Quicksand

[0th Power]

Quicksand does -def but can’t slot -def IOs.  Please allow quicksand to slot -def IOs. 

[SeraphimKensai]

Sounds reasonable.

[Mezmera]

It may have something to do with the constant effect of this target location power interacting with the procs inside those -def sets.  The Achilles proc is a pretty strong one.  

 

Telekinesis doesn't take hold sets likely due to being able to pulse all of those procs.  The power enhancement and bonuses in these powers likely isn't a reason to disallow, it's typically there being some possible proc abuse maybe they identified.     

Edited July 24, 2021 by Mezmera

[aethereal]

49 minutes ago, Mezmera said:

It may have something to do with the constant effect of this target location power interacting with the procs inside those -def sets.  The Achilles proc is a pretty strong one.  

 

Quicksand is a pseudopet.  It procs poorly.  I don't think this is the right explanation.

 

The -def on quicksand is considerable (-25%)!  It might just not take defense debuffs because they don't want it to floor all defense all the time.

[Mezmera]

35 minutes ago, aethereal said:

 

Quicksand is a pseudopet.  It procs poorly.  I don't think this is the right explanation.

 

The -def on quicksand is considerable (-25%)!  It might just not take defense debuffs because they don't want it to floor all defense all the time.

 

Not an explanation.  Just spitballing.  I have no familiarity with quicksand itself, just the concept, being familiar with ice slick and some of those same type of powers.  

 

If it doesn't take ANY -def enhancement, not even the plain SO and basic IO's then yeah it's likely to be just considered great -defense on its own at 25% and far too good if slotted which would be more plausible.  

Edited July 24, 2021 by Mezmera

[Wavicle]

Quicksand is a Control power with a debuff side effect. Similar to how Rain of Fire has a Slow but can't be slotted for Slow. If it was slottable they would have to reduce the base value.

[Doomguide2005]

     Pretty much every power except Volcanic Gases and Animate Stone does -defense even the sleep, Salt Crystals.  Only Earthquake takes defense debuff enhancements and sets.  Quicksand's debuff is -25, Earthquake is -10% (and enhanceable) the rest sit at -20%.  None of the pet's attacks do defense debuff.  Can only guess why most can't be enhanced and why EQ can be etc..

[Wavicle]

4 minutes ago, Doomguide2005 said:

     Pretty much every power except Volcanic Gases and Animate Stone does -defense even the sleep, Salt Crystals.  Only Earthquake takes defense debuff enhancements and sets.  Quicksand's debuff is -25, Earthquake is -10% (and enhanceable) the rest sit at -20%.  None of the pet's attacks do defense debuff.  Can only guess why most can't be enhanced and why EQ can be etc..

 

It's clear why, because of the values. If the others could be enhanced they would all be down around 10% like EQ.

[Doomguide2005]

6 minutes ago, Wavicle said:

Quicksand is a Control power with a debuff side effect. Similar to how Rain of Fire has a Slow but can't be slotted for Slow. If it was slottable they would have to reduce the base value.

Maybe.  But then why can so many of Ice Controls use Slow enhancement?  Why Sleet or Freezing Rain?  Not saying you're wrong just not seeing a consistent pattern or line of thinking down that road.  Not that it has to be consistent...

[Wavicle]

Just now, Doomguide2005 said:

Maybe.  But then why can so many of Ice Controls use Slow enhancement?  Why Sleet or Freezing Rain?  Not saying you're wrong just not seeing a consistent pattern or line of thinking down that road.  Not that it has to be consistent...

 

Yeah, it's not consistent.