Which is better Katana VS Broadsword?

[Daihok]

Was wondering which is better the katan vs the broadsword? I mean i see the attacks are fairly similar. But as far as animation times ect goes? Also will pairing with either Elec Armor or Energy armor havent decided which yet.

[marcussmythe]

Katana has faster animations, and hits nearly as hard.

Broadswords big relative strength is you can combine it with Shield - which Katana cannot do.

[Daihok]

Ok cool thanks for this.

[JusticeBowler]

Was wondering which is better the katan vs the broadsword? I mean i see the attacks are fairly similar. But as far as animation times ect goes? Also will pairing with either Elec Armor or Energy armor havent decided which yet.

 

If there's a Katana player on a team with a Broadsword team, you can be sure the Katana player will remind the BS guy (and everyone else) that Katana is so much better. At one point it was like Katana players were doing Crossfit and they just wouldn't shut up about it.

 

(Note: I've had BS scrappers and experienced this almost every time I came across a katana player. I've actually had them private tell me until I started ignoring them. I don't know what the heck is wrong with these zealots.)

[jack_nomind]

Katana does more damage at any level of recharge than BS, and the difference increases in favor of Katana the higher-recharge the build is.

 

/crossfit

 

/my first 50 was BS/SR hoverscrapper, no regrets

[marcussmythe]

Katana does more damage at any level of recharge than BS, and the difference increases in favor of Katana the higher-recharge the build is.

 

/crossfit

 

/my first 50 was BS/SR hoverscrapper, no regrets

 

You can, however, put BS with a Shield.  I can only anticipate BS+Shield, assuming it has an audience, rather thoroughly outperforms Katana.  :)

 

For extra credit, put it on a Stalker, slot the ATO, and live your life auto-critting headsplitter, cause why not?

[jack_nomind]

Without enhancements, yeah, BS/SD is better than Kat/Invuln or w/e.  The difference is pretty minimal at normal Fury and slotting levels (~100% recharge, ~100% dmg, 75 Fury).  At higher build scores, or with something like Bio as the secondary, Katana pulls back ahead.  It really is that much better.

 

SD's awesome though, and I'm not talking about survivability or anything like that here.

 

 

[marcussmythe]

Yeah, SDs advantage on damage shows more strongly on Tank or Brute than Scrapper, because Fury.

 

Same is ofc also true of Bio.

[Daihok]

Well so far this is the build i have put together need help on trying to soft cap defense without sacrificing to much of anything else if anyone could help.

 

 

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Praetor: Level 50 Technology Brute

Primary Power Set: Katana

Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor

Power Pool: Fighting

Power Pool: Concealment

Power Pool: Speed

Power Pool: Leaping

Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery

 

Villain Profile:

Level 1: Gambler's Cut

• (A) Blistering Cold - Recharge/Chance for Hold
  
• (3) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  
• (3) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage
  
• (5) Superior Blistering Cold - Damage/Endurance
  
• (5) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  
• (7) Superior Blistering Cold - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  

Level 1: Charged Armor

• (A) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
  
• (19) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
  
• (19) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  

Level 2: Flashing Steel

• (A) Superior Brute's Fury - Recharge/Fury Bonus
  
• (7) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Recharge
  
• (9) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage
  
• (9) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  
• (11) Superior Brute's Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  
• (11) Superior Brute's Fury - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  

Level 4: Boxing

• (A) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)
  
• (13) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
  
• (13) Hecatomb - Damage
  
• (15) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
  
• (15) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  

Level 6: Conductive Shield

• (A) Aegis - Resistance
  
• (17) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  
• (17) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
  

Level 8: Stealth

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  
• (40) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  

Level 10: Lightning Field

• (A) Superior Avalanche - Recharge/Chance for Knockdown
  
• (21) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
  
• (21) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  
• (25) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  
• (27) Superior Avalanche - Damage/Endurance
  
• (34) Superior Avalanche - Accuracy/Damage
  

Level 12: Static Shield

• (A) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  

Level 14: Tough

• (A) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)
  

Level 16: Weave

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  
• (37) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  
• (43) Shield Wall - +Res (Teleportation), +5% Res (All)
  

Level 18: Grant Invisibility

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  
• (48) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
  

Level 20: The Lotus Drops

• (A) Armageddon - Chance for Fire Damage
  
• (43) Armageddon - Damage/Endurance
  
• (46) Armageddon - Damage
  
• (48) Armageddon - Damage/Recharge
  
• (48) Armageddon - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  

Level 22: Grounded

• (A) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance
  
• (23) Aegis - Resistance
  
• (23) Aegis - Resistance/Endurance
  

Level 24: Hasten

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  
• (25) Recharge Reduction IO
  

Level 26: Build Up

• (A) Recharge Reduction IO
  
• (27) Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control - Chance for Build Up
  

