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  1. 1. All "squishy" (I don't think blasters are squishies at this point but they are considered a "squishy") ATs get a flat 40% base res to everything in pvp with their epic power pool shield(without it they get 30%+). Other ATs including melee do not, they get whatever res they get from their defense/resistance set including any holes/deficiencies/weaknesses inherent in that set. This leads to certain scenarios where yes squishy ATs are tankier than melees 🙂 2. In pvp, total focus does base 2 second stun duration(every AT in the game aside from controllers/dom have base 2 second mez durations ON ALL MEZES, controllers/doms get base 4 seconds), after the duration of that stun runs out the target is immune to all CC (except weird mezzes like confuse I think) for 12 seconds. The 2 second stun duration is reduced by any mez protections a target has. Even the 2 second stun duration is barely enough time to get in close enough for another attack, especially if the target has jaunted or is coming down from a jump. This is somewhat more manageable with root cancelling but still difficult to follow up. If the enemy is attacking back often times you TRADE mezzes, you stun them, they hold you, essentially cancelling out any advantage your stun gave you. 3. Yes absorb shield helps, but after you trade mezzes (total focus vs strangler) it just comes down to a damage race that they win because of lower CDs on their attacks+higher resistance+constant regen from absorb shield. Anyway my point is not to balance energy melee around dueling fire blasters, it was just to give people an example of very common scenarios in pvp and how even when you build a pure damage based stalker build it still does less damage than ranged ATs(believe it or not corrs/defenders do almost as much as blasters due to proc system). 4. Bio armor is the only secondary aside from rad armor I think that provides a damage bonus. That said the only other viable secondary in pvp i'd say is energy aura, rest of the defense sets are not really viable for various reasons and resistance sets don't allow you to get back into hide easily(bio makes up for this with the low CD absorb shield+dmg bonus). Point is, best secondaries are bio and energy aura, rest you are wasting your time. Again, I just wanna illustrate how dumb things are right now, energy transfer which requires TWO prerequisites. First hitting a TF first for energy focus to get the 1.1 sec cast AND second being in hide to mini crit. Together this barely does more than a 120-140ft range snipe that has half the cooldown and 10x+ the range. Do I like the game being a damage race? No, but if that's how it is, for energy melee to function, it will need maybe a higher crit damage % (instead of 28% maybe 56% on both ET and TF?) or partial unresisted crits (perhaps 40-50%??). Perhaps adding in detoggling to the enemy movement speed toggles as well. Edit: I can definitely sense some doubt in your post of my playing, I've been playing energy melee stalkers on test leagues and in tournaments in pvp since 2007: . You may not believe me that it's as bad as I'm describing but just go try it for yourself lol. I mean if competitive or high lvl pvpers struggle with min/max builds? I can't imagine what it's gonna be like for regular pvpers.
  2. Melee as a whole is just absolute trash, won't go off on that tangent here. But if I can get changes for energy melee to be functional on release for stalkers(like people in the pvp community ALREADY HAVE DONE for trick arrow), stalkers will go from having 1 functional set for pvp to 2. I love the EM changes but as you can see the numbers are still pretty much a joke. Blasters basically get 2 ranged energy transfers worth of damage in snipe (a snipe for god sakes) and strangler. Also the numbers I posted are mini critted ET, without mini crit, ET literally does less damage than blaster range attacks. What I'm saying is, if you manage to get in melee in pvp, allow the melee AT to do some damage. I mean if blasters, which are tankier(than this particular stalker build) and have 10x more range than I do, can do more damage than me, what is the point?( Give stalkers partially unresisted crits or greater crit damage on ET/TF something. When I first saw the total focus damage I almost thought it was bugged it was so low. Edit: this isn't really directed towards you siolfir, more just ranting lol
