Voltak Posted October 22, 2021 Share Posted October 22, 2021 Level 16, just for the fun and the adventure. Let's see what this power combination can do vs an ArchVillain. Blue inspirations were used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Without_Pause Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 "Level 16." Top 10 Most Fun 50s. 1. Without Mercy: Claws/ea Scrapper. 2. Outsmart: Fort 3. Sneakers: Stj/ea Stalker. 4. Waterpark: Water/temp Blaster. 5. Project Next: Ice/stone Brute. 6. Mighty Matt: Rad/bio Brute. 7. Without Pause: Claws/wp Brute. 8. Emma Strange: Ill/dark. 9. Nothing But Flowers: Plant/storm Controller. 10. Obsidian Smoke: Fire/dark Corr. "Downtime is for mortals." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 1 hour ago, Without_Pause said: "Level 16." Yeah, I believe that's the limit of what game exempts you down to. So, if you are 50, you get exempted down to lvl 16. When I said llv 16, I was referring to the exempted level the game places for that TF. I hope that clears it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Metatheory Posted October 23, 2021 Share Posted October 23, 2021 How did you floor his regen? Procs in the rad blasts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 23, 2021 Author Share Posted October 23, 2021 39 minutes ago, Metatheory said: How did you floor his regen? Procs in the rad blasts? Howling Twilight is a monster regen debuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZorkNemesis Posted October 24, 2021 Share Posted October 24, 2021 14 hours ago, Metatheory said: How did you floor his regen? Procs in the rad blasts? Both Twilight Grasp and Howling Twilight debuff Regen, with HT being more potent. Currently playing on Indomitable as @Zork Nemesis; was a Protector native on live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 26, 2021 Author Share Posted October 26, 2021 On 10/24/2021 at 5:01 AM, ZorkNemesis said: Both Twilight Grasp and Howling Twilight debuff Regen, with HT being more potent. Yes, 500% vs 50%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) The difference is HT is not going to be anywhere near perma on a AV typically (at the recharge cap it'll be 6 seconds off perma). Even at high levels of recharge there are going to be substantial gaps in the regen debuff. HT has a base recharge of 180 seconds, the regen debuff lasts 30 seconds. Now Twilight's Grasp regen debuff lasts 20 seconds, its recharge is a base 8 seconds and the regen debuff (50%) stacks with itself. The only real drawback, especially fighting an AV solo is rather clearly if you're spamming TG to debuff regen you also are not doing damage to said AV. That said HT is going to massacre the AVs regeneration while the debuff is in effect resulting in a significant overall boost to effective dps ... and TG will hamper regen during HTs cooldown the rest of the time. Edited October 27, 2021 by Doomguide2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 On 10/23/2021 at 2:46 AM, Voltak said: Yeah, I believe that's the limit of what game exempts you down to. ? Unless i misunderstand (probably am) what you're referencing (the TF vs the game in general), you can exemp far lower than 16th. I've been as low as 3rd on my Main scrapper joining a friend shortly after he left Outbreak. As for the TF it's a range of 11th to 16th, so yeah 16th is probably as low as you can go without other "tricks" being used. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 First destroy his regen -> HT and TG ✅, next hit him with resistance debuffs -> Tar Patch and resist debuff procs in Rad Blast ✅, next survive -> Hover out of reach with defenses, Heal as needed (TG), debuff his To Hit (lol, playing Dark), debuff his damage (TG and DN) ✅, limit mobility -> Tar Patch, HT ✅ Reap rewards! That should about sum it up. 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 17 minutes ago, Doomguide2005 said: ? Unless i misunderstand (probably am) what you're referencing (the TF vs the game in general), you can exemp far lower than 16th. I've been as low as 3rd on my Main scrapper joining a friend shortly after he left Outbreak. As for the TF it's a range of 11th to 16th, so yeah 16th is probably as low as you can go without other "tricks" being used. Yes, you misunderstood. The game will exempt you down to lvl 16 in this TF if you are 50. Of course, that's what I am saying, bud Yep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Doomguide2005 said: First destroy his regen -> HT and TG ✅, next hit him with resistance debuffs -> Tar Patch and resist debuff procs in Rad Blast ✅, next survive -> Hover out of reach with defenses, Heal as needed (TG), debuff his To Hit (lol, playing Dark), debuff his damage (TG and DN) ✅, limit mobility -> Tar Patch, HT ✅ Reap rewards! That should about sum it up. 😁 I take it you saw the vid then 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Voltak said: I take it you saw the vid then 🙂 Yes I've also run several Dark Miasma to 50 back on Live including a Dark/ Rad defender. Though sadly he hit 50 back in the dark ages of i5 or i6 and I got around to an IO build rather late and he had lots of ... competition for my attention at that point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 27, 2021 Author Share Posted October 27, 2021 36 minutes ago, Doomguide2005 said: Yes I've also run several Dark Miasma to 50 back on Live including a Dark/ Rad defender. Though sadly he hit 50 back in the dark ages of i5 or i6 and I got around to an IO build rather late and he had lots of ... competition for my attention at that point. They sure are easy to love, those Dark Defenders. I was immediately hooked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doomguide2005 Posted October 27, 2021 Share Posted October 27, 2021 44 minutes ago, Voltak said: They sure are easy to love, those Dark Defenders. I was immediately hooked. Indeed I had a Dark/Rad and Dark/Fire defender I recall for sure at 50 then a Dark/Sonic that was in his 40's as I recall, as well as a Ice/Dark corruptor at 50. Probably others I'm forgetting or recalling a Mids build vs in game etc.. Nastiest was a 5 man static group with friends. All were something involving Dark and including 2 Dark Miasma (it ended up as 1 scrapper, 4 defenders). Mine wasn't a Dark Miasma but a Sonic/Dark. Kind of bored ourselves to death and playing as a group petered out in the 20's (crushing Arachnos on +4/×8 in Faultline) though mine saw 50. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderIV Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 10 hours ago, Voltak said: They sure are easy to love, those Dark Defenders. I was immediately hooked. Would you say Dark Defenders are your favorite/top tier pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 It is not my favorite. I don't have favorites. It is absolutely top tier. Very few defenders are not top tier in what they do. But Dark is masterfully well rounded, and certainly easy to love 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StriderIV Posted October 28, 2021 Share Posted October 28, 2021 8 hours ago, Voltak said: It is not my favorite. I don't have favorites. It is absolutely top tier. Very few defenders are not top tier in what they do. But Dark is masterfully well rounded, and certainly easy to love As an overall combo for endgame content, would you recommend Dark/Rad over, say, your Elec/Elec Defender? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voltak Posted October 28, 2021 Author Share Posted October 28, 2021 Both are excellent One is stronger on the debugger, the other is stronger on the buffing side Both strong By the way I uploaded the other AV fight with the dark defender Check the new post 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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