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I played from day one, I don't think it mattered that much. I do remember well the days of unending debt, fixed contacts, etc. We are not going back to those days, and the choice of an origin pool did not affect how any given character could be built. Set bonuses and %procs are a far different thing than the difference (on Live) between a Blackwand/Nemesis Staff temp power. AFAIK, the only really gated power choices for players right now are the alignment powers, and those can be changed by waiting a week and/or committing to a (flexible) alignment. I know this is NOT the argument being made, but If someone was serious about limiting powers and slots based on origin, then things like the Sorcery pool would be only open to magic origin characters (even though we might never see 'all five' 'origin pools'.) EDIT: I want to add this, re-emphasizing my early point about "Why Damage?" I think this request sort of betrays a limited perspective on the current game and how players build characters. As I noted above, Damage sets already have more options for enhancement sets that any other set. Secondarily, there are some ATs that have a LOT more liberty to slot damage sets than others, so adding another set option to those would be possibly given them more choices, but ultimately players are going to stick with the sets that work best for them given the likelihood of limited powers to put them in (ATO, Very Rares, Winters, PVPs, Overwhelming Force). This sort of suggestion feels like a LOT of effort for something that will hurt the feels of some players ("Whatta ya mean, re-roll my badger?") and/or be of marginal use for (likely) many more.

On one hand I have a little appreciation for the OP trying to put some spice in a thing that effectively doesn't matter (the character's 'origin'); on the other hand I think the OP has missed the memo that the game is more fun when it doesn't put up arbitrary gates for things that any player may want to use for any of their characters. MMV. From a purely personal perspective: more damage enhancement sets is NOT a high priority. If I was given a wand (of whatever origin) to come up with a BRAND NEW enhancement set, I'd make a UNIVERSAL CONTROL 6-piece set that boost whatever control like a HO Endoplasm does. The game offers a LOT of powers that can accept more than one type of IO, but AFAIK only Hami-O and D-Sync are the only available options to boost each of them (in a single power) with a single enhancement.

I've proposed several different tweaks to the Presence pool, but nothing so radical as these. My nearly trivial suggestion is that Pacify/Provoke/Intimidate each be allowed to be taken at level 4, and remove the pre-requisite for Intimidate. The "three power choices at level 14" is an annoying leftover from Live. The way it is now, I have never wanted to take BOTH Pacify and Provoke on the same character, so Invoke Panic and Unrelenting have an effective lower level choice of 16. My more detailed suggestion was that Pacify (IMO, the weakest power of the set... not useless, just weak in terms of game play) be given a little extra code so that for ATs which get a true Placate (Stalkers, VEATs) that Pacify also duplicated the effects of Placate, but not be given the values of Placate. This would help those ATs leverage the Presence pool without (possibly) doubling-up on a power that is already in a primary/secondary. I suppose a similar argument could be made for Provoke and Taunt/Confront, but I put no thought into that, because Taunt is so good, it never occurred to me to use Provoke instead. I definitelt feel like we are missing a fifth set for Fear and Threat. There are combinations we ought to have, like Acc/End and Acc/Threat (for Threat) and we could use another Acc/Fear for Fear. It is as if the devs didn't realize there are Threat powers that require Accuracy slotting.

IMO: The Exploration Badge tips are fine, and a cute addition to the game, but only for the zones which have them, and when I don't allow them to clutter up my tip window. There are some other subtleties with the tips that don't "solve" all my personal issues (e.g. the mechanism is slightly buggy) but my issues with the exploration tips are not greater than whatever issues I have with the vidiot overlays. Personally, I'd prefer something like the vidiot overlays showing markers as a default. It's not because I don't value the new tips, it is because I use those markers even after any given character has gotten the badge/clicked the plaque.

So keep going and apply that rationalization to the Tanker's Ranged Damage Scale. Once you have to reach into "but Epic pools" I think this is a VERY shaky argument.

