0th Power Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Quicksand does -def but can’t slot -def IOs. Please allow quicksand to slot -def IOs. I am Pro-Human I invented Combat Teleport I invented K'ong (More proof here too) Battle Rifle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeraphimKensai Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Sounds reasonable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezmera Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) It may have something to do with the constant effect of this target location power interacting with the procs inside those -def sets. The Achilles proc is a pretty strong one. Telekinesis doesn't take hold sets likely due to being able to pulse all of those procs. The power enhancement and bonuses in these powers likely isn't a reason to disallow, it's typically there being some possible proc abuse maybe they identified. Edited July 24, 2021 by Mezmera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aethereal Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 49 minutes ago, Mezmera said: It may have something to do with the constant effect of this target location power interacting with the procs inside those -def sets. The Achilles proc is a pretty strong one. Quicksand is a pseudopet. It procs poorly. I don't think this is the right explanation. The -def on quicksand is considerable (-25%)! It might just not take defense debuffs because they don't want it to floor all defense all the time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mezmera Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 (edited) 35 minutes ago, aethereal said: Quicksand is a pseudopet. It procs poorly. I don't think this is the right explanation. The -def on quicksand is considerable (-25%)! It might just not take defense debuffs because they don't want it to floor all defense all the time. Not an explanation. Just spitballing. I have no familiarity with quicksand itself, just the concept, being familiar with ice slick and some of those same type of powers. If it doesn't take ANY -def enhancement, not even the plain SO and basic IO's then yeah it's likely to be just considered great -defense on its own at 25% and far too good if slotted which would be more plausible. Edited July 24, 2021 by Mezmera Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavicle Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Quicksand is a Control power with a debuff side effect. Similar to how Rain of Fire has a Slow but can't be slotted for Slow. If it was slottable they would have to reduce the base value. Wavicle's Guide To What Really Matters: What Needs To Be Done On Every Toon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Pretty much every power except Volcanic Gases and Animate Stone does -defense even the sleep, Salt Crystals. Only Earthquake takes defense debuff enhancements and sets. Quicksand's debuff is -25, Earthquake is -10% (and enhanceable) the rest sit at -20%. None of the pet's attacks do defense debuff. Can only guess why most can't be enhanced and why EQ can be etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavicle Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 4 minutes ago, Doomguide2005 said: Pretty much every power except Volcanic Gases and Animate Stone does -defense even the sleep, Salt Crystals. Only Earthquake takes defense debuff enhancements and sets. Quicksand's debuff is -25, Earthquake is -10% (and enhanceable) the rest sit at -20%. None of the pet's attacks do defense debuff. Can only guess why most can't be enhanced and why EQ can be etc.. It's clear why, because of the values. If the others could be enhanced they would all be down around 10% like EQ. Wavicle's Guide To What Really Matters: What Needs To Be Done On Every Toon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, Wavicle said: Quicksand is a Control power with a debuff side effect. Similar to how Rain of Fire has a Slow but can't be slotted for Slow. If it was slottable they would have to reduce the base value. Maybe. But then why can so many of Ice Controls use Slow enhancement? Why Sleet or Freezing Rain? Not saying you're wrong just not seeing a consistent pattern or line of thinking down that road. Not that it has to be consistent... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wavicle Posted July 24, 2021 Share Posted July 24, 2021 Just now, Doomguide2005 said: Maybe. But then why can so many of Ice Controls use Slow enhancement? Why Sleet or Freezing Rain? Not saying you're wrong just not seeing a consistent pattern or line of thinking down that road. Not that it has to be consistent... Yeah, it's not consistent. Wavicle's Guide To What Really Matters: What Needs To Be Done On Every Toon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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