Fire/Nature: What's Good? What's Skippable?

[tripthicket]

The title pretty much says it all. Going to try Fire/Nature. Also, what's good to choose with the Epic/Patron pools?

 

This character is meant to be Support first, then backup Damage for the hard TFs. Range or Melee, whatever it takes.

 

If you've played this, what's your attack chain?

 

Also, what Incarnates?

[SeraphimKensai]

You have three long recharging PBAoE buffs so you'll want to get a relatively high amount of recharge in the build. You can also build to for some pretty reasonable levels of resistance as well, and use bonuses for defenses) recharge.

 

On nature you can get by without Rebirth, and possibly Entangling Aura since this is a corruptor (Entangling Aura works really good for controllers stacking with other holds). On Fire Blast you can skip fire breath, and probably flares as you'll have a full enough chain without it.

[Carnifax]

Here's my Fire/Nature. Reasonably cheap and room to replace some sets with purples for more recharge. 

 

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Crom Cruaich: Level 50 Natural Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Fire Blast
Secondary Power Set: Nature Affinity
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Fire Blast -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(3), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg(5), SprScrBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Corrosive Enzymes -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Fire Ball -- SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMlcoft-Dmg/Rchg(7), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), SprMlcoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), SprMlcoft-Rchg/Dmg%(11)
Level 4: Regrowth -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(15), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(15), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg(17), Prv-Absorb%(19)
Level 6: Rain of Fire -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(19), Artl-Dam/Rech(21), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(21), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(23), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(23)
Level 8: Wild Growth -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(25), UnbGrd-Max HP%(25), UnbGrd-ResDam(27), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(27), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(29)
Level 10: Spirit Ward -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 12: Spore Cloud -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(48), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(50), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(50)
Level 14: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(36)
Level 16: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 18: Blaze -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(31), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), SprScrBls-Rchg/+End(31), SprScrBls-Dmg/Rchg(33), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 20: Wild Bastion -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(33), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal(34), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(36)
Level 22: Rune of Protection -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Lifegiving Spores -- Heal-I(A)
Level 26: Blazing Bolt -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(37), StnoftheM-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg(37), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), StnoftheM-Acc/ActRdx/Rng(39), Apc-Dam%(39)
Level 28: Aim -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 30: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Inferno -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(39), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(40), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Obl-%Dam(42)
Level 35: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff-I(42), DefBuff-I(42)
Level 38: Overgrowth -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 41: Entangling Aura -- Lck-Acc/Hold(A), Lck-Acc/Rchg(43), Lck-Rchg/Hold(43), Lck-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(45), Lck-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(45), Lck-%Hold(45)
Level 44: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(46), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(46), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff-I(48), DefBuff-I(48)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(50), DefBuff-I(36)
Level 1: Scourge 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(13), EndMod-I(13)
Level 49: Quick Form 
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon 
Level 50: Pyronic Core Final Judgement 
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface 
Level 50: Banished Pantheon Core Superior Ally 
Level 50: Clarion Total Core Invocation 
Level 50: Support Radial Embodiment 
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*Edit, I would say get Fire Breath or Entangling. Depends on how you like to play. 

Edited July 18, 2022 by Carnifax

[Uun]

I've taken Nature to 50 twice (controller and defender). I consider Lifegiving Spores skippable (or something to take at lvl 49). While many skip Rebirth, keep in mind that it's not just a rez, it's also a heal/endurance buff that can be used on living allies. I really like Entangling Aura (since it doesn't take accuracy I frankenslot with 3x Hold/EndRed), but it does require you be in melee. On Fire I would skip Flares and possibly Fire Breath.

[oedipus_tex]

Fire's nuke is PBAoE, so I would possibly consider going with something like Fire/Nature/Dark, and taking Soul Drain to vampire +Damage from enemies. You can use a combo of Oppressive Gloom (Mag 2 Stun) and Entangling Aura (chance for Mag 3 Hold) to keep things occupied. It used to be crucial to have mezz protection to really make these powers work, but recent changes to offensive toggles make it less so. It's not always safe to use Soul Drain, but if you get good at it, you can often damage cap yourself for long periods of time, made easier by Nature's big +Damage boost in its T9.