  3. Did some more testing v.s. a min/maxed pvp blaster build (fire/plant) with my min/maxed em/bio stalker, here are the numbers in pvp as to why stalkers could definitely use a bump in damage. Typical fire/plant attack chain (Anyone can hit this attack chain 100% of the time) build up->blaze->strangler->blazing bolt Blaze: 384 damage (5 sec cooldown 100 ft+ Ranged) Strangler: 676 damage (10 sec cooldown 80ft+ ranged) Blazing Bolt 661 damage (Insta cast ranged SNIPE 5 sec cooldown 100ft+ range) TOTAL: 1721 damage at 80 ft+ range (vs bio stalker) Typical EM/Bio attack chain (You will be lucky to get 2 attacks off against a breathing human being) Build up->total focus(mini crit)(into rehide)->energy transfer(mini crit)->quick cast assassin strike Total Focus CRIT: 518 dmg(melee 10 sec CD) Energy Transfer CRIT: 696 (melee 6 sec CD) Assassin Strike Fast Cast: 441 (melee 7 sec CD) TOTAL: 1,655 at 8ft range (vs plant blaster) Notes on my em/bio build: I am running with 77% bonus damage Conclusion: I'm not here to cry about blasters, I'm just giving an example of what you will have to contend with as a stalker and why they will need a bit more to be able to stand a chance "What about AS?" In serious 8s scenarios, it can be 3-4-5 spikes before you are able to land an AS, especially given the jaunt meta probably even less, in zones you get an AS off but rarely can you get a follow up other than zapp/moonbeam, the damage equates to around 1100-1300 with a BU+AS+snipe. Blaster attack chains which only require you to be within 80 ft of a target do more than a stalker critting multiple times in an attack chain that require you to be within 8ft of target. Blazing bolt does the same damage roughly as energy transfer mini critting at literally 10x the range and a lower cooldown and with zero prerequisites(you have to total focus crit to get fast animation!!). This was all within build up as well, outside of build up the stalker's numbers were pretty abysmal Other hilarious notes: Blaster has 1847 HP+absorb shield(in new patch at least 100-200 hp??)+40% res to ALL Stalker has 1971 HP with some res/def (ranging from 10-30%) (bio armor) This means, given the numbers above a blaster CAN and WILL stand there and out scrap you as a stalker from RANGE Anyway I know there are like 2 people on this planet who care about pvping with stalkers but I get really annoyed when I see total focus doing like 250 damage outside of build up. If other sets can get pvp specific changes, give EM pvp specific changes because as you can see, for how impossibly hard it is to get into melee to begin with you are given less a reward than a blaster attacking at 10x your range than a stalker build that makes immense sacrifices in survivability for damage.
  4. For stalkers in PvP(these changes apply to pvp only), I am completely fine losing the heal ET and double energy focus charges in TF. There is not really a scenario where these benefits are helpful, stalkers cant at all scrap with other melees(their tankiness just lets them out damage race you) so losing the extra benefits for more up front crit damage would be far more useful. I have tested this in 8v8 arena and against a tank 1v1. EM in pvp doesn't do great enough damage to justify playing this over a blaster. First off when running a melee you are on less targets in general and second the trouble of getting into melee against ranged characters with jaunt etc puts you at massive disadvantage. Now if the damage was increased so the single hits were more threatening rather than just doing slightly more than a single blaster attack that'd put this set in a much better place. Stalkers need to be rewarded for actually landing hits. Landing an AS is the most difficult it's ever been in the history of this game with jaunt now being meta. So stalkers need very strong ST attacks to make up for this. Drop the heal (you cant scrap and you cant take, you get hit you generally die making the heal useless) get rid of the extra energy focus charge from TF (engagements are no more than 3-4 hits AT MOST) and provide greater crit damage(instead of 28% maybe 50-60%) or partial unresisted crits, either of those could make stalkers more of a threat. I wish I could post a video on how difficult it actually is to close the distance in this meta, it's a nightmare.
  5. You can do both. What if you bring back only slows with no movement speed buff to melee, does that help a set like broadsword or fire melee or any set that don't have access to slows? You'd have to pick armor set that has access to slows, which are not that great (ice armor etc). Also you are against more movespeed in a game whos main selling point is the movement speed?