A couple (more) things: *If* the enhancement set bonuses went down to level 1 (for those "low cap" sets), that would be a small amount of utility. Of course so few players stay at those low levels for very long. *If* the low level enhancement sets (which often have only have 3 or 4 pieces) offered different types of set bonuses for 1, 2, 3 pieces than the higher level sets... maybe folks would be tempted to franken-slot a few more of those.... but when the low-level sets are offering both smaller set bonuses of the exact same type and lower caps on enhancement values themselves, why bother with them? As things stand now, the only sets (so more than 1 piece used) that don't scale up to level 50 that I somewhat regularly use are: 2x Steadfast Protection, because I am probably using two of those pieces anyway, and every little bit of Recovery helps. 4x Basilisk's Gaze, for Dominators, because they always have more than one Hold and the extra global Recharge is nice for 4 slots, leaving 2 more slots for nuance, 4x Cloud Senses, because I'm using the %damage piece, the powers need accuracy, and the set bonuses are IMO superior to those of Siphon Insight for using fewer slots, 2x Call to Arms, for MM where I have to put the global piece in a henchmen (as opposed to some other pet power)

Ah, the old melee cannon! Sentinels have an even higher scale for melee than Blasters do. Like I wrote, I think the rationalization falls apart when looking at other pairs of ATs.

I don't use Detonator, (Mastermind Traps secondary), so is it possible to to Detonate anything that appears in the player's pet window (e.g. Acid Mortars)? I feel like this is how it was on the test server (at one point) but I don't know if it still applies now.

"Stay the course" definitely feels like the most likely path. As noted, there would be a loud (negative) reaction to pretty much ANY change except a blanket buff to Brutes. As much as I like the (current) Energy Melee changes, my initial reaction to those was closer to "Waaah, not what *I* wanted" than not... and I don't even think I was particularly vocal about the changes. I can imagine that if new melee (and possibly armor) sets are introduced that the Brute variants would get something unique (relative to other ATs)... but even this sort of approach would inevitably lead to some comments along the lines of "Another nerf? Why can't Brutes just get what ____ got?" Even though nostalgia dominates player feels about the game, I'd like to believe that a majority of folks bitter about the Brutes' current place in the game will eventually channel those Brute feels into another AT (most likely Scrapper or Tanker, as noted above) that "does whatever, but better" in the player's mind. Then maybe a particularly strong-willed dev could rework the AT (without changing primaries/secondaries) into something folks can be excited about. Not really relevant to the Brute discussion... but as much as I love Blapping, if I wasn't already used to the damage scales being what they are I would think that the Blaster's melee is probably too high.. at least considering all the survivability tricks Blasters have access to. This is not me calling for a nerf to Blasters, the comment is made more from looking at the damage scales as they are and being able to rationalize just about any ratio between ATs... but I'm not sure any one rationalization would make sense when applied to a different pairing of ATs.

My hot take on Triage Beacon: It's a fine power to use while leveling up but less important at higher levels (certainly at 50). Keep it where it is, as it is a natural power to respec out of as a character levels up.

I realized I goofed on some of the proposed enhancement slotting: Epic Indomitable Will does not take Resistance pieces. This is not the first time I forgot this! As it takes Defense pieces, I'll have to make some adjustments.... and try to turn things to my advantage. With room for another (6th) defense power, I can opt to turn the franken-slotting of Unleash Potential into a 6xPreventive Maintenance for 8.75% global recharge. At this point I think I can sacrifice a LotG 7.5% global recharge (using a Defense slot to hold the Shield Wall global Resistance piece) and still have the margins to drop Expedient Reinforcement for Singularity. I kinda hate losing the Defense boosts from Unleash potential, so I am still thinking this trhough. I'm thinking about minimize some slotting on Singularity, leveraging HOs. EDIT: I had realized that I could skimp on Range for Wall of Force (to keep it closer to the range of Buckshot), and I could get better-ish enhancement values using an attuned 5-piece Decimation (even with a lower level cap) as the 3-piece Gladiator's Javelin in the Burst T1 attack... which allowed me to franken-slot the Singularity (and save another slot) more to my taste. The net Global recharge bonuses will scale lower; I lose a little on the Singularity's (slotted) recharge but I get it slotted with more control. I also get to keep my franken-slotting and Defense emphasis for Unleash Potential! Oh, BTW... the Singularity is showing a Boosted Soulbound Allegiance Accuracy/Recharge piece. That was just a placeholder. I'll be using a common Essence of Curare Accuracy/Recharge piece from the Hold category at level 50+5 instead. No need to burn INF on that.

