Neiska

I generally go by the saying - “know the water you choose to swim in.” If you are in a pvp zone, you are in essence consenting to it with your presence. You can “ask” others to leave you be, but it’s ultimately their choice. If they want to pvp, it’s certainly within their prerogative to do so. Another way I think of it as a non-pvper, is that if I’m in a pvp zone, I’m a guest in “their” house, or on “their” turf. Now, I have pvp’d before, but mostly it’s just goofing off with friends, chasing each other with wifflebats and the like. But the good news is, is the penalty for losing pvp is nonexistent. You can immediately respawn and leave if it’s not your bag. And the few times I have gotten involved with the pvpers it honestly wasn’t an unpleasant experience. I feel kind of bad for them at times, as far as I’m aware there has been next to zero pvp things added on HC. (I could certainly be mistaken here, not a pvper.) It might be neat if there was a tournament or league for those players to participate in. Like something that resets every few months and they could win titles or something.

My knowledge of game coding and such is pretty limited. Kind of bummed it's not really possible without making a whole new power, which is unfortunate.

Now I find myself wondering if the best fix would be just to give an option with Null to make group fly apply to just yourself and pets. That way the onus isn't on everyone else, but the person who want's the power. The person who uses the power themselves can just select "affect other players off." Kind of an everyone wins solution. The player who wants group fly will have it. So will their pets. Other players who don't wish to be affected won't be randomly by strangers. If the player is going to do an activity that group fly is needed, like Hami, they can always turn it back on when they decide to do that activity, then turn the affect team off again when they are done.

Ya but no. No one is dumping on a player for picking a power. They are dumping on the player for using a power that negatively affects others and then crying when they get booted from the team after being asked to stop but didn't. And in many people's opinion, rightly so. And now it's being turned into "help they are poking fun of me for my poor decisions!" and "no, I can use this power whenever I wish, others have no right to complain they are negatively affected by it!" Spoiler alert - if YOU pick a power and USE it and it NEGATIVELY affects other people and continue to do so after being asked to stop, then YOU are the problem here. The fixes is fairly simple - either play alone, make your own team, or god FORBID - actually ASK in team chat "hey anyone mind if I use group fly" before using it. Because, you know, apparently trying to play and team well with others is such a hardship. But NOoo... instead it's - "How DARE they not abide by my personal choices that affect them negatively! Quick! TO THE FORUMS! THE INTERWEB SHALL MOST CERTAINLY HEAR OF THIS!"

I care more about the enjoyment, the team getting along, and how much bs is in the mission/arc than the reward. If I want rewards, I can get much more my way on my own. Not saying they can’t be adjusted, it’s just not a priority for me. If my focus is on getting resources, I’d just rather do it alone.

Three thoughts- 1. The forums and discord need not be either/or. Many use both. 2. For all the claims of ages of users, I am interested in the source of this claim. Pray tell, let’s see some sources and citations on that. 3. My third and final thought is how in the heck is this thread still going?

I heard you really have to watch out for sitting down before the last person gets up!

Normally, I might agree. But when you use a power that affects more than one person, it’s not just about you anymore. And it’s not on everyone’s else (especially mid-mission) to use the Null option. Instead of being indignant and self centered, persons who are asked to turn it off by the team or leader should do so. Some teams may not mind it. I suspect most will. Personally, if a team leader asks me not to use a power, be it group fly or something else like fold space, then I don’t. That’s what being part of a team is. Even if such powers make YOU better, but is a detriment to everyone ELSE, then it’s a net loss. And it’s the leaders call to use it or not. And if you use it after being asked to stop, they are well within their right to remove you, because you are being a detriment to the team as a whole. It can be argued that anyone who wishes to use group fly on teams without the risk of getting booted can make their own team. Which is far easier for everyone involved than automatically expecting/demanding everyone uses the Null so you can use an optional power that is actually a detriment to a great many builds and powers.

a EM tank hits fairly hard for ST, and the AOE isnt terrible with the spin. My main tanker is EM/Bio, with both EMs strong ST damage and Bios damage boost it performs fairly well, particularly for a tanker.

Do agree that with whats already been said - Tankers tend to do better these days, better survivability, more aoe, etc. That said if you have your heart set on brute, my best brute is Savage/Bio. Bio is strong by itself, and savage works very well with it. First fury affects the bleed/dot damage, and its recharge boost makes bio even better. Others are good too, but that was my best Brute.

Snarky, I am curious. Do you just have a folder full of countless nosfetatu pics and memes to just whip out for any occasion? Just wondering. 😆

I take fold space sometimes, usually on my MM or my Crabby. When I use it I make sure to plant my butt next to the tank, or look for opportunities to pull more things into the aoe from the dps. Personally, I consider pulling mobs away from the tanker to be poor form. There are a few neat uses though. I like dropping an Omega Maneuver which taunts, then use fold space to pull more things in. My biggest gripe about fold space is its random targeting. Sometimes it hits things already on the tank, sometimes it hits things far away. Seems a bit random. I wish there was a bit more control, as in you could select a group or area to affect. That would allow for much more precision and control of what it affects.

So much for the legendary courtesy and manners of the Nosferatu, speak words we all understand!

Both Bots and Demons will be good. Demons/EA will be more durable, but Robots has more tactical options, IMO. Group fly and such. But a Demons/EA is one of the toughest MMs you can have, and honestly one of the toughest ATs you can make as far as staying power goes.

I wonder if there is a way for them to add a "toggle off" ability under such powers that affect other players. IE a way for them to turn it off when affected by such a power on the fly. Group Fly isn't the only power that causes problems when used on other players when it isn't wanted. And I don't mean Null the Gull, I mean if for example, they could have an extra button pop up somewhere when affected by team powers to turn it off then and there. There are also a few powers that can, well, be used in ways perhaps not intended, such as Teleport Target. There are certainly others as well that I will not mention here, but I am sure those in the know, know which one's I am talking about. AKA The "trolling tools." Not trying to add to the "is it right or wrong" topic, more wondering if it's possible for them to do something like that.

EA is indeed strong. By strong I don’t mean big numbers. It’s strong in the following ways - 1. Group status protection. Not unique to EA, but it is very noteworthy to have. 2. Group absorb. Not just for you and pets, but teammates as well. 3. AoE healing. Not the strongest of heals, but it’s fairly cheap to use and very fast to reuse. 4. Pretty much infinite endurance for you, your pets, and your team. This alone makes EA welcome on many teams. 5. An AoE -10% damage, and a single target 20% damage DeBuff, and yes these can stack. So EA is pretty much one of the best MM support secondaries. In my opinion it really begins to shine after incarnates, because usually people take status protection or endurance destiny, but you already have those. So you are free to pick barrier or-def protection, not something that many other builds can boast. So if you are looking for big numbers, EA may disappoint. But my EA MMs have outlived some tanks before, due to everything mentioned above and bodyguard mode. An EA MM has multiple layers of survival- +RES Heals Absorb Bodyguard mode Status protection End to spare These combined all in one neat little package is not something everyone can boast. And can be pushed even more, depending on your primary. EA powers are fairly fast to recharge, which some believe makes it a busy set. It “can” be, but doesn’t have to be. If your shield is up, no one needs healed, and End is good, you don’t “have “ to use a power. Sometimes I’ve found myself using non-EA abilities often. EA is a survival and support focused set. Not everyone likes that style, and that’s okay. But in terms of durability, EA is one of the best secondaries.

If you are working with your team, instead of against them, they will do the most of that for you. If your bots are in melee of the AV, then your tank/brute isn't doing their job, or possibly your group fly is making that more difficult than it needs to be? Either way, considering your attempt at ad hominem, coupled with your "me me me me", you proved yourself not worth my time responding to you further.

A fine scenario, but somehow I doubt that is how it went down. At all. He refused to turn it off and got kicked after all.

Not when you are on a team it isn't. If you are, you know, playing as part of a team and not someone self obsessed insisting everyone revolves around you, that rarely happens. I used to 3 box robo mms, even wrote a guide. Think I am pretty well aware of what you can and cannot do with them, thank you. Pretty sure you are just being a jerk in the situation. It isn't on others to opt out of a power that you don't have to use, and the team leader was well within his right to boot you for not turning it off when asked. You want to use it on teams? Make your own. But don't be shocked when people leave.

The irony of using powers that affect others, and then insist its OTHER people who are demanding accommodation, when its a power of connivence at best, entirely optional, vs several powers and builds like seismic that can't actually function when not on the ground.

But you are imposing upon others the choice to op out of a power you choose for yourself, and an entirely optional power at that. Not an argument that holds water, to my mind. Its like playing your music really loud and then getting upset when people ask you to turn it down, saying no, and then getting offended when no one invites you to parties anymore.

My two cents - On the fence with this one. I use it myself but consider it a “best for solo” tool. If you ability only affected yourself, then sure. Go for it. But since it affects other people, it’s not just you here either. Yes, null the full is a thing. But so are other team activities that might use it, like Hami. Personally, I don’t really use it in teams because there really isn’t a need to in most circumstances. But if the leader asked me to turn it off, then I would. You may feel differently, and that’s okay. But, just as you are free to use that power as you like, then so too that extends to the team leader not wanting it used, and is within the circumstances to remove you from the team. If you want to use it in a team setting, then either clear it with the leader beforehand or you can also make your own team. But don’t be surprised if you have people leaving either.

Random thought but is it possible that people are browsing the forums from work or something and just don’t log in? That would show up as a guest, right? Just saying it might be something simple. I know I don’t log into forums and things from my work computer, but I might browse the forums at lunch.

Honestly Snarky, you should start your own collection of these stories in one place. Like a Journal or Log, all in the same place for easy reference. You could even narrate them if so inclined. I did something similar in ESO for a time. People seemed to enjoy my silly stories told from the viewpoint of my character, not me the player.