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page 3 [FOCUSED FEEDBACK] New Melee Set - Sonic Melee
Kaika replied to The Curator's topic in [Open Beta] Focused Feedback
Came here to say the same thing, it's currently still a toggle and rapidly casting the initial attack, drains end super fast too. For fun I ran a "one button" pylon test, though I did have to use the tester burnout to keep Geas up since the end drain was pretty wild -
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Kaika replied to The Curator's topic in [Open Beta] Focused Feedback
Just got on and messed around a bit with the new attune and the VFX is a game changer feel wise. Makes the power feel far more impactful and translates it mentally into a toggle in my head way easier. I really like the VFX for it, just enough to not lose it in the mix of things, but not too big as to get mistaken for a AoE, and does not cover the head or legs to be mistaken as control. The extra range also makes it quite a bit harder to detoggle and makes it so you don't feel like you have to be glued to your target anymore, I don't think I would want it to extend any farther then this though. I still have to get into melee to make the DoT effective so it isn't a free lunch, but I no longer need to constantly keep my target in mind positioning wise, and they are far easier to keep track of. All and all a huge upgrade in the game feel department here, good work on this. The only thing I could think to make it better would be if the VFX changed when the T1/2 were applied to it, but I know thats a bit of a ask and it's still very good the way it currently is. -
page 3 [FOCUSED FEEDBACK] New Melee Set - Sonic Melee
Kaika replied to The Curator's topic in [Open Beta] Focused Feedback
Fair, I thought you meant more on a set by set basis, not power. Migraine was likely added due to so many sources of -res being very difficult to balance due to how powerful of a debuff -res is. Though to be fair sonic has also had a history of being CC heavy, which sonic melee does follow. Either way I still stand that the set would feel incomplete without a source of -res which is more prevalent in other sonic sets. -
page 3 [FOCUSED FEEDBACK] New Melee Set - Sonic Melee
Kaika replied to The Curator's topic in [Open Beta] Focused Feedback
Sonic assault also has -res in the ranged attacks and Disruptive aura which is a -res toggle, it still has alot of it -
page 3 [FOCUSED FEEDBACK] New Melee Set - Sonic Melee
Kaika replied to The Curator's topic in [Open Beta] Focused Feedback
Assassin strikes are very inconsistent across different powerset, Ice fire and BS all have longer animation times in both quick and long forms, KM has a insanely quick AS, and as other have stated AS often interacts with the set's gimmick. Having them all be the same is not, and never has been, a fundamental aspect of stalker design, not all sets are built the same as the assasin strikes reflect this. In this case it's inheriting sandman's whisper's powerful secondary effect, which otherwise has no really good place to go. -Res is not only one of the most powerful de-buffs in the game but is one of* the signature secondary effects of sonic powers. AS is also a decent place for it, as it's usually your opener, and does not benefit from the -res on the initial strike. Given the recharge lines up with the same duration of the -res this seems like a very good place for it, as stalker would be far weaker then scrapper without it. Also not sure why you think sonic clap is skippable because this is one of the best melee cones in the game by far, massive 180 degree arc with a 15 foot range, this thing is huge, decent CC, with low cooldown and decent damage, have you tried it yet? And yes, if stalker were to get TW, thats exactly what I would expect, it would likely build momentum from hide as well, but thats for the devs to decide if they do ever give stalkers TW (please). Edit*: clarified the secondary effect statement -
Laucianna summed up my opinions on a future Kheldian change fairly well. I do think though their single target peak shouldn't be as high as scrappers or stalker. Sentinels would likely be a good place to aim as they share alot of the same traits (Survivable, ranged capabilities, Nukes) but also have more versatility and utility. I do however think that at the moment, without changeling, they are the weakest AT in the game, almost unquestionably. They simply lack the raw damage on most of their kit, have to deal with KB that clashes with their melee kit, and lack good sources of mez protection(even with light form) which is practically a death sentence vs many groups. This doesn't mean they aren't functional or can't accomplish anything noteworthy, both can easily maintain a 85% res cap and that on it's own is enough to out-survive most things. I just think the fact that the ability to instantly animation cancel their attacks doesn't make them overpowered in the eyes of the devs should speak volumes. Even so I don't think any AT in this game is "Weak" so even if I think they are the weakest overall it's not that bad. I can completely understand though why someone wouldn't want a changeling on their team though, they cover the area they are in in particle effect, constant loud noises and (if not turned off) constantly shake the screen. It's not a ideal solution but it's fairly in line with the potential of other ATs, and it is NOT easy to pull off well and honestly it's just kinda nice seeing Khelds preform well. It's also really fun, I'll definitely miss it once it's gone, but I understand. I'm hopeful for a rework but I can understand why it would take a good while, the AT isn't exactly super popular and the task of actually reworking them would be pretty big compared to some other under-preforming sets that wouldn't need nearly as much work.
