Legendary 45% softcap... True/False/Sometimes/BS?

[Snarky]

26 minutes ago, Snokle said:

 

But is it the answer to everything?

shhhh!....

[Maelwys]

26 minutes ago, Snokle said:

But is it the answer to everything?

Yes.

The trick (as we're at pains to point out here!) is knowing what the proper question is.
 

 

[Snarky]

4 minutes ago, Maelwys said:

Yes.

The trick (as we're at pains to point out here!) is knowing what the proper question is.
 

 

the question?  well.... 

Legendary 45% softcap... True/False/Sometimes/BS?

[Snokle]

7 minutes ago, Snarky said:

the question?  well.... 

Legendary 45% softcap... True/False/Sometimes/BS?

 

I am just asking questions about numbers!

[Snarky]

11 minutes ago, Snokle said:

 

I am just asking questions about numbers!

and the answer is ... 42!

[Troo]

5 minutes ago, Snarky said:

and the answer is ... 42!

 

wait.. dagnabbit

I thought for sure it was > ( {10+5} x2 )

 

[Snokle]

24 minutes ago, Troo said:

 

wait.. dagnabbit

I thought for sure it was > ( {10+5} x2 )

 

I thought the the true answer was i x -i

Edited Thursday at 02:49 PM by Snokle

[Maelwys]

55 minutes ago, shortguy on indom said:

• NOTHING WRONG WITH CHART.

• IF IT ENDS UP BEING 20%, CHART IS STILL CORRECT.

Which chart? 

The resolution of the last one you posted was so small I can't tell if it's correct or not because I can't tell what it's saying.



That said, again, absolutely none of this is rocket science.
I just spent a few minutes knocking together a quick Google Sheet showing the effect of a given set of Defence/ToHit/Accuracy buffs; including the streakbreaker:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wIsH6SWzb5uH1QZgwK0gneBodGj0LdBaM1MqGeoWe3g/edit?usp=sharing 



(anyone/everyone can feel free to make a copy and check the figures, then bin it once they realise how simple this stuff is!)

IMO the answer is that the 45% softcap (58.75% in Incarnate content) is absolutely a thing.
The real question however is whether achieving it is worth the build tradeoffs; given the prevalence of Teammate buffs/Inspirations/etc and Defense Debuffs.
(spoiler alert: the answer here is "almost never, unless you are on a toon that already has lots of Defense and DDR such as like Super Reflexes")

TL;DR:
Is it true? Yes.
Should you try and achieve it? Probably not.
 

[Troo]

12 minutes ago, Snokle said:

I thought the the true answer was i x -i

 

well at least it is not 

 

[Maelwys]

 

[Andreah]

35 minutes ago, Maelwys said:

Which chart? 

The resolution of the last one you posted was so small I can't tell if it's correct or not because I can't tell what it's saying.



That said, again, absolutely none of this is rocket science.
I just spent a few minutes knocking together a quick Google Sheet showing the effect of a given set of Defence/ToHit/Accuracy buffs; including the streakbreaker:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wIsH6SWzb5uH1QZgwK0gneBodGj0LdBaM1MqGeoWe3g/edit?usp=sharing 



(anyone/everyone can feel free to make a copy and check the figures, then bin it once they realise how simple this stuff is!)

IMO the answer is that the 45% softcap (58.75% in Incarnate content) is absolutely a thing.
The real question however is whether achieving it is worth the build tradeoffs; given the prevalence of Teammate buffs/Inspirations/etc and Defense Debuffs.
(spoiler alert: the answer here is "almost never, unless you are on a toon that already has lots of Defense and DDR such as like Super Reflexes")

TL;DR:
Is it true? Yes.
Should you try and achieve it? Probably not.
 

Also, if you are in the 9.75% chance to hit zone from an AV, if the AV is still alive long enough to have missed you 100 times, the chance a streak of misses that long even happens is less than 1 in 37,000.

[KaizenSoze]

Only thing I will add to this conversation is that the devs are obviously adding more and more mobs with heavy -defense powers.

[RCU7115]

5 hours ago, Snarky said:

i think there needs to be like 42 misses before streakbreaker kicks in.  that is the answer.

The answer is 3.

Oops wrong subject

[Forager]

I've only got 44.55% defense. How badly will this .45% impact my survivability?