Level 28: Energize

• (A) Preventive Medicine - Chance for +Absorb
  
• (29) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime/Endurance
  
• (29) Preventive Medicine - Heal
  
• (31) Preventive Medicine - Heal/Endurance
  
• (31) Preventive Medicine - Endurance/RechargeTime
  
• (31) Preventive Medicine - Heal/RechargeTime
  

Level 30: Lightning Reflexes

• (A) HamiO:Microfilament Exposure
  

Level 32: Golden Dragonfly

• (A) Superior Unrelenting Fury - RechargeTime/+Regen/+End
  
• (33) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  
• (33) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage
  
• (33) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Damage/RechargeTime
  
• (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Accuracy/Damage/RechargeTime
  
• (34) Superior Unrelenting Fury - Damage/Endurance/RechargeTime
  

Level 35: Power Sink

• (A) Mocking Beratement - Recharge
  
• (36) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Range
  
• (36) Mocking Beratement - Taunt
  
• (36) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge
  
• (37) Mocking Beratement - Taunt/Recharge/Range
  
• (37) Mocking Beratement - Accuracy/Recharge
  

Level 38: Electrifying Fences

• (A) Superior Frozen Blast - Recharge/Chance for Immobilize
  
• (39) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  
• (39) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage
  
• (39) Superior Frozen Blast - Damage/Endurance
  
• (40) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  
• (40) Superior Frozen Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  

Level 41: Ball Lightning

• (A) Ragnarok - Chance for Knockdown
  
• (42) Ragnarok - Damage/Recharge
  
• (42) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  
• (42) Ragnarok - Accuracy/Recharge
  
• (43) Ragnarok - Damage/Endurance
  

Level 44: Mu Lightning

• (A) Superior Winter's Bite - Recharge/Chance for -Speed & -Recharge
  
• (45) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/Endurance/Accuracy/RechargeTime
  
• (45) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage
  
• (45) Superior Winter's Bite - Damage/RechargeTime
  
• (46) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
  
• (46) Superior Winter's Bite - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
  

Level 47: Combat Jumping

• (A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
  

Level 49: Super Jump

• (A) Unbounded Leap - +Stealth
  

Level 1: Brawl

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

• (A) Empty
  

Level 1: Fury

Level 1: Sprint

• (A) Empty
  

Level 2: Rest

• (A) Empty
  

Level 4: Ninja Run

Level 2: Swift

• (A) Empty
  

Level 2: Health

• (A) Panacea - +Hit Points/Endurance
  
• (50) Numina's Convalesence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
  
• (50) Miracle - +Recovery
  

Level 2: Hurdle

• (A) Empty
  

Level 2: Stamina

• (A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
  
• (50) Performance Shifter - EndMod
  

Level 50: Agility Core Paragon

Level 50: Melee Core Embodiment

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Set Bonus Totals:

• 8% DamageBuff(Smashing)
  
• 8% DamageBuff(Lethal)
  
• 8% DamageBuff(Fire)
  
• 8% DamageBuff(Cold)
  
• 8% DamageBuff(Energy)
  
• 8% DamageBuff(Negative)
  
• 8% DamageBuff(Toxic)
  
• 8% DamageBuff(Psionic)
  
• 23.5% Defense(Smashing)
  
• 23.5% Defense(Lethal)
  
• 32.88% Defense(Fire)
  
• 32.88% Defense(Cold)
  
• 11% Defense(Energy)
  
• 11% Defense(Negative)
  
• 6% Defense(Psionic)
  
• 22.25% Defense(Melee)
  
• 8.5% Defense(Ranged)
  
• 23.19% Defense(AoE)
  
• 1.8% Max End
  
• 45% Enhancement(Accuracy)
  
• 86.25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
  
• 3.75% Enhancement(Max EnduranceDiscount)
  
• 22.5% SpeedFlying
  
• GrantPower Preventive Medicine (10% chance, if Scourge)
  
• 73.09 HP (4.88%) HitPoints
  
• 22.5% JumpHeight
  
• 22.5% SpeedJumping
  
• Knockback (Mag -4)
  
• Knockup (Mag -4)
  
• MezResist(Confused) 92.5%
  
• MezResist(Held) 92.5%
  
• MezResist(Immobilized) 92.5%
  
• MezResist(Sleep) 92.5%
  
• MezResist(Stunned) 92.5%
  
• MezResist(Terrorized) 92.5%
  
• 21.5% (0.36 End/sec) Recovery
  
• 46% (2.87 HP/sec) Regeneration
  
• 60% ResEffect(SpeedFlying)
  
• 60% ResEffect(RechargeTime)
  
• 60% ResEffect(SpeedRunning)
  
• 21.5% Resistance(Smashing)
  
• 21.5% Resistance(Lethal)
  
• 38% Resistance(Fire)
  
• 38% Resistance(Cold)
  
• 11% Resistance(Energy)
  
• 11% Resistance(Negative)
  
• 5% Resistance(Toxic)
  
• 10% Resistance(Psionic)
  
• 22.5% SpeedRunning
  
• 1 Null
  

 

 

 

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[Redlynne]

If there's a Katana player on a team with a Broadsword team, you can be sure the Katana player will remind the BS guy (and everyone else) that Katana is so much better. At one point it was like Katana players were doing Crossfit and they just wouldn't shut up about it.