I won't argue against trying to mechanically use Fury to directly increase damage in some way, except that is (to my eyes) always what its been... but in terms of gameplay I've only ever seen a Brute played the same as a Scrapper (probably 90%) or a Tanker (maybe 10%). Apologies for comparing against the original ATs from CoH, but the timeline is what it is. I don't think there is another way to play a Brute... as there is no mechanical reason to (EDIT) not push every character as fast as it can go. I don't think there *is* another way to play a Brute! I realize that it can be tempting to point at Scrappers and Stalkers, but those two AT have enough different powers in each primary that there is room for obvious variation, even if (by some arbitrarily chosen metrics an optimized-for-that-metric build of) each may be comparable. I'd prefer that Brutes got a role not filled by Scrappers or Tankers, and preserved their primaries and secondaries. I don't think it is productive to start from a place where the idea is that the AT has to be better than another AT. The Tanker buff (at least the AoE-related one that is sometimes called the 'Brute nerf') was to make Tankers better at tanking, which had the side effect of making them able to fit (and ultimately defeat) more enemies at once... again, this is a somewhat arbitrary metric. Ultimately this is just my way of saying that I'd prefer an AT that offered both a different sort of playstyle and not just "this one gets the same powers but at a different level" or "this one gets the same powers but has different caps". I'd rather not have wholesale changes to the powers or caps, even if they would have to be tweaked to accommodate whatever the Fury mechanic ends up doing.

Thanks! I'm still not 100% sure on my final slotting, as I am testing the different interactions of powers as I play. I'm a long way from perma-dom, and at least you can see from my proposed sets how I intend to get to it. If I could convince myself to NOT franken-slot Wall of Force, I'd end up with slightly more options of what sets to use where... I hate that this choice is restricting me, but I love the extra damage it brings at such a low level. Right now, I'm looking at my (current) choice to have the ATO 6-slotted in Wormhole. I absolutely love the stun effect that it applied to the grouped targets, but I'm not liking that the post-teleport scatter that sometimes occurs. So I'm considering using 5-slots of Absolute Amazement with a 6th slot for Sudden Acceleration KB->KD. This would have a sort of cascading effect on which sets I use to get five 10% Global recharge (I'd probably not use Ragnarok in Ignite) but I have to pick a good home for the ATO. Choices!

I appreciate all the replies from folks talking about what they like about Brutes, and what they use in their builds. It is pretty easy to find posts about how "Brutes was nerfed" associated with some talking them down because, by some arbitrary benchmarks, "others are better." Fury is what *I* don't like about Brutes! That is to say: to me, building up that self-buff always felt like it was more effort than it was worth, given other build options. I'm also somewhat non-plussed about how I see many Brutes played on teams... where they just sort of assume they'll always have aggro... and when they don't they don't seem to perform as well and the squishier teammates can start to take a lot of grief... put another way "bad tanking" but I digress. I've played since launch, so I remember pre-CoV when Scrappers essentially made Tankers somewhat superfluous in most content. It came as no surprise to me that when Brutes could go/start blue-side that many folks would gravitate to them... my thinking may be wrong, but because it was so much easier (less investment) to make the Brutes "tougher" *and* for those willing to push the value caps, as tough as Tankers, it was kind of a no-brainer (especially for AFK-like play). I don't have a suggestion for Brutes, but I can suggest something different that would make me more interested in Brutes (with a Fury mechanic). I'd be interested if Fury wasn't tied to either making the Brute hit harder (the current damage buff) or survive better (as is sometimes suggested). I'd kinda like a melee class that applied an enemy debuff (in PBAoE) sort of complimenting how Sentinels (now) work. This sort of things ought to be somewhat acceptable to those seeking MOAR damage and would give Brutes a pretty good role on teams. Obviously if Fury was detatched from the damage buff, some rebalancing of offense is probably necessary.

