Superman: Legacy First Look

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

 

That's the funniest thing about it. As someone who sees the current administration as an Onion parody come to life, I have no idea what the "political" issue is. 

I watched that trailer and just saw a bunch of standard Superman story tropes.

It’s just rumors being thrown about.  But Superman in cuffs was not the big complaint.

 

As I said in the FF thread - I don’t know if any are real or not, and will wait until the movie comes out to decide.

[TTRPGWhiz]

21 minutes ago, GM_GooglyMoogly said:

 

Our players have strong opinions on superhero movies.  It makes sense considering we're all playing a superhero game. 

 

But sometimes those strong opinions lead to heated personal arguments.  This is a preemptive request to be excellent to each other and also not get into politics before it's too late!  

 

Thanks!

How many comments like "blue-haired patriarchy hater", "DEI trash pile", and "woke garbage" need to be posted before it's considered "into politics"?

[TTRPGWhiz]

47 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Yes. The issue is that I want to watch a good Superman movie. Now, if there's also a little bit of a political story in there, as there was in Man of Steel, that's fine. One of the things that I liked about Man of Steel is that the authorities reacted realistically instead of just being non-existent like they have been in most Superman stories.

 

But if the dialog comes off like a blue-haired, patriarchy hater is condescendingly lecturing me about "Orange Man Bad". . .  Well, I don't plan on sitting in the theater for two hours listening to that garbage.

Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own.

[PeregrineFalcon]

21 minutes ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

Being constantly offended doesn't mean you're right, it means you're too narcissistic to tolerate opinions different than your own.

Oh I do so love it when folks deliberately "misunderstand" that quote. 😄

 

I'm not offended by the possibility of a the new Superman movie having dialog as I described in my last post. I just wouldn't find it entertaining, and I wouldn't want to watch it, and I certainly wouldn't wany to pay for tickets. There's a huge difference between "OMG! I'm offended" and "Nah, I'm out thanks."

 

And you know that Whiz. You didn't misunderstand my quote, you're way smarter than that. You deliberately pretended to misunderstand it in an attempt to dunk on me. Well, all I have to say is, to quote another movie, "Try harder. Try again."

[TTRPGWhiz]

12 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Oh I do so love it when folks deliberately "misunderstand" that quote. 😄

 

I'm not offended by the possibility of a the new Superman movie having dialog as I described in my last post. I just wouldn't find it entertaining, and I wouldn't want to watch it, and I certainly wouldn't wany to pay for tickets. There's a huge difference between "OMG! I'm offended" and "Nah, I'm out thanks."

 

And you know that Whiz. You didn't misunderstand my quote, you're way smarter than that. You deliberately pretended to misunderstand it in an attempt to dunk on me. Well, all I have to say is, to quote another movie, "Try harder. Try again."

How will you know if it has dialogue you don't like until you buy a ticket and watch the movie? 

It's hilarious to me that people who claim to never be offended about anything are the *first* to come into any and every comic book movie thread with, "this better not be about the feminist agenda", or whatever is up your butt that day. Call if offended, triggered, whatever you want; you don't like the product and you don't have to watch it. But damn, you sure do like to complain about things that may or may not be in it.

[Techwright]

Back on the topic, namely the movie itself, I recognize several elements of the Superman and Justice League mythos, but I do not recognize the kaiju.  Any ideas?

[battlewraith]

1 hour ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

But if the dialog comes off like a blue-haired, patriarchy hater is condescendingly lecturing me about "Orange Man Bad". . .  Well, I don't plan on sitting in the theater for two hours listening to that garbage.

 

Sounds offended to me. Particularly in relation to a trailer for a James Gunn Superman movie. Somebody watching that trailer and then being haunted by this caricature is bizarre to say the least.

[TTRPGWhiz]

40 minutes ago, Techwright said:

Back on the topic, namely the movie itself, I recognize several elements of the Superman and Justice League mythos, but I do not recognize the kaiju.  Any ideas?

Sean Gunn (I think it’s just a kaiju, none of the marketing—toys included, usually the biggest spoiler culprit—lists a name)

[PeregrineFalcon]

1 hour ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

How will you know if it has dialogue you don't like until you buy a ticket and watch the movie?

Clearly I won't, and I never said otherwise. However, there are certain signs. Patterns if you will that I've noticed with other movies that ended up being bad that I'm seeing with this movie. And I hope that I'm wrong, because I actually want it to be a good movie.