  6. I would never say "reduce the durability" of underperforming sets for melee or ranged or anything. I mean sets like dark armor are absolute trash in pvp and need to be buffed. But there are certain power combinations of "meta pvp builds" such as bio tanks that need to be addressed because they are literally unkillable even in coordinated team pvp scenarios. I'm also not saying ranged doesn't need to be adjusted too, because it definitely does and has the biggest advantage. I just think melee needs to be able to actually kill things in pvp and if that means a reduction in survivability in the overperforming sets like bio then yes let's do it. Going off on a tangent here so this isn't entirely directed towards you, America's Angel: I think the community just needs to decide whether we want to balance around this pvp that is in the remnants of i13 mechanics(essentially what we are doing right now) or if we want to spend the time and redo the mechanics so that sets function somewhat similarly to how they do in pve. This would mean revamps of mez mechanics, diminishing returns and a look at procs as well as unresisted damage/debuffs to match their similar effectiveness in pve which would lead to more build viability. Why? Because the sets were originally designed around slows/mezzes, base damage and other mechanics, not around procs(which often makes up 60% of the damage of current meta attack chains!), 2-4 second mez durations and no real effective slows. If you don't add new mechanics you end up with a damage race(because there are no other influential mechanics to balance around), which essentially sums up this current meta. Either you're an emp, or your a build that can cram as many procs into your attack chain as possible (blasters).
  7. Ranged balanced against ranged and melee balanced against melee is myopic in terms growing the pvp population. It just adds another layer of unintuitive knowledge a player must have (on top of all the other nonsense a player must know to even be remotely competitive in even the most casual zone pvp). What the game SHOULD be balanced around is small teams and 1v1s, which is what it was balanced around pre i13, which while not perfect, allowed for 5x the amount of viable builds as available now. It should also go back to its PVE roots meaning, what makes your build strong in PVE should also apply to pvp (this is not happening anytime soon). This would mean both melee and ranged should be threats to each other. I always link this vid I did a long time ago of what I envision melee to be! In the clips I'm going against rad/therms, fortunatas and other builds that were top tier builds at their time(much better than bs/sr!!) and beating them. It was a lot more interesting time in pvp. I love playing stalker in arena so I don't want to play a CoH where melee and range both play their own pvp meta games and don't interact.
  8. I think this is a good change you are suggesting. I also forgot to mention as well, if we were to do this change,I'd nerf taunt, give target taunt suppression after initial taunt(10 secs of taunt immunity after initial taunt duration runs out), remove stackable -range. Or at the very least make taunt so it's not a perma cage and at most you can have 60% uptime on a target. I think we need to tweak melee to not be invulnerable (removal of barrier is good step in that direction), not have taunt be ridiculous and for them to actually be aggressive and threatening in an almost 0 CC environment. I'd also have different opinions on the balancing of melee if we were to ever re enable slows/revamp the mez system. The changes I'm suggesting are really just bandaids but something is better than nothing. I wish I could post vids, it's so hard to get into melee against anyone moving around. Even jaunt puts you where the target was 1-2 seconds before. Also follow STOPS when you are like 10-15 feet away so that can screw you over big time when chasing. Manual following is of course an option(and really the best option), but in a jaunt meta world you often only have seconds to even get one attack off before your target jaunts into the skybox.
  9. I would say raise max movespeed on melee by 10-20% (instead of 92 maybe they move 105-110 or something) and maybe give them 2-3 ft more base range on their attack(this is just to help with the low tickrate of the server and ping more than anything).
  10. Is acid arrow that bad when you can slot achilles and annihilation for -40% res?
  11. put chance for hide proc into TF also I've rolled and min/max'd my em/bio stalker can we make this patch live thx :)
  12. The mechanics in this game such as damage formula, mez duration, squishies walking around with 40% res to all etc etc and any other mechanics and even the lack of unresisted damage was all balanced around (or at least in Castle's stupid vision) i13 movement suppression. So when you reference any design framework from Castle I think we just have to remember that we are working within the busted remnants of Castle's i13 which was balanced around parameters such as 0 movement(hence why there probably wasn't unresisted damage because engagements left both ranged/melee with an equal exchange of attacks). I know you ended up agreeing with me anyways but my point is in this new high movement based meta we play in, as a stalker there is a good chance you won't get 2 attacks off, unless the target doesn't know what they're doing or they're distracted. AS leaves you a million miles away from your target usually (long cast time) so if you do manage to get your second hit off you should be rewarded and should be able to get a kill. Given how much resistance is in this game and also that I don't think 185 feels high enough (need to test this) I think the unresisted damage for stalker crits will allow them to get the 2 hit kills they used to have access to. If they get it scrappers should too I think.
  13. It's because the mechanics don't make sense in pvp, not because some guy on the forums said a mean thing
  14. Maybe make the crits partial unresisted as well.
  15. 100% I would give up the healing for more damage any day.
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