I want to say that I think I've seen a reverse of this with certain PVP pieces, where I could slot the level 10 version at level 7 (similarly for a few other sets that don't start at level 10), but I had to wait until level 10 to slot an attuned version. Furthermore, I seem to recall that this isn't true of ALL PVP sets. I do know that I've had to wait until level 10 to slot ATOs. I rarely use Winter pieces at low level so I'm guessing they are like ATOs. My memory is a little fuzzy, because I don't always bother with slotting enhancements at those levels.

Hard agree. The initial thread about the lost player (and happened to include a commonly-made suggestion that hasn't really been implemented except in extreme circumstances, mostly dating back several years) is, by my reading, free of any sort of negativity. A second thread was started, by a different user, asking for some "official" clarity on the topic of NPC memorials, as this is something that hasn't been implemented (see above) despite many people asking for it over the years. In that thread an "official" response is laid out making it clear that the general attitude is that there won't be NPC memorials going forward, and that it is not focused at any individuals. A third thread is started that accuses the second thread of being a trollish invitation to dismiss the idea of the first thread, and that the "officials" are collaborating with trolls. That thread gets locked, with an explanation. A fourth (this) thread gets started with (I believe) the rationale being: (a) someone didn't get what I wanted from the first thread, (b) everybody got a reason why in the second thread, (c) somebody didn't get validation that the second thread was targeted directly at them by trolls in the third thread, and (d) there out to be a way for the reason to be changed (see second thread) so that what was wanted from the first thread happens and the validation never received in the third thread is achieved. Page 1 of this thread was textbook sealioning, including immediately after being asked to "give it a rest". I can understand some folks are upset, but it reads like some of them are just looking for reasons to be upset.

-Resistance applied to an enemy, is treated as unique-by-source (for most things I can think of, including %-Res from procs), so teh different sources can stack, but consecutive applications from the same source will simply 'reset' the clock on teh duration of the debuff. The debuff is coming from an applied %proc, not any given power, so different players all using the same proc is just extending duration (if the attack hits and the proc fires). AFAIK, the Fury of the Gladiator , Annihilation, and Achilles' Heel %-Resistance can all stack with each other. They'll also stack with -Resistance from powers. My experience has been that %-Resistance is a better force multiplier than it is for solo play. So my team-oriented characters and Masterminds (or characters with a LOT of pets that do damage) will often try to include at least two attacks with the Annihilation piece (it goes in ranged AoE powers) to try to 'sustain' some -Resistance for the allies/pets/henchmen.

Plants is IMO OP for a few reasons: Seeds of Confusion having a rather large AoE (plus target cap) on top of a base 1.0 accuracy is just crazy good for a low-tier control. Vines and Roots have the more-typical base values, but it is easy to shrug that off when (a) they are no different than other similar Control powers, (b) so much of the set kinda doesn't draw aggro to the character... a Sleep, the Confuse (kinda), Spirit Tree, Carrion Creepers and Fly Trap. As @Maelwys noted Marine Affinity's Shifting Tides does some great things depending on what else the player has in it (pets, pseduopets, henchmen, allies) and because of the way Plant Control works, it seemed like a no-brainer test case for me to try Marine Affinity. I hadn't planned to put %damage in it, but I almost always test... and I found that the %damage was still able to be applied after cast, including if the anchor was defeated. My Controllers are always looking for just a little more damage, so that's how I ended up with the slotting in Shiting Tides I shared above; it is weirdly similar to Carrion Creepers. Plant/Marine ended up being a lot more 'fire-and-forget' than I expected.

Casual observation, based on lower/mid 20's content and the second build progression posted above. For solo -1x3, I'm finding a pretty reliable "opening move" to be: Power Up Wormhole (5-slotted with the ATO) The cone AoE attacks and/or controls. I use this as a Wormhole macro to group the enemies where the cones will hit them (modulo knockback): /macro_image "IceBlast_Aim" "WORM" "powexec_location forward:25 Wormhole" Damage dealing is a little slow at these levels solo (with fewer slots available), so often both Power Up and Wormhole are available when I get to the next spawn. Even with minimal slotting in the Targeting Drone (and the -1 enemies) the ToHit chances are pretty healthy.

