feel that pain. I hate ads, probably on the level of religious zealotry. It is always worth it for me if I am going to commonly use a service to pay a couple extra bucks to get rid of the ads, just to save myself the frustration. Even if I liked the product or service being advertised, I do not want my escapist viewing experience interrupted to try to shill something at me 😕

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

I can deal with commercials.  It's the perfect time to go to the bathroom, get a snack, or check the forums!  I'm happy to ignore them to save a few bucks a month.

 

But for them to get stuck, leave me in limbo, and have to restart is unacceptable.

[tidge]

I really liked Ironheart. It had a good scale, and is obviously in the MCU.

 

8 hours ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

But for them to get stuck, leave me in limbo, and have to restart is unacceptable.

 

I see what you did there.

[BrandX]

On 7/10/2025 at 3:56 PM, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

I finally saw it over the long weekend and finished yesterday.

 

First: Damn you Disney+ for constantly getting stuck on the commercials!  I think you are not-so-gently encouraging me to go ad-free.  I'd rather cancel altogether.  Fix your product!

 

*AHEM*  Sorry, I had to get that off my chest.

 

I found the villains much more likeable and believable than the protagonist.  Come to think of it, so were the supporting characters, even the AI friend.  For being such a super-genius, she sure does make a lot of bad decisions.  True, she is young and impulsive, but she made tragic decisions from the beginning through the very end.  I won't detail what those decisions are to avoid spoilers.  I don't blame the actors.  I blame the writers.

 

Finally, while I know of the character, I have never read any of her comics and I don't know how closely this series follows her comic book trajectory.  It seems to me that when the movie and TV writers stray too far from the source material they miss the mark.

 

I wouldn't say her comic was popular, so they probably need to stray from the mark.  I think that could be a part of the reason people thought Tony's daughter should've become Iron Heart.

[GM Crumpet]

Well it was a thing. It wasn't a great thing, but it was a thing. I'm still confused as to why Riri made all the bad decisions she did, including the deal she made with Borat at the end. Really? Sascha Baron Cohen?  I can see why it has been sat on a shelf for three years and released the way it was. 

 

As for the comics, she's never been popular. They kept trying, and her current run is kind of interesting, but like Captain Marvel, she has never resonated with the comic buying public. Ms. Marvel is being pushed massively at the moment, but the Giant Size releases are more a "Hey, remember this massively popular storyline? Let's race through it in a few pages" than anything actually memorable. 

Edited July 12 by GM Crumpet