 

1 hour ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

you don't like the product and you don't have to watch it.

You are correct.

 

1 hour ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

But damn, you sure do like to complain about things that may or may not be in it.

Once again, you are correct.

 

And, fortunately for me, you do not get to control what I am allowed to say. Feel free to go into my post history and down vote a bunch of my posts like you used to do. In any case I'm done responding to you. Take care and have a great Friday!

[El D]

40 minutes ago, Techwright said:

Back on the topic, namely the movie itself, I recognize several elements of the Superman and Justice League mythos, but I do not recognize the kaiju.  Any ideas?

 

It looks like a wholly new giant monster, though the fight itself could be a reference to this.

 

 

Not that Supes hasn't fought lots of giant monsters across his history, but a modern take on stuff from the classic Fleischer cartoons absolutely seems like a thing Gunn would include.

[TTRPGWhiz]

3 minutes ago, PeregrineFalcon said:

Clearly I won't, and I never said otherwise. However, there are certain signs. Patterns if you will that I've noticed with other movies that ended up being bad that I'm seeing with this movie. And I hope that I'm wrong, because I actually want it to be a good movie.

 

You are correct.

 

Once again, you are correct.

 

And, fortunately for me, you do not get to control what I am allowed to say. Feel free to go into my post history and down vote a bunch of my posts like you used to do. In any case I'm done responding to you. Take care and have a great Friday!

Yep. And other people, myself included, are free to point out that your opinions exhibit signs of ComicsGatey/alt-righty/DOGEy rhetoric. Freedom is fun!

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

6 hours ago, Techwright said:

Back on the topic, namely the movie itself, I recognize several elements of the Superman and Justice League mythos, but I do not recognize the kaiju.  Any ideas?

 

He's on pre-order from McFarlane already, and is just a bit-part, workaday Kaiju. Not even a named part. He should call his agent.

Probably be sitting forlornly in a booth in London Comic Con in a couple years trying to tell people he's worked with James Gunn.

 

Then again, McFarlane might be better at not spoilering than Lego or some of the other toymakers.

https://mcfarlane.com/toys/kaiju-superman-movie-mega-figure

 

Again, I'm wondering how he fits in the movie alongside Lex, The Engineer, The Hammer Of Boravia (?) and The Floating Eye Of Death.

(Hey, team-up?)

 

Wonder if the prevalence of such beasts attacking Metropolis is a plot point - might people start thinking they're all coming to town to challenge him or get him out of the way? And do they have worse insurance premiums than Paragon by now?

Edited May 16 by ThaOGDreamWeaver

[Techwright]

9 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

He's on pre-order from McFarlane already, and is just a bit-part, workaday Kaiju. Not even a named part. He should call his agent.

Probably be sitting forlornly in a booth in London Comic Con in a couple years trying to tell people he's worked with James Gunn.

 

Then again, McFarlane might be better at not spoilering than Lego or some of the other toymakers.

https://mcfarlane.com/toys/kaiju-superman-movie-mega-figure

McFarlane, though, is labeling the box with terms like "DC Multiverse" and "DC Universe Infinite".  Has Gunn or DC come out and said that his films version will be a multiverse version of the DC comics?

 

[Ulysses Dare]

7 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

 

He's on pre-order from McFarlane already, and is just a bit-part, workaday Kaiju. Not even a named part. He should call his agent.

Probably be sitting forlornly in a booth in London Comic Con in a couple years trying to tell people he's worked with James Gunn.

Yeah, it looked to me like a just-legally-distinct-enough version of not-Godzilla. Which makes sense for a bit part. Show the kaiju, show the city, and the audience immediately knows the stakes.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Had a look through the other toys on offer and forgot they've thrown Metamorpho into this too, though he's a good guy.

 

Having looked at some more offerings on the site, Multiverse might just be the branding for the toy/merch line. There's a whole range of stuff under that name, including JL Red Supes, the Keaton-Bat from The Flash, the classic animation Supes, various Harleys, Arthur and Murray from Joker... 

 

Speaking of which, They've already said that Matt Reeves The Batman and the Penguin series exist in a seperate Elseworld, and if the Bat shows up in this on top of everybody else it'll be a new Bat.

 

As for Multiversing the movie - please, no - I don't think so, unless the Black Noir lookin' dude behind Supes with a U on his chest when he's being arrested is an emo version of Ultraman. Or is that one of Lex's suits?