All true, but... ...If a power's effect is going to apply any sort of net buff (to damage, to control) then it needs to get a "balance pass" which sometimes means that the power that could be granting the buff gets 'gimped', relative to similar powers. For this sort of proposed interaction with Wet, it would me more trouble than it is worth. I mentioned the "Fire attacks may do less damage to Wet-affected critters", because once the game started to include such interactions like "Wet allows for Hold/Slow/Immob/KD/whatever when used with XXX, from anybody" players would naturally start asking for all sorts of other effects based on attack types... because Pokemon. Ultimately my opinion was that it was a cute idea, but not a sustainable one to implement... unless TPTB were ok with a straight-up buff for (some combination of) characters.

IMO: Below level 20, you shouldn't have to worry too much about whatever +Res or +Absorb you are getting from the ATO. If you can tank rooms of Vahzilok in Posi 2, you should be fine for everything else at low level. When I want to slot nearly complete sets of the Tanker ATO, I use the first two attacks I take for them. When I want to %proc, I pick one of them (usually Might of the Taker's %+Res) to go into the AoE attack as a franken-slot that I'll be using a lot and also has a reasonable chance to proc). There are still 5 other pieces in that set can be used to get the 5% Melee positional defense. This is just my take: I won't argue that +Absorb isn't good for Tankers, but I do think that %+Absorb is not the kind of choice that should make a Tanker build. As Tankers have generally few powers to slot their ATOs, this is why I generally use the weakest attack power to hold it. (If the build was also going to chase Winter ATO 5-slot bonuses, I suppose I might make a different set of choices, but I digress). Tankers are probably better served by having more Regeneration (which tends to be a constant, across levels) than %+Absorb. The %+Resistance is (again IMO) the kind of thing that is really useful, but it shouldn't be relied upon for most content. Something as simple as bad timing can mean you don't get it! As I wrote above, I usually franken-slot that piece into an AoE so that when I'm facing multiple enemies in melee I stand a good chance of getting some more Resistance, because there is no such things as 'cascading Resistance failures'.

So a couple of reactions: I'd like more enhancement options that span the entire range of levels. I kinda like that the level ranges exist, for converter roulette.

Some more testing at -1x3 in the late 20s has convinced me to replace Crush with Lift. Lift Crush was doing very little (control, damage) Another single-target attack that does reliable damage (with or without Impact!) compliments the rest of the build better, As part of the 'complimenting', my earlier point about the RNG (and the floor 1-in-20 chance to miss, no matter the final ToHit) means that the character plays better when I have more than two lower-level single-target (ranged) attacks for damage. This is just me, but against a Held enemy, I can toss Weaken Resolve and Lift in succession, if either one of those is the (effectively) force miss, It's not the end of the world... nor is it a meltdown if one of my single-target damage attacks miss (when I have multiples). If I miss on a rando ST Immob, that's effectively not even trying to use it... so no big loss to never have it! At these levels, -1x3 was pretty slow for Stephanie Peebles and the Bloody Bay door missions. But they were doable. The Singularity is a big help when a little too much is coming after me. Screenshot of the updated planned build follows. I realized that the Damage/Mezz piece in Singularity was effectively only improving the Mezz... so I'm going to drop that which frees up one slot for me. I also realized I wanted some Range on Buckshot, so moving the Positron's Blast set to that short cone seems to make more sense.

^ I think this is the closest to my take. ^ I think it is especially true if the rest of the team has made build choices knowing in advance what a specific Defender is going to bring. I think there is some content where one pulls ahead of the other, assuming both have reasonably smart builds... for example, a low level TF/SF is much easier with some Defenders than most Controllers... if the Defender has team buffs. I was on a recent Posi 1 where the Defender made all the difference, and the (exemplared) Controllers didn't die, but at that level they weren't bringing that much to the team. For some builds I have, within play it might be pretty hard to know if the character was a Defender or a Controller if the observer wasn't familiar with the primary/secondary.

The zoning trick doesn't fix the Rest/Walk issue. It persists. Obviously /cleartray is a thing, that isn't relevant to the bug report.