Could/Should the "Wolfspider" Arachnos Soldier be its own path? (Discussion)

[Sakura Tenshi]

Not really a suggestion since, I feel like that requires actually having a more solid idea of if it even should be done or not, but rather this thread is meant to be discussion: There's some of us who have played the Soldier of Arachnos Archetype, and rather than invest terribly heavily into Crab Spider (pink unicorns in their rarity, honestly, though I can understand why) or Banespider powers, some people choose to stick with the gun and only take a few powers from the banespider primary pool (mostly build up) and generally embrace being an automatic weapon wielding grunt. I cannot be certain, but I feel like it's a much more popular choice than one would think and while the Live Devs probably never intended or even wanted players to go that route, it became sort of a fun thing for people to do, but it does show that Huntsman/Wolf spider builds were never intended to be a legitimate thing with their dismal power selections.

 

So to make to the point: should the 'Huntsman' path be looked at by the team (if at all possible) to make it more 'viable'/'fleshed out' than it currently is? And if so, what ways? (my first thought would be to just slap on full auto as a primary power and call it) Or if you don't think so, why not?

 

I also want to apologize if I should put this specifically into the SoA subforum, just kind of hoped for a broad range of discussion and ideas.

[Bill Z Bubba]

My soldier is exactly as you describe as shown below, but I'm gonna go with no. It's a choice no different than going with a Human Only Kheldian build. Still an Arachnos Soldier, just one that doesn't want spider legs or a mace.

 

[Errants]

Similar, though I didn't take Venge/Victory...

[Bill Z Bubba]

2 minutes ago, Errants said:

Similar, though I didn't take Venge/Victory...

 

Yours is better. Even when I looked at mine I couldn't figure out why I didn't take Surveillance.

[Errants]

 Lost the build, will have to remake. This is in Wentworth's.

Nevermind, not remaking, this is a hot mess... When I revisit it, I'll need to fix it.

Edited June 6, 2022 by Errants

[Two Dollar Bill]

My favorite SoA is definitely my Crab Spider, but I do have a Huntsman. He's an alt but I like him better than any of my Sentinels.

Could Huntsmen be made better? Yes. Would I allocate a developer to improve this very fringe build that almost nobody cares about? No.

[Errants]

3 hours ago, Bill Z Bubba said:

Yours is better. Even when I looked at mine I couldn't figure out why I didn't take Surveillance.

 

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Arbiter Nevyn: Level 50 Magic Arachnos Soldier
Primary Power Set: Bane Spider Soldier
Secondary Power Set: Bane Spider Training
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Single Shot -- Apc-Dmg:50(A), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(3), Apc-Acc/Rchg:50(3), Apc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(5), Apc-Dam%:50(5), AchHee-ResDeb%:20(7)
Level 1: Bane Spider Armor Upgrade -- GldArm-3defTpProc:10(A), GldArm-ResDam:50(7), GldArm-End/Res:50(9), UnbGrd-ResDam:50(9), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx:50(11)
Level 2: Burst -- SprSpdBit-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprSpdBit-Dmg/Rchg:50(17), SprSpdBit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(19), SprSpdBit-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(19), SprSpdBit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21), SprSpdBit-Rchg/Global Toxic:50(21)
Level 4: Wolf Spider Armor -- StdPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), StdPrt-ResDam/EndRdx:30(23), StdPrt-ResKB:30(23)
Level 6: Wide Area Web Grenade -- GrvAnc-Immob/Rchg:50(A), GrvAnc-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(25), GrvAnc-Acc/Rchg:50(46), GrvAnc-Immob/EndRdx:50(48), GrvAnc-Hold%:50(48)
Level 8: Heavy Burst -- DS:DSyncAccRange(A), DS:DSyncDamRange(27), PstBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(27), Ann-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(29), Ann-ResDeb%:50(29), PstBls-Dmg/Rng:50(31)
Level 10: Tactical Training: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(31), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(31)
Level 12: Venom Grenade -- SprDmnofA-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprDmnofA-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), SprDmnofA-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(33), SprDmnofA-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(33), SprDmnofA-Rchg/DmgFear%:50(34), Ann-ResDeb%:50(34)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(34)
Level 16: Kick -- Hct-Dmg:50(A), Hct-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(25), Hct-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Hct-Dmg/EndRdx:50(50), Hct-Dam%:50(50)
Level 18: Frag Grenade -- SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg:50(A), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx:50(36), SprFrzBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(36), SprFrzBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Acc/Rchg:50(36), SprFrzBls-Rchg/ImmobProc:50(37), FrcFdb-Rechg%:50(37)
Level 20: Tough -- UnbGrd-Max HP%:20(A), UnbGrd-ResDam:50(37), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx:50(39), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(39)
Level 22: Mental Training -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 24: Cloaking Device -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(39), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(40)
Level 26: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(40), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(40)
Level 28: Surveillance -- DS:DSyncAccDefDebuffToHitDebuff(A)
Level 30: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(42), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(42)
Level 32: Tactical Training: Assault -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 35: Assault -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 38: Call Reinforcements -- ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg:50(A), ExpRnf-Dmg/EndRdx:50(42), ExpRnf-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(43), ExpRnf-+Res(Pets):50(43), CaltoArm-EndRdx/Dmg/Rchg:30(43), CaltoArm-+Def(Pets):30(45)
Level 41: Combat Jumping -- Rct-ResDam%:50(A), Ksm-ToHit+:30(45), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP:50(50)
Level 44: Combat Training: Defensive -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+:50(A), LucoftheG-Def:50(45), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 47: Tactical Training: Leadership -- RctRtc-Pcptn:20(A)
Level 49: Vengeance -- Prv-Absorb%:50(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 1: Conditioning | Hidden 
Level 1: Sprint -- UnbLea-Stlth:50(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 1: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End:50(A), Mrc-Rcvry+:40(11), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+:50(13), Pnc-Heal:50(46)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 1: Stamina -- PwrTrns-+Heal:50(A), PwrTrns-EndMod:50(13), PrfShf-End%:50(15), PrfShf-EndMod:50(15), SynSck-EndMod/+RunSpeed:50(17)
Level 50: Born In Battle 
Level 50: High Pain Threshold 
Level 50: Invader 
Level 50: Marshal 
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Here's a rough redraw... went a little spendier.

[Doomguide2005]

    One of my favorites towards the end on Live.  They hit about level 49.9 before Sunset, couldn't quite get them finished.  Only a handful of alts would've seen as much playtime going forward.  The build is currently trapped on a USB (i hope) by the death of my computer.

[Sakura Tenshi]

I’m not really talking about builds, I do know it’s pretty easy to build a good Arachnos soldier, i more just mean like, should they get some later on powers to flesh out those who want to stick with being a huntsman.

 

But I will probably keep those builds in consideration myself for later.

[Six-Six]

I have all sorts of spiders and the Huntsman is one of my top 10 favourites. I think the AR + nades gets around the lack of no redraw option and it works quite smoothly. Is it stronk? I'd place it somewhere between a blaster and a sentinel... less damage and utility than a blaster, but tankier plus more team buff than a sentinel.

[Errants]

3 hours ago, Sakura Tenshi said:

I’m not really talking about builds, I do know it’s pretty easy to build a good Arachnos soldier, i more just mean like, should they get some later on powers to flesh out those who want to stick with being a huntsman.

 

But I will probably keep those builds in consideration myself for later.

 

Sorry, got sidetracked way too late/early in the morning, due to mini-conversation with @Bill Z Bubba