golstat2003

It wasn't second thoughts. The devs on live datamined that folks simply were not picking them as power pick. The crash was trash.

I've only seen door sitting allowed on Farms. Not actual TFs or content. I won't discount the rest though as each person has their own experience. One suggestion I would make is trying to form your own teams. I believe any 8 heroes clearing anything in the game is a key strength. It's NOT something I would want to see changed.

You mean incendiary rockets out of your butt, right, RIGHT?

Yeah, also expect that everything they posted on page 1 may end up not making it out in page 6, or all of it will, or parts of it will. As long as folks keep their expectations realistic then we're gucci, as the kids say nowadays.

Having something other than DPS today, DOES make the content easier. That's the point I just made. I'm not sure where this idea is coming from. Some people and I are playing an entirely different game. EDIT: To be clear I jump for joy internally when team leaders pull in Doms, Controllers, Defenders to a team when that scrapper or blaster leaves. Why? Cause I know the power of force multiplication. When I form teams I'm not primarily looking for DPS. And I've not seen a majority of folks in LFG ever turn away non-dps ATs.

True. I just don't think a repeated idea coming off in this thread that certain ATs as a whole aren't seen as valuable is factual. That's not what I see when playing on pugs, iTrials, and tfs.

I was here. The game then was worse than the game now. I like that you can fill you team with 8 of what's available and go to town and have fun. The further we get away from "we need more of this on the team" the better.

No. You balance individual powers and outliers (buffs and nerfs) which HC has been doing just fine at and will continue to do so. Over YEARS. With the size of the team we have now, any discussion of large changes to huge systems like IOs isn't realistic. Small changes targetted at powers and sets, is more realistic. Well, if we actually want anything to actually get pushed out to production anytime before the heat death of the sun. YMMV.

No. Because there are some key questions you need to ask about IO balance that you don't have to about SO balance. First of what level of balance? Are we saying IO builds that are frankeslotted, procs, purples, attuned IOs? At what balance point do you start with? What assumptions do you start with about what the majority of players are slotted with? What the "best" and "worst" slotting combination or combinations for various powers? And who decides that? Who takes the time to dig into the code to do the unit testing for that as powers are tweaked in code around those balance points? Take a look at how long changes currently take to get to live now on HC, no multiply that by many times the balance pass you'd have to do for IOs and their various options.

We don't have the manpower for that. It's simply not realistic. EDIT: There are so many combinations of IOs now in the game as is, and so many builds you would need a team larger than paragon was in its heyday to be able to get that balance right, if you're basing balance around IOs. We are far, far far from that now.

And this would be a game I would not play. The farther we get away from the holy trinity type of mmo's past, the better. It's the one thing COH got right.

For the second time in 2 days, I'm here to say QFT to a macskull post. All. of. this!

Me definition is if I'm 45-50 I should have my incarnate abilities. If not then there's no point for me to pursue the incarnate content or do further trials.

Yeah with the size of our dev team re-balancing IOs is probably VERY off the table. At least not until 2040 if they wanted to. LOL

This has not been my experience at all. I've farmed plenty very easily without ANY incarnate powers and just extreme IO Builds. With the sorts of IO builds floating around you don't need them at all to farm. They are just icing on the cake. We can agree to disagree.

The thing is iTrials expect you to be at a certain level. Coming not well slotted to iTrials I don't think is the expectation that the original dev team (or HC) had for those. Also I seem to remember that can't do some of the later iTrials if you don't have alpha slotted. (Unless HC changed that, I haven't tried). And many teams in LFG announce that you need to have at least Alpha slotted before you can join their run of the later trials. TFs are one thing. iTrials are Incarnate Content.

Also usually TF/iTrial teams ANNOUNCE in LFG when forming that it's a speed run.

Then they should add those new difficulty options (like improved enemy AI) to the higher difficulty settings. NOT the base game.

Again, I use to farm really easily without incarnate abilities before AE existed and you only could do the portal corp farms. And I've seen others do so with various types of farmers. IOs are the main issue here not incarnate abilities. For instance a Fire farmer can start farming when they have all their abilities well before level 50. Same with other types of farmers. Because of IOs.

Once I found out about plant/psi dom's I stopped using my fire farmers with any regularity.

As a fire farmer I barely use my incarnate abilities. I don't need them to farm. And Fire Farming isn't even the easiest type of farming there is. Once AGAIN IOs here are the larger issue than incarnate abilities. Prior to Incarnates Fire Farmers were still burning through FIRE farms easily.

Also agreed. More incarnate content would not be bad, but maybe not require IOs.

Agreed. IOs to me are a larger issue than incarnate abilities. And agreed with the better approach here of creating content that takes into account Incarnate abilities. (not so much IOs).

Okay I'll come back when this thread gets serious. Saying empathy is more impactful than debuffs is a step too far even for me. And we all play a game where fantasy is key. Enjoy all. 😆

I think someone (not you) needs to play on teams with debuffing sets more.