 

Edited May 17 by ThaOGDreamWeaver

[Techwright]

16 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Had a look through the other toys on offer and forgot they've thrown Metamorpho into this too, though he's a good guy.

 

Having looked at some more offerings on the site, Multiverse might just be the branding for the toy/merch line. There's a whole range of stuff under that name, including JL Red Supes, the Keaton-Bat from The Flash, the classic animation Supes, various Harleys, Arthur and Murray from Joker... 

 

Speaking of which, They've already said that Matt Reeves The Batman and the Penguin series exist in a seperate Elseworld, and if the Bat shows up in this on top of everybody else it'll be a new Bat.

 

As for Multiversing the movie - please, no - I don't think so, unless the Black Noir lookin' dude behind Supes with a U on his chest when he's being arrested is an emo version of Ultraman. Or is that one of Lex's suits?

 

 

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed the Ultraman-styled "U" .  Unless there's a big reveal at the end, I suspect its just an Easter egg, but the style is very specific.

Metamorpho actually is a good guy in other works.  I think in the comics as well?  He usually starts either confused, or on the wrong side and switches.  His actor, Anthony Carrigan, is no stranger to DC projects.  He portrayed one of Batman's Rogue's Gallery, the serial killer Victor Zsasz in the pre-Batman TV series Gotham.  The lady I'm having trouble figuring out.  Cybernetic weapon arms and a close alliance with Luthor would suggest Mercy Graves as the character, but I see no reference, currently, to Mercy in the IMDB listing.  I believe Luthor had another, similar aid, Grace, at one point, but I don't see that name either.  I guess she's The Engineer, then?  I've only recently learned of the character.  It apparently was one of several characters recently merged into DC Comics from another publishing house.

[Glacier Peak]

Good lord this thread is infected with the same rampant diatribes and personal attacks as all the other ones I've seen lately in the Comic sub forum. 

 

Can someone please answer my question before this thread gets locked too?

 

Is this a Superman universe origin story reset? My understanding is that WB got rid of the last universe (both TV and Film).

[battlewraith]

According to Google AI, this is a new continuity separate from any previous films, shows etc.

[El D]

29 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said:

Is this a Superman universe origin story reset? My understanding is that WB got rid of the last universe (both TV and Film).

 

It's almost entirely a new universe, yeah. There's a handful of characters carrying over from the tail-end of the former DC cinematic universe - Blue Beetle has the same actor and James Gunn's prior DC projects with The Suicide Squad and the Peacemaker series have carried over - but all the prior mainline films (Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Justice League, Aquaman 1/2, Wonder Woman 1/2, The Flash, etc.) have all been nixed. The CW shows (Arrowverse) were all basically off on their own continuity for the most part and ended before the DC film universe proper did AFAIK.

 

So it's mostly a fresh start, with a bit of 'the MCU integrating Netflix' business thrown in.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

Yup. Blue Beetle was the last official film released in the "DC Extended Universe".

The Flash was supposed to be the actual canonical "Flashpoint" type reboot event. But given flaccid commercial performance and other events around the movie, it's more of a full stop than a place to carry over from.

 

James Gunn & Peter Safran (producer) started the new DC Universe with Phase... sorry, Chapter 1, "Gods And Monsters". Which is a nice classic movie reference (Bride Of Frankenstein) as well as one of the better DC animated movies.

 

There are a few odds and ends with a foot in both worlds - Peacemaker was DCEU and will continue into DCU, with several guests from the DCU showing up (Grillo as Flagg Sr., Sean Gunn as Maxwell Lord, Fillion again, and Isabella Merced as Hawkgirl.) There may or may not be some kind of soft-reboot event in-series that marks the change. Xolo from Blue Beetle may come back as Gunn liked the movie and his performance, but nothing booked yet.

 

The Batman, Penguin and The Batman 2 will continue as a separate Elseworld.

(Quite happy about that, as it means Gunn and Safran aren't fussy about doing off-kilter projects. Still hoping for Gotham By Gaslight.)

 

First five announced DCUc1 films are:

• Superman (fka Superman: Legacy) - final post & polish. 11 July 2025.
• Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow - in production. 26 June 2026. Shooting at Leavesden using some of the Superman sets, and on location in Scotland and Iceland. Milly Alcock will make a guest shot in Superman.
• The Authority - script development. Angela Spica María Gabriela