Legendary 45% softcap... True/False/Sometimes/BS?

[shortguy on indom]

[battlewraith]

Finally somebody asked a meaningful question here.

 

[Andreah]

[arcane]

The fact that someone posted a 200 DPS blaster build thinking it was built out for offense makes me feel pretty validated. IMO the case is closed. 

[shortguy on indom]

1 hour ago, shortguy on indom said:

a mix of 10%/35% or any other combo of def to tohitdebuff that sums to 45%.

cannot spin outta this one eh?

... can youuuuu dig it!

[battlewraith]

22 minutes ago, arcane said:

The fact that someone posted a 200 DPS blaster build thinking it was built out for offense makes me feel pretty validated. IMO the case is closed. 

 

I think the point of that build was that it's good enough. That this huge sacrifice in damage you make when getting some defense is not actually a big deal. Doing the math doesn't really make the case. It doesn't tell you how much of a difference it actually makes in practical terms--running radios against Championess would've given us some indication of that but you apparently didn't have the stones for it.

 

If committing to reliance on popping shaves off a minute or two from the content that I'm already facerolling--no thanks. I'd rather go marginally slower and let the build passively make that unnecessary. 

[arcane]

10 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

I think the point of that build was that it's good enough. That this huge sacrifice in damage you make when getting some defense is not actually a big deal. Doing the math doesn't really make the case. It doesn't tell you how much of a difference it actually makes in practical terms--running radios against Championess would've given us some indication of that but you apparently didn't have the stones for it.

 

If committing to reliance on popping shaves off a minute or two from the content that I'm already facerolling--no thanks. I'd rather go marginally slower and let the build passively make that unnecessary. 

Imagine coming away from reading the argument with Mez and thinking that *I* was the one refusing to provide the appropriate evidence. Could you be any more bad faith? 😂

[battlewraith]

3 minutes ago, arcane said:

Imagine coming away from reading the argument with Mez and thinking that *I* was the one refusing to provide the appropriate evidence. Could you be any more bad faith? 😂

 

Imagine tryharding over the pve of a 20 year old MMO, but here we are. 

 

The fact that the damage output on paper is higher doesn't mean that it's going to amount to anything significant in actual gameplay. Particularly if mobs are dying quickly already. What is the actual benefit of playing this way under normal circumstances? For people who prefer not to rely on popping, the downside is apparent. Also, I don't know Mez.  But you calling them out as gaslighting, saying you didn't know they were "like that", describing them as a carry, etc. came across pretty petty and cringe. 

[skoryy]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

The fact that someone posted a 200 DPS blaster build thinking it was built out for offense makes me feel pretty validated. IMO the case is closed. 

 

That you'd reply like that does mean a case is closed.  I thought you were better than that.  I was wrong.

[arcane]

3 minutes ago, skoryy said:

 

That you'd reply like that does mean a case is closed.  I thought you were better than that.  I was wrong.

Not sure what you’re talking about.

[arcane]

6 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 

Imagine tryharding over the pve of a 20 year old MMO, but here we are. 

 

The fact that the damage output on paper is higher doesn't mean that it's going to amount to anything significant in actual gameplay. Particularly if mobs are dying quickly already. What is the actual benefit of playing this way under normal circumstances? For people who prefer not to rely on popping, the downside is apparent. Also, I don't know Mez.  But you calling them out as gaslighting, saying you didn't know they were "like that", describing them as a carry, etc. came across pretty petty and cringe. 

Maybe you should leave it to people that know Mez and know what they’re talking about then.

[skoryy]

16 hours ago, Maelwys said:

See; that's exactly the sort of toon that provokes comments like "Yeah; I'm sure they have plenty of fun playing it.... but it's inefficient as heck."

Currently your main ST rotation of (CB-PV-PF-PC) is 227.70 DPS and your backup ranged rotation (CB-PV-XRB-PC) is 215.36 DPS. However just by dispensing with unnecessary set bonuses in those attacks (ignoring defense, bare minimum recharge and 95% Hit Rate vs +3s) you could easily be hitting 276.46 DPS and 278.77 DPS respectively.





Also the 6th IOs in both Atomic Blast and Atom Smasher are also just screaming out to be replaced with another damage or -res proc.
And Aim/Build Up can take up to 70.35% local recharge before the Gaussian "Chance for Build Up" IO drops below a 90% activation rate.

Actionette - Blaster (Radiation Blast) v2.mbd

Those are the kind of tradeoffs we're talking about. You're intentionally forgoing damage output in favour of defense; as well as other things like unnecessary global recharge and accuracy bonuses - although there's an argument that more global recharge is always useful to get your nuke up sooner so that one's less contentious.

(I intentionally didn't go poking at the other powers; even though stuff like unboosted Purples gives me the heebie jeebies)
  

None of this really matters outside of niche content.
You don't need high damage output; just like you don't need high defence... because the vast majority of content in CoX is ridiculously facerollingly easy.

The reason that we're continually being loud about this particular tangent is that it is disingenuous for anyone to claim that you can build a toon for softcapped defense without making non-negligible tradeoffs (such as sacrificing damage output!) - there simply aren't enough power picks and enhancement slots to get everything simultaneously.

 

 

Okay, you did the homework, I'll pop in the build later when I've got Mids available.  I get what you're saying, and you're not wrong.  You really can optimize for more damage if you're gunning for that.  Its all good.

[battlewraith]

Just now, arcane said:

Maybe you should leave it to people that know Mez and know what they’re talking about then.

By your own account, you are one of the most disliked people on the forums. So no, I won't take your word on it. 

And it should be irrelevant to this discussion. People shouldn't be disparaged for holding a viewpoint you don't like.

[arcane]

2 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

By your own account, you are one of the most disliked people on the forums. So no, I won't take your word on it. 

And it should be irrelevant to this discussion. People shouldn't be disparaged for holding a viewpoint you don't like.

I disparaged Mez for lying and deliberately obfuscating objective reality. No one was disparaged for opinions. Do you have anything truthful to say?

 

FYI: the old blurb about me being the most hated person on this forum was stated because I objectively lead the pack on down thumb emoji reactions. I have also been on forums where I had the highest reputation score on the forums. So I generally attribute that statistic to half a dozen people on this forum that have been after me for years, since there isn’t a broader trend. Not really a big deal to me.

Edited 11 hours ago by arcane

[battlewraith]

2 minutes ago, arcane said:

I disparaged Mez for lying and deliberately obfuscating objective reality. No one was disparaged for opinions. Do you have anything truthful to say?

LOL you're doing so well on your own. I don't think I need to add anything.

[arcane]

3 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

LOL you're doing so well on your own. I don't think I need to add anything.

Have you ever addressed any criticism or made an argument ever? I have never seen you post anything but pointless insults and sniping. 

[battlewraith]

1 minute ago, arcane said:

Have you ever addressed any criticism or made an argument ever? I have never seen you post anything but pointless insults and sniping. 

 

22 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

The fact that the damage output on paper is higher doesn't mean that it's going to amount to anything significant in actual gameplay. Particularly if mobs are dying quickly already. What is the actual benefit of playing this way under normal circumstances? For people who prefer not to rely on popping, the downside is apparent.

 

 

[arcane]

Oh, you posted something that didn’t disagree with anything I said. Good job I guess.

[GM Crumpet]

locking this thread as it's got way off topic