 

(Note: I've had BS scrappers and experienced this almost every time I came across a katana player. I've actually had them private tell me until I started ignoring them. I don't know what the heck is wrong with these zealots.)

 

I always had ... fun, I guess you could call it ... with the Katana zealots while playing Redlynne, my MA/SR/Soul Scrapper.

I'd watch the damage numbers we would both be outputting on targets ... verify that the Damage Per Attack numbers were in my favor (even without Focus Chi/Build Up) ... and then say in Team chat (a few times):

 

"My sneakers are doing more damage than your sword!"

 

They rarely had any comebacks to that (true) observation, so it rather neatly shut them up about how "superior" Katana was to ALL other melee primary powersets.  *^_^*

[Sidious]

I ran a BS/Regen Scrapper for most of Live until the end.

I was in a SG with a Katana/regen Scrapper leader.

We were pretty much the same build.

So naturally there was always the talk of who would win.

One day we were doing a SG PVP thing and he and I squared off.

I housed him.

 

Headsplitter, Disembowel, Hack.

He was dead.

 

Never again did I hear the question brought up.

 

 

Then there was a TF we ran without a Rad for debuffing AVs. We stone walled on Recluse. The tank had no problem holding him there. and with the other DPS pouring on the pressure Recluse was steady at half health. Even with build up running he squeaked by at a sliver of health, then healed up once Build Up wore off. It was very frustrating.

[Riverdusk]

Yeah, SDs advantage on damage shows more strongly on Tank or Brute than Scrapper, because Fury.

 

Same is ofc also true of Bio.

 

Opposite actually since SD and Bio's +damage% buff is higher for a scrapper.  Combine that with that higher buff affecting a higher base damage on a scrapper than a brute or tank.  Fury doesn't really have anything to do with it as fury buffs base damage, not enhanced/buffed damage. 

 

Interestingly enough I noticed the -damage debuff in bio for being in defensive stance is the same for both brute and scrapper, but the offensive stance damage buff is higher for scrapper.

 

 

[Riverdusk]

Was wondering which is better the katan vs the broadsword? I mean i see the attacks are fairly similar. But as far as animation times ect goes? Also will pairing with either Elec Armor or Energy armor havent decided which yet.

 

If there's a Katana player on a team with a Broadsword team, you can be sure the Katana player will remind the BS guy (and everyone else) that Katana is so much better. At one point it was like Katana players were doing Crossfit and they just wouldn't shut up about it.

 

(Note: I've had BS scrappers and experienced this almost every time I came across a katana player. I've actually had them private tell me until I started ignoring them. I don't know what the heck is wrong with these zealots.)

 

I've played katana a lot and have never and would never do this.  But I guess I shouldn't be surprised how rude people can be.  Now, if I'm asked, like in this topic, I'll always say Katana will give you better dps, but broadsword is fine if you like seeing big numbers, for PvP (as someone else brought up), or if you just like the feel/animations/character concept reasons better.  Or of course if you want to use a shield.

 

I do think they should give broadsword a slight damage bump.  It doesn't have to be exactly as good dps wise as katana as broadsword does have some of its own advantages, but a little bump wouldn't hurt.

[Rokkeb]

Broadsword on a stalker, katana on scrapper and brute.

 

[marcussmythe]

Yeah, SDs advantage on damage shows more strongly on Tank or Brute than Scrapper, because Fury.

 

Same is ofc also true of Bio.

 

Opposite actually since SD and Bio's +damage% buff is higher for a scrapper.  Combine that with that higher buff affecting a higher base damage on a scrapper than a brute or tank.  Fury doesn't really have anything to do with it as fury buffs base damage, not enhanced/buffed damage. 

 

Interestingly enough I noticed the -damage debuff in bio for being in defensive stance is the same for both brute and scrapper, but the offensive stance damage buff is higher for scrapper.

 

You are absolutely correct.  I had meant to type ‘On Tank or Scrapper rather than on Brute’

 

And yes, for the same reason, Defensive Adapation hurts a Brutes output less, again because Fury.

[JayboH]

Let's be clear:  Katana is known as a great powerset for good reason.

 

Nothing wrong with Broadsword - however the speed difference mentioned makes whiffing that much more painful.

 

What I'd rather see is a debate on Katana vs Dual Blades.  Katana and Broadsword get the nice +defense attack but still...

[Rokkeb]

I took on a full +4/8 group of freakshow on my stalker after the alpha dropped our brute, and the chaos that followed killed everyone else in the group.

 

Broadsword / elec - I was spamming party to keep defense capped and my lightning auras took care of their other dmg.

 

Was hilarious being the best tank in the group as a stalker. That mission changed my opinion on broadsword and katana defense buffs. Might not be as useful at 50 with full IOs, but having on demand stacking defense while leveling is amazing.