 

I agree that Lifegiving Spores and the rezz are the most skippable powers in Nature. They are both good powers, but sometimes you need other stuff. I would try not to skip either if you plan on doing top tier Hardmode content like the updated ITF, though.

 

In Carnifax's build above you can see a good use of the Sorcery pool to get part-time mezz protection. 

 

You can probably find a Fire Blast build on the forum somewhere. It's a very popular set, and very straight forward. A lot of people skip the cone. 

Keep in mind endurance is likely to be your biggest battle. Nature has some End Redux but it still hammers your bar when paired with a fast casting set like Fire. You also will want to get enough global Recharge to make the nuke come up quickly and make Nature's powers perma.

[JayboH]

On 7/18/2022 at 5:13 PM, Carnifax said:

Here's my Fire/Nature. Reasonably cheap and room to replace some sets with purples for more recharge. 

 

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Crom Cruaich: Level 50 Natural Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Fire Blast
Secondary Power Set: Nature Affinity
Power Pool: Sorcery
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Fire Blast -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(3), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg(5), SprScrBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(5), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7)
Level 1: Corrosive Enzymes -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Fire Ball -- SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMlcoft-Dmg/Rchg(7), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), SprMlcoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(11), SprMlcoft-Rchg/Dmg%(11)
Level 4: Regrowth -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(15), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(15), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg(17), Prv-Absorb%(19)
Level 6: Rain of Fire -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(19), Artl-Dam/Rech(21), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(21), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(23), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(23)
Level 8: Wild Growth -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(25), UnbGrd-Max HP%(25), UnbGrd-ResDam(27), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(27), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(29)
Level 10: Spirit Ward -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 12: Spore Cloud -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(48), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(50), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(50)
Level 14: Mystic Flight -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(36)
Level 16: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(29)
Level 18: Blaze -- Thn-Acc/Dmg(A), Thn-Dmg/Rchg(31), Thn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(31), SprScrBls-Rchg/+End(31), SprScrBls-Dmg/Rchg(33), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33)
Level 20: Wild Bastion -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(33), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(34), NmnCnv-Heal(34), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(36)
Level 22: Rune of Protection -- Empty(A)
Level 24: Lifegiving Spores -- Heal-I(A)
Level 26: Blazing Bolt -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(37), StnoftheM-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg(37), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(37), StnoftheM-Acc/ActRdx/Rng(39), Apc-Dam%(39)
Level 28: Aim -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 30: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 32: Inferno -- Obl-Dmg(A), Obl-Acc/Rchg(39), Obl-Dmg/Rchg(40), Obl-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Obl-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Obl-%Dam(42)
Level 35: Scorpion Shield -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff-I(42), DefBuff-I(42)
Level 38: Overgrowth -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(43)
Level 41: Entangling Aura -- Lck-Acc/Hold(A), Lck-Acc/Rchg(43), Lck-Rchg/Hold(43), Lck-EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(45), Lck-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg/Hold(45), Lck-%Hold(45)
Level 44: Tough -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(46), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(46), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 47: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), DefBuff-I(48), DefBuff-I(48)
Level 49: Maneuvers -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), Rct-ResDam%(50), DefBuff-I(36)
Level 1: Scourge 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Health -- Pnc-Heal/+End(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(13), EndMod-I(13)
Level 49: Quick Form 
Level 50: Musculature Core Paragon 
Level 50: Pyronic Core Final Judgement 
Level 50: Reactive Radial Flawless Interface 
Level 50: Banished Pantheon Core Superior Ally 
Level 50: Clarion Total Core Invocation 
Level 50: Support Radial Embodiment 
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*Edit, I would say get Fire Breath or Entangling. Depends on how you like to play. 

Kinda looks like the main problem would be endurance.

[Carnifax]

4 hours ago, JayboH said:

Kinda looks like the main problem would be endurance.

No, not especially that I've noticed. Certainly not compared to my Fire/NRG Domi (which is painful).