[aethereal]

30 minutes ago, Forager said:

I've only got 44.55% defense. How badly will this .45% impact my survivability?

You will take approximately 9% more damage than if you had 45% defense (assuming that you are facing opponents with no +to-hit and your defense is not debuffed).

[aethereal]

2 hours ago, KaizenSoze said:

Only thing I will add to this conversation is that the devs are obviously adding more and more mobs with heavy -defense powers.

 

It's clearly the case that the devs are reacting to the overly homogenous environment of high defense by adding more things that lower the utility of defense.  It kinda blows my mind that their most-high-profile attempt to do so resulted in an even more homogeneous environment of rolling Barrier usage and that people don't call that out as a problem with the basic concept.

[Andreah]

48 minutes ago, aethereal said:

 

It's clearly the case that the devs are reacting to the overly homogenous environment of high defense by adding more things that lower the utility of defense.  It kinda blows my mind that their most-high-profile attempt to do so resulted in an even more homogeneous environment of rolling Barrier usage and that people don't call that out as a problem with the basic concept.

Yup. 

 

I suspect it's because the vast majority of people don't run that content, and the ones that do are happy with their system to deal with the gimmics.

Edited Thursday at 08:42 PM by Andreah

[Maelwys]

1 hour ago, Forager said:

I've only got 44.55% defense. How badly will this .45% impact my survivability?

If with 45% Defense; the nasty +3 AV has an 9.75% chance to hit you then with 44.55% Defense they'll have a 10.8225% chance to hit you.
So in relative terms; on average you'll be hit 11% more compared to if you had 45% Defense (10.8225/9.75=1.11)
That's why people argue that the last smidgen of Defense or Resistance before the "cap" is the most important.

But either way you'll still be getting hit on average by roughly 1 in every 10 enemy attacks. So I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

[Snarky]

2 hours ago, Forager said:

I've only got 44.55% defense. How badly will this .45% impact my survivability?

you are F-ing doomed.  Dooooooomed!

[Snarky]

1 hour ago, aethereal said:

 

It's clearly the case that the devs are reacting to the overly homogenous environment of high defense by adding more things that lower the utility of defense.  It kinda blows my mind that their most-high-profile attempt to do so resulted in an even more homogeneous environment of rolling Barrier usage and that people don't call that out as a problem with the basic concept.

shhhhh

[Snokle]

2 hours ago, Forager said:

I've only got 44.55% defense. How badly will this .45% impact my survivability?

Death

[Andreah]

1 hour ago, Maelwys said:

If with 45% Defense; the nasty +3 AV has an 9.75% chance to hit you then with 44.55% Defense they'll have a 10.8225% chance to hit you.
So in relative terms; on average you'll be hit 11% more compared to if you had 45% Defense (10.8225/9.75=1.11)
That's why people argue that the last smidgen of Defense or Resistance before the "cap" is the most important.

But either way you'll still be getting hit on average by roughly 1 in every 10 enemy attacks. So I wouldn't lose any sleep over it.

You're also more likely to be hit by things that are opposed by a different kind of defense than you have at the soft-cap. Some can get all three of their positionals soft-capped, and this handles almost everything; but often, people will only soft-cap a few types (such as S/L), and then when something shows up that isn't that type, they get hit. 

[Maelwys]

1 hour ago, Andreah said:

often, people will only soft-cap a few types (such as S/L), and then when something shows up that isn't that type, they get hit. 

 

Edited Thursday at 11:09 PM by Maelwys

[Snarky]

and there are always more attacks in bound.  always.

[Andreah]

This whole thing reminds me of CDF with the romans in the ITF. 

 

There you are, happy and snug in your 45% S/L defense, surrounded by hot men in leather outfits trying to put their swords in you. Wiff! Wiff! Wiff! They miss you over and over. Suddenly, one gets lucky and hits you. Bam! Your defense is debuffed and now they don't all have a 5-9% chance of hitting you, but much higher. Most keep missing, but another one hits! And BAM! Down goes your defense even further. They now have a 20% or more chance to hit you. And looking over the angry faces in that crowd, you know they've all been counting their many previous misses and get their very next hit on you for free -- curtesy of Streakbreaker, Inc. They all hit you with their next swings and down you go. 

 

This is why I like to be a little above the 45% marker :D