I want to Assasin's Strike this facist turd.

[BasiliskXVIII]

Paolo Tirelli is an Italian national and political dignitary. As he is directing operations of a militant organization operating on US soil, this makes them a foreign-backed terrorist organization. Even if they aren't recognised as such by the state department, there is leeway for federal enforcement groups such as the FBI to treat crimes as such, and as deputised members of the FBSA, it stands to reason that heroes might be extended that same right.

 

As a recruiter for an FTO, the recruiter is potentially in violation of 18 U.S.C. § 2339B (material support to a designated FTO) and § 2339A (material support for terrorist acts) both apply to groups “foreign in origin or control.” The Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA) would also require anyone acting under Tirelli’s direction to register as an agent of a foreign principal; failing to do so while engaging in political or paramilitary activity would itself be a federal crime.

 

Further, as the Council soldiers are concealing long guns, which is absolutely illegal in the state of Rhode Island, the recruiter could be subject to conspiracy charges since armed accompaniment in furtherance of a cause would suggest coordinated unlawful activity rather than mere speech.

 

In any normal real-world scenario, the police response to a recruitment drive like this should be expected to be immediate and forceful. The recruiter wouldn't be let off the hook simply because he's not an active combatant. And when Spider-Man regularly detains even unarmed burglars in the commission of robberies, it seems fair that our heroes could do the same when, by the standards established by the game, it is expected that our heroes are using non-lethal force against enemies by default. 

[Jacke]

9 hours ago, Rudra said:

There is still the concern of them being unarmed noncombatants though.

 

But they are not hors de combat, unable to participate in fighting.  Even under our Internation Laws of War, they would be considered a combatant.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hors_de_combat

 

 

[Rudra]

3 minutes ago, Jacke said:

 

But they are not hors de combat, unable to participate in fighting.  Even under our Internation Laws of War, they would be considered a combatant.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hors_de_combat

 

 

Don't trust wikipedia. Every year when we had our annual Law of Armed Conflict mandatory training, one thing always held up: if someone was unarmed and not attacking us, we could not shoot them. They were for all intents and purposes noncombatants. We could detain if necessary, yes, but not shoot.

[Jacke]

Just now, Rudra said:

Don't trust wikipedia. Every year when we had our annual Law of Armed Conflict mandatory training, one thing always held up: if someone was unarmed and not attacking us, we could not shoot them. They were for all intents and purposes noncombatants. We could detain if necessary, yes, but not shoot.

 

I had them too (retired now).  I'd say someone recruiting for an active combatant organization could be detained indeed.

 

 

[Snarky]

On 11/5/2025 at 3:38 PM, kelika2 said:

isnt using power and influence to get your way and force others to think like you fascism?

no

[kelika2]

7 hours ago, Snarky said:

no

yeah but whats it called when the opposite team uses power and influence to change others?

[Steampunkette]

5 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

yeah but whats it called when the opposite team uses power and influence to change others?

Authoritarianism.

 

Fascism is a more complex issue than "Using power and influence to change things"

 

Fascism, specifically, is a hypernationalist right wing authoritarian political philosophy which uses xenophobia and othering to scapegoat minority groups or outgroups for national problems. It protects corporate power while specifically undercutting labor laws and protections, involves rampant cronyism, corruption, and sexism. And works to use the targeting of minority groups to roll back human rights as part of a campaign focused on 'restoring law' by expanding the immediate power of both the military and the police for use by the state to enforce control. It's also marked by a disdain for intellectuals and the arts while doing its best to hearken back to a fictitious 'Golden Age' of art and society. 

 

Please. Learn more.

[kelika2]

11 minutes ago, Steampunkette said:

Authoritarianism.

 

Fascism is a more complex issue than "Using power and influence to change things"

 

Fascism, specifically, is a hypernationalist right wing authoritarian political philosophy which uses xenophobia and othering to scapegoat minority groups or outgroups for national problems. It protects corporate power while specifically undercutting labor laws and protections, involves rampant cronyism, corruption, and sexism. And works to use the targeting of minority groups to roll back human rights as part of a campaign focused on 'restoring law' by expanding the immediate power of both the military and the police for use by the state to enforce control. It's also marked by a disdain for intellectuals and the arts while doing its best to hearken back to a fictitious 'Golden Age' of art and society. 

 

Please. Learn more.

at the end of the day you are two humans with differing views but have the same tools and each side thinking they are right

you can pretty it up however you want because they did it too

and the reason why you are so damn bold in typing that message is because you probably have more people on your side not wanting to ascend past both

[Steampunkette]

6 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

at the end of the day you are two humans with differing views but have the same tools and each side thinking they are right

you can pretty it up however you want because they did it too

and the reason why you are so damn bold in typing that message is because you probably have more people on your side not wanting to ascend past both

At the end of the day you are a person who values being uninformed and ignorant who is trying to convince someone who has a better grip on the topic at hand that you, somehow, through innocent and simplistic terms, are in a better position to provide a clear understanding of social dynamics...

 

And also do so while trying to dictate my motivations and intentions without knowing fuck-all about me as a person.

 

Is it so blissful to be both willfully ignorant and eager to share it with the world? 

Edited 9 hours ago by Steampunkette

[kelika2]

1 hour ago, Steampunkette said:

At the end of the day you are a person who values being uninformed and ignorant who is trying to convince someone who has a better grip on the topic at hand that you, somehow, through innocent and simplistic terms, are in a better position to provide a clear understanding of social dynamics...

 

And also do so while trying to dictate my motivations and intentions without knowing fuck-all about me as a person.

 

Is it so blissful to be both willfully ignorant and eager to share it with the world? 

The point I was trying to make from the start is that they are both sides of the same coin but dont want to use specific names or backpedal and hope everyone else does not get it.

Now, because I am not agreeing with you that makes me against you, I can tell that from the multiple personal attacks in a single post.  Belittling me was a form of trying to use power and influence to become dominant.

 

Excellence was never destined for this thread from its inception.

[Snarky]

2 hours ago, Steampunkette said:

Authoritarianism.

 

Fascism is a more complex issue than "Using power and influence to change things"

 

Fascism, specifically, is a hypernationalist right wing authoritarian political philosophy which uses xenophobia and othering to scapegoat minority groups or outgroups for national problems. It protects corporate power while specifically undercutting labor laws and protections, involves rampant cronyism, corruption, and sexism. And works to use the targeting of minority groups to roll back human rights as part of a campaign focused on 'restoring law' by expanding the immediate power of both the military and the police for use by the state to enforce control. It's also marked by a disdain for intellectuals and the arts while doing its best to hearken back to a fictitious 'Golden Age' of art and society. 

 

Please. Learn more.

Thank you.  I provide Snark, not education.  This was well written.  

[lemming]

5 hours ago, kelika2 said:

Excellence was never destined for this thread from its inception

Sure it was.  It was a completely in game thread except you went for the derail.

[kelika2]

15 minutes ago, lemming said:

Sure it was.  It was a completely in game thread except you went for the derail.

why are some people so willing to murder unarmed unpowered people because they dont like what they are saying?

how is this even a suggestion for the game?

[lemming]

27 minutes ago, kelika2 said:

why are some people so willing to murder unarmed unpowered people because they dont like what they are saying?

how is this even a suggestion for the game?

See, that could be a better response, though Rudra covered it fine by now.

 

And really, we don't know these guys are unpowered, but they just run.    Now in a reasonable society, they would just be arrested.

And what they're doing is recruiting for a criminal organization that engages is murder, etc...   They're not clean.