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page 3 [FOCUSED FEEDBACK] New Melee Set - Sonic Melee
Kaika replied to The Curator's topic in [Open Beta] Focused Feedback
Was able to get around a slightly under 2 min pylon time on a fairly quickly thrown together Sonic/psi stalker build, which is respectable, specially considering how much AoE and control the set has. That's without using the -regen from devour psyche, though I did have a proc bombed out aura of madness and moonbeam, so it's not ALL just the sonic damage. I maintained attune with both stacks, but not sure how much it was really doing at the end of the day. Bringing it into a mission though, I'm not really a fan of attune, I don't think it's *bad* or anything but for all the effort you have to put into it, it really didn't feel all that impactful, especially with AS and crits in the mix, It's the kinda thing where the numbers probably add up to it being worth it, but just barely, but that's only a hunch, I'm sure someone will do the math. Honestly I think it would be alot better as just a melee based DoT toggle with no other interactions, thats already really unique and something thats not in the game, the interactions with the T1 and T2 just feel like they over-complicate things and sorta force you into taking powers that are normally somewhat skippable. It kinda feels like the old tank gauntlet issue again, and I would rather the T1 and T2 be strong enough to stand on their own then have to have this awkward interaction to make them worth it, as they feel very weak on their own. Another issue I was having was losing my attune target in the mix of things, there is no VFX on the main target effected which makes them really easy to lose if you are switching around targets. Sure yo u can see damage numbers over their heads, but in alot of situations it's still hard to line it up, specially if it's a group like council and many of the enemies look identical. Also on stalker I kept having a issue with the DoT damage would cause the enemy to quickly start fleeing forcing me to chase or lose attune, which kinda just sucks, since it would happen very quickly. This isn't a issue unique to sonic melee, but it feels worse since you lose attune and have to set it up again. All and all it works fine, just feels really over-complicated single target DPS wise, and not really great in normal misions due to how much setup it needs. AoE feels great at least. It's current state is fine, but I don't think I'd play it. -
I mean, you are completely hamstringing the set by doing that, the fighting pool powers are very weak by stalker standards, and especially by fire melee standards, you would have better luck doing this with scrapper honestly but even then, not taking greater fire sword is a massive hit to your DPS. Exploding shuriken is great but normal shuriken is very weak, and not really useful as anything other then a back up ranged attack. Going either all sword or all fist though, would pretty severely handicap your damage in both AoE and single target, I wouldn't recommend. All fist you could do, but it would be very inefficient, and all sword would just not be feasible as you would only have 3 attacks and would be missing core parts of your kit like assassin's blaze. If you don't like the swords just play NRG,StJ, or Rad and color it orange and say it's fire, otherwise you are really hampering your effectiveness. If you want a fire sword only, katana, Broadsword, and Dual blades all have fire sword skins that you can use.
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As someone with a fully kitted out 50+3 staff/psi, I can confirm it's a solid combo. It's AoE is extremely good, and it's survivability is comparable to tanks. It's single target is solid but definitely a bit on the lower end for a stalker specifically, but would be considered high by other at standards. It trades a bit of ST damage for utility, aoe, and survivability, but I would hardly call it bad at that. I can still solo most 54 AVs without much difficulty. I can confirm what everone else says about ice melee, its a very well rounded set on stalker. I do want to defend EM a bit though, while it only gets a single AoE cone, power crash get a buff on stalker compared to the other ATs, so it hits like a firetruck, on fire with a fairly low cool down and decent range and arc. It actually has fairly decent AoE presence off that one power alone. If you want a PBAoE for gameplay reasons though I understand.
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Idea police here, This idea wouldn't work because trying to get people to change their behavior to not point out a unrealistic idea for being unrealistic on a forum where anyone can waltz in a post anything, and doing so is not against the rules, is rather unrealistic. To change this would unfortunately require more GM hours for our voluntary team for what would likely be a unpopular change of the forums rules, and a societal movement the world over where people decide to stop criticizing the ideas of others on the internet. All in all it doesn't seem very realistic and it's lost my vote. /jranger Side note, is the name "Idea police" taken yet? That's a good one.
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With slotting it's very strong at 10 stacks, even on a stalker, it's very much worth up keeping
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The HC devs fixed it on open beta a few years ago but decided not to due to backlash. While its honestly fairly balanced and even interesting as a game mechanic, nothing signpost that it should work like that, implying it is not intended.
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Kin melee's animation times are both very long, and very back loaded which is not good. Long animation times are already bad due to how fast things tend to move in this game, its why alot of people really don't like TW despite it being almost objectively one of the best melee sets in the game. Not only is there a large chance that the target you are attacking died or takes enough damage to make the attacks overkill, but thats more time that you are locked in place committed to that one action, where faster sets could move or take a utility/surviability action. This isn't a death blow on its own, but the sets "ok" to terrible DPA on most attacks seals the deal. The real nail in the coffin however is power siphon which is the sets main gimmick and takes the slot where build up would normally be, the intent with this power is to sorta make it a set that ramps up over time, like DB or claws. However unlike DB or claws, this often takes too long to build up, as you need to hit like 3-5 times before you actually start seeing values that would make it worth it, this, COULD work in a fast hitting set, but kin is not that, as stated before, it's the opposite of that. Oh and remember this is a game where a blaster can erase a small army from existence in about 3 seconds, burst damage is king here, something kin is horribly lacking in. That's not even to mention such wonderful power choices as "Power that knocks a cone of enemies AWAY from a melee character", yes you can make this ok with a KB-KD but what kinda design is that? Sure claws has shockwave that kinda does that but that has a MUCH lower KB, does far better damage, and is also a day 1 set, kin is from much later in the games life, the should have known better. You also have "Burst" a AoE that takes 3 seconds to activate, has a tiny radius, and hit about as hard as a slight gust of wind, which might be the single worst PBAoE attack in a melee set. For the record this is only for tank/brute/scrapper, Stalker kin is a entirely different beast, I would go out on a limb and say it's one of the better choices. It' gets the best assassin's strike in the game and by alot, having a full lighting fast 0.6 second animation time in its quick form with no loss in damage, making it possibly the single best DPS melee attack in the game, and rounding out its rotation to let you entirely skip the non criting, 3 second activation time, concentrated strike. It trades the gimmicky power siphon for build up, making the set actually have burst damage now. Best of all, due to a glitch Burst on stalker has a 100% crit chance from hide, turning a extremely lack luster AoE, into a proper nuke when hidden, gving it a solid AoE presence. It's not perfect, the attacks are still back loaded in DPS and outside of AS and burst, are still only "OK" DPS at best but it's a far better set and honestly pretty fun.
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Kaika replied to temnix's topic in General Discussion
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