[brasilgringo]

This may be what I'm running.  

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Level 50 Natural Corruptor
Primary Power Set: Fire Blast
Secondary Power Set: Nature Affinity
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Teleportation
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mace Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Fire Blast -- Apc-Dmg(A), Apc-Dmg/Rchg(3), Apc-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(3), Apc-Acc/Rchg(5), Apc-Dam%(5)
Level 1: Corrosive Enzymes -- Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Fire Ball -- SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg(A), SprScrBls-Dmg/Rchg(7), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(7), SprScrBls-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprScrBls-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), SprScrBls-Rchg/+End(11)
Level 4: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 6: Regrowth -- Prv-Heal(A), Prv-Heal/EndRdx(13), Prv-Absorb%(15), Prv-EndRdx/Rchg(15), Prv-Heal/Rchg(17), Prv-Heal/Rchg/EndRdx(17)
Level 8: Rain of Fire -- Artl-Acc/Dam(A), Artl-Dam/End(19), Artl-Dam/Rech(33), Artl-Acc/Dam/Rech(34), Artl-Acc/Rech/Rng(34), Artl-End/Rech/Rng(34)
Level 10: Wild Growth -- UnbGrd-ResDam(A), UnbGrd-ResDam/EndRdx(19), UnbGrd-Rchg/ResDam(21), UnbGrd-Max HP%(21)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(A), ShlWal-ResDam/Re TP(23), Ksm-ToHit+(23)
Level 14: Super Speed -- Clr-RunSpd(A), Clr-EndRdx(25)
Level 16: Teleport Target -- BlsoftheZ-ResKB(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(33)
Level 18: Blaze -- SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg(A), SprMlcoft-Dmg/Rchg(27), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(27), SprMlcoft-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), SprMlcoft-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(29), SprMlcoft-Rchg/Dmg%(31)
Level 20: Aim -- GssSynFr--Build%(A)
Level 22: Wild Bastion -- NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx(A), NmnCnv-EndRdx/Rchg(37), NmnCnv-Heal/Rchg(39), NmnCnv-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(39), NmnCnv-Heal(39), NmnCnv-Regen/Rcvry+(40)
Level 24: Teleport -- BlsoftheZ-Travel/EndRdx(A), BlsoftheZ-Travel(25)
Level 26: Blazing Bolt -- StnoftheM-Acc/Dmg(A), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx(36), StnoftheM-Dmg/ActRdx/Rchg(36), StnoftheM-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(36), StnoftheM-Dam%(37), GldJvl-Dam%(37)
Level 28: Fold Space -- RechRdx-I(A), Acc-I(40)
Level 30: Spore Cloud -- DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb(A), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/Rchg(31), DarWtcDsp-ToHitdeb/Rchg/EndRdx(31), DarWtcDsp-ToHitDeb/EndRdx(33)
Level 32: Inferno -- Arm-Dmg(A), Arm-Dmg/Rchg(40), Arm-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Arm-Acc/Rchg(42), Arm-Dam%(42)
Level 35: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Overgrowth -- AdjTrg-ToHit(A), AdjTrg-ToHit/Rchg(43), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg(43), AdjTrg-EndRdx/Rchg(43), AdjTrg-ToHit/EndRdx(45), AdjTrg-Rchg(45)
Level 41: Scorpion Shield -- Rct-Def(A), Rct-Def/EndRdx(45), Rct-EndRdx/Rchg(46), Rct-Def/Rchg(46), Rct-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(46), Rct-ResDam%(48)
Level 44: Tough -- GldArm-3defTpProc(A), StdPrt-ResDam/Def+(48)
Level 47: Weave -- LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx(A), LucoftheG-EndRdx/Rchg(48), LucoftheG-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(50), LucoftheG-Def(50), LucoftheG-Def/Rchg+(50)
Level 49: Rebirth -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 1: Scourge 
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Clr-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrc-Rcvry+(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- PrfShf-EndMod(A), PrfShf-End%(11)
Level 49: Quick Form 
Level 14: Speed Phase 
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