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This routine again ok here we go again- Nobody said you can't give criticism, but you know what isn't criticism? Most of the replies in this thread. It's mostly just trashing the idea, pretending they've never heard of hardcore in an MMO setting before and therefor it shouldn't happen, and a lot of wild assumptions on why this cannot possible be done. Barely is there at any point in this thread criticism of any actual idea presented. It's mostly just people, like you, dismissing the way someone else enjoys the game as a waste of developer time or stupid. Here's a idea for you, you don't like an optional feature? Don't fucking do it.

Did i miss that being a requirement for a suggestion? Did i miss a developer asking to see those first?

You're being really disingenuous with that comparison. This isn't an outlandish idea that is a new concept.

"Developers would need to develop to create this feature" You don't have to change lore or power selections or anything. It's just an optional experience, it doesn't need to tie into the story.

I'm sure OP would be fine with a checkbox too, What he wants is pre-established enforced rules to prevent cheating in the community. Not every suggestion has to always be the initial ask, it can be discussed and brainstormed into better and easier ways to include things, the true actual purpose of these forums. I misread your last part there, my bad. removed it 😞

I forgot entirely we have something closeish already with PvP warriors or w/e, a checkbox enabling different rulesets. A checkbox at creation would be ideal, though i do worry about allowing them to join TF's with non-HC people and dying in it and making the TF be down a person. I think you'd have to not allow them to team with non-HC players. (at least for TF's) Or maybe if they die, the HC ends but they're allowed to keep playing the toon if they like. Would also remove the danger of making a TF be down a person.

It works fine for CoH, no idea why you'd suggest this. Took five seconds to find 100s of them, you should probably do any amount of research before making claims. ( I think you're just bad at Dark souls) Many many game studios actively seek out streamers as a form of advertising, this method is backed by increases in player counts/store subscriptions/meal plans/whatever. You're objectively incorrect. This also wasn't the point though, I wasn't saying we should add it because of Twitch. Like Arcane said, the people on twitch are often worth avoiding. I mentioned to someone who said no one was interested in it that it was currently the most popular thing happening in another MMO via twitch. Lets stop this out of context narrative right there' I'm more tired of people acting like they have the final say and can be toxic and speak down to people just trying to express ideas they think would be cool to see. You're not a developer and your egos preventing you from just admitting that is crazy. Whats more is you just lie? Nobody is saying to anyone who expresses they don't like an idea and nothing more that they aren't developers. People who have no background in game development or any technical background often making claims something cannot be done, or isn't possible are the ones being told. Don't gaslight. Also, telling people to LEAVE THE FORUMS because they disagree with you is fucking wild. Peak toxic behavior.

The clouds have been thoroughly yelled at, i assure you.

yes exactly, finally we're on the same page. 🤝

You can't, it would reveal my ultimate villainous plot to make heroes wait to enter DFB's...

I saw what you said, and what you said was wrong from the start. I never said he called them that, I said he started his posting by calling their idea shit and that i think that's toxic.

You're not discussing anything, you mistakenly agreed someone was being personally attacked and when shown evidence they weren't you got defensive and are trying to refuse to be wrong. again it's your MO.

He's apart of the "us" and i took us to imply other people in the thread disagreeing, who again as we established are not developers. The way Troo worded it is how he should have done it to avoid implying he was owed anything before the idea is allowed to continue. It's always cute when people come up with this imaginary standard they hold suggestions to when it suits them

None of what you said was true thats about as polite as i can be 🤷‍♀️

Curious you say this to him and not Rudra. Rudra alt confirmed 👀

100% I don't mean to imply they don't, if you're saying i may have. My comment on needing a dev to reply just is for like a weight thing, not a demand. I know they read suggestion forums and are fully capable of determining if an idea is in their interest with or without 100 pages of infighting and yelling at clouds

This thread. Literally this one. I'm defending a basic concept people want and i don't particular care about. the OP was absolutely dog piled on by people using their own preference of play to dismiss and insult the person. This is probably true, the dev time would likely be considered too much for the player size. But this would be for a developer to decide, and if HC did say it, it would likely be accepted without much of a fight.

This is not how you're wording it. He's demanding proof to prove HIM wrong. Stop trying to rewrite history because you jumped the gun and got called out again.

Calling him a nobody in relation to the Homecoming team is accurate. We're all not developers, we cannot make that demand of other players. He lacks the ability to follow through on the desired end result. We are a bunch of nobody players arguing about a dead MMO, this was not a personal insult. It would be if his ego was so unreasonable inflated he believes he has the power to greenlight Hardmode if enough people ask for it.

Ok so you didn't actually read the exchange, you just assumed. He's bent out of shape because i said he was nobody in relation to demanding i go out and prove stuff to him, I even agreed with his overall idea but said it would have to come from a developer to have any weight. So please Rudra, explain where i personally insulted him and not his idea.

Sure, but don't bitch when people call what you say stupid too??? Or are you saying i shouldn't tell him he's not a developer?

No, It's directly inflammatory. I've literally seen you argue the opposite way in the past. But that's kind of your MO 😉 also i literally said he called their idea shit?? what the fuck are you talking about "Idea shit" its literally right there

You literally started your posting by calling the guy, who was very friendly most of this forum, idea as shit. rules for thee not for me 😞

anecdotal evidence =/= fact. WoW, Runescape, and many ARPGs have thriving hardcore fanbases. I don't have to prove shit to you, you're nobody. If a developer would like to see people engage in Hardmode activity before they consider it, I think that'd be a reasonable request and an opportunity for an hardmode fans to act on it.

agreed You mean like PvP? Agreed, go tell all the PvPers no more updates because there just isn't enough of them. No.