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  1. Blackfeather
    I've actually touched on this in the past in this thread of mine on how to improve Sleeps. Adding in some "secondary effect" related to the kind of Sleep made the most sense to me, hence the whole idea about summoning ice formations that enemies would need to break out of when Flash Freeze is activated. I'd envision something similar for Earth Control's Salt Crystals, due to them being similar-ish in nature, summoning fragile formations for enemies to break. For more traditional "making enemies sleep" (e.g. Mass Hypnosis/Mesmerize), I'm a fan of the idea of causing enemies to sleep on the floor, forcing them to stand up before acting.
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    Honestly, so long as Shiver has the potential to inflict a status effect across multiple enemies that can temporarily subdue them for a short amount of time, I really wouldn't mind what status effect it'd end up being. It'd carry the main intent of the change: to provide Ice Control with another way of managing alpha strikes to some degree, without being 'as good' as the other Control powersets, which lack that -Recharge aspect. I went with Holds primarily for a few reasons: Harder to stack than Confuse, given the presence of Arctic Air Has the largest amount of potential for procs = larger damage source Is the same as Neurotoxic Breath, which seems to be Shiver v2.0
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    If it's anything, I'm pretty sure the Pocket D VIP pass was something available in the P2W store for the same price - given that said power was subsumed into LRT, I think it makes sense, so long as it just unlocks LRT and doesn't open up all the teleportation locations at once.
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    I did ping you to bring your attention to this thread for a reason. 😉 Like I've said previously... I'll also throw in my own personal experiences: I happen to like how cones play, and I see Shiver's shape as a feature, not a bug. While I'd be fine with it adopting a similar duration behaviour to how Blaster!Shiver works, I myself would find the power less appealing to use if it wasn't a cone. Given your stance on Shiver, it kind of leaves me wondering why you're personally not that sold on a 50% chance to Hold in it. You've mentioned this: But I don't really see how it being a big departure is a problem in of itself if it's solving tangible problems that you've got with the power, namely of it being easier for you to use at range than close up. Having a 50% chance to Hold gives plenty of incentive for it to work as an early alpha breaker (and from a distance at that), something that Ice Control is heavily lacking in outside of Flash Freeze.
  5. Blackfeather
    Hmmm...to be fair, most Control powersets have a single target Hold and an AoE Immobilize - these same things apply to them: Ice Control isn't really unique in that regard. That leaves Arctic Air and Ice Slick: Arctic Air is indeed quite potent, but so are other AoE Confuses in other powersets E.g. Seeds of Confusion and Synaptic Overload Unlike the others, it provides enemies with an opportunity to attack before it sets in Ice Slick is effective at mitigating damage, but not really sure it constitutes a part of an attack chain Unlike Fire Control's Bonfire, it doesn't actually do damage While we've all different methods of looking at this issue, I, along with @Galaxy Brain, @WindDemon21, and @oedipus_tex all do seem to agree that Ice Control is lacking in damage compared to the other Control powersets. Of course, some of this is offset by its secondary effect of -SPD, and naturally that's something to keep in mind. But I don't think that balance is quite there yet, and as such needs looking into.
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    Hey there! That's exactly how it'd function - take a look at Force Feedback in Earth Control's Earthquake: it has a chance of going off upon activation. In fact, I'm pretty sure it'd be impossible for it to function in any other way, due to the power being a pseudopet. Talked about this to @Razor Cure a while back here. Out of curiosity, why would creating fragile ice formations along with Flash Freeze be overpowered? It's basically designed as a means of occupying enemies for a little while, even if they prematurely break out of a Sleep, if only for a few moments.
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    Eeeeeeeeeh. Yeah, I know what set you're talking about: Earth Control. Going to point out that Earth Control shared the same issues with Earthquake and their AoE Immobilise and Knockdown cancellation, along with the fact that their own PBAoE Sleep similarly conflicts with it (and frankly, Salt Crystals could do with a similar change to the one I'm proposing with Flash Freeze). I've already explained my case for why Shiver and Arctic Air don't conflict: the 135 degree wide cone means that the user's basically hitting all your desired targets regardless of distance - take a look at how effective even melee range cones are at slightly smaller degrees, and then multiply that by the fact that it can reach further distances. It's one of the widest ranged cones in the game, if not the widest. I'm going to point out that none of those videos have Shiver actually being used in them - I don't think it's fair to make assertions about how a power can't be used at a close distance if the videos in question don't directly dispute that. 😛 Plus, even if your statements are accepted as accurate (i.e. that Shiver doesn't fit into any rotation well, and it's unwieldy at close range), that's frankly an argument for giving Shiver more ways of being useful. In this case, as a semi-reliable opener by having a 50% chance of a Mag 2 Hold. That'd give it a defined place in a rotation (locking some enemies down before getting into range), and solve the whole close range business (which I personally don't see as an issue given my aforementioned reasoning) at the same time.
  8. Blackfeather
    That's basically how Poison's Neurotoxic Gas works (25% chance for Mag 2 Hold via choking) - where do you think I got the idea of giving Shiver a 50% chance to Hold in the first place? Naturally, I'd be 'inspired' by Shiver v2. 😉 Though I'll say that I think that a guaranteed chance for lockdown would probably be a bit much, and I think @oedipus_tex and @th0ughtGun might agree on that. The former since they're fine with Flash Freeze being the only "alpha-breaker" in the set, and the latter because that might make Ice Control overly potent in the initial control department.
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    I'm going to point out that Shiver is wider than the buffed Shadow Maul that the HC team implemented a while back, bumping it up from 'bad' to 'really good' - and at 'only' 120 degrees to Shiver's 135. Even Katana's Flashing Steel, one of the widest melee cones in the game at 130 degrees is narrower by a small margin. Both powers work excellently in melee range, and are both targeted in nature. I'd argue that if they can do so, Shiver belongs in the same category as them, if not higher, with the unique benefit of having a much higher range than them. While either of those two proposed changes would certainly make Shiver easier to use, I'd argue that it was designed from the start to work excellently regardless of distance of use from the enemy, and is thus not that needed. Plus, and this is of course going to be subjective, but I happen to like cone powers, and would prefer to keep one of the best examples of them around. 😛
  10. Blackfeather
    If it were any other cone than Shiver, I'd be inclined to agree with you...but it has a 135 degree arc, one of the widest ranged cones in the game, if not the widest. When Gale, with its 80 degree cone can push plenty of enemies away from point blank range, I don't really see this as an issue. If anything, I'd argue that the devs gave Shiver such a wide arc intentionally, because they were aware that Ice Control involves staying up close to enemies a lot of the time via Arctic Air. That being said, I'd be fine with getting rid of any damage additions proposed in my original post for @Galaxy Brain's proposal, or something along those lines - it sounds pretty interesting, if it could be implemented. Long breakfast, huh? 😛
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    Hmm...I'll admit I'm relatively fine with what Shiver's able to hit at the moment - given how wide of a cone it is, it works well even at close distances (comparatively, Gale, even with its smaller 80 degree cone, is more than able to knock away any enemies that come close to the player), but those do sound like interesting changes. I think the biggest one would be one of the 180 degree melee cones (such as Pendulum), but as for cones with a proper range, I'm fairly sure Shiver is the highest - 135 degrees is a lot.
  12. Blackfeather
    To my knowledge, Mids hasn't been updated for i27 yet - might be a good idea to wait for it.
  13. Blackfeather
    I actually quite like Shiver's cone - it's one of the widest cones in the game, not including the melee outliers like Pendulum (180 degrees), wider than Gale (80 degrees) and Regrowth (90 degrees). If anything, I think its width was designed knowing that an Ice Controller would be primarily in the thick of things. Having Shiver's potency taper off during that minute instead of wearing off after 18 seconds would be quite nice, and @WindDemon21 did mention they wanted a longer duration themselves - I can get behind such a change. I do think that a 50% chance for a Hold in Shiver has a few benefits: Lower level access to preventing alpha strikes to some degree Potential place to slot procs for additional damage Provides an alternative to taking Flash Freeze if AoE Sleeps don't appeal
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    Oh, absolutely - I wouldn't want Ice Control to be overly damaging, especially with its focus on gradual lockdown. @Galaxy Brain's entire proposal could basically replace any of the damage changes brought up in the OP, I think, though would be a matter of fleshing it out further and so on. Ice Control definitely has a lot of means of debuffing -Recharge/-Movement. @oedipus_tex did mention something about having a fraction of Ice Control provide irresistible debuffs, which might be an interesting thought though, at least for semi-locking down tougher targets like AVs. Not sure how large of an amount that should be though.
  15. Blackfeather
    Definitely understandable! Have fun, and much thanks for the HC team's hard work. 🙂
  16. Blackfeather
    Speaking about that, I messaged you a little while back in PMs about posting the specific formulas involved with that on the HC Wiki club forum - you mentioned reminding you about it here. Would definitely be interested in seeing them!
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    Yup, for instance, check Blasters on the wiki, and expand the Modifiers section on the right.
  18. Blackfeather
    Scale refers to base duration, before AT modifiers are applied, to my knowledge.
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    Exploration badge hunting! I was meaning to do so before the patch rolled in proper, but never got around to it.
  20. Blackfeather
    That does sound interesting! I will say that I generally treat the AoE Holds as something that's barely used - emergency buttons for when things are going south to help the team catch their breath. Changing it in this way would probably lend it a good amount of flexibility...would be interested in @SeraphimKensai's thoughts on this proposal, given their post on AoE Holds a while back.
  21. Blackfeather
    It's definitely interesting how both our proposals attempt to address similar aspects of Ice Control that are currently somewhat lacking (that is: providing a means of mitigating alpha strikes to some degree, along with additional damage). In my case, it was via providing Shiver with a chance to Hold, and some additional damage, along with further slotting options for other powers. I will say I do like the route you went going about this though, with a chance to Hold depending on the amount of -Speed/-Recharge stacked on an opponent! It's also neat seeing parallels in Shatter to the proposal I made with Flash Freeze (i.e. summon ice formations that enemies break out of if they wake, deal damage to them if prematurely destroyed). Absolutely food for thought, thanks! 😄
  22. Blackfeather
    Mwahahahahahah! Like I said, imagine the changes. Goodbye, PvP tab-targeting. 😈
  23. Blackfeather
    I think you've misunderstood me: I'm well aware that Flash Freeze works as a means of stopping alpha strikes. The point I'm trying to make here is the case for adding damage to Shiver: you said that you preferred not to have damage added to it due to due how it'd wake enemies up from being slept (i.e. via Flash Freeze). I'm suggesting that that's not really an issue, since all you need to do is wade into the crowd with Arctic Air, wait for it to kick in, and then use Shiver - enemies are woken up, but it doesn't matter, since they're confused. As an added bonus, the damage tacked onto Shiver helps with one of Ice Control's pain points: low damage. I originally had Shiver at a 50% Mag 3 Hold, but @Coyote for example wasn't that comfortable with it in their first post in the thread. Similarly, @th0ughtGun was quite on the fence about the idea. Given that feedback, I thought that reducing the magnitude to 2 was a good compromise, providing some level of initially locking down mobs, without bringing it to the level of other powersets. Take a look at their posts - I'd be interested in your thoughts on what they have to say!
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    I believe they can be customised that way if you use the Minimal FX option for them.
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    Going to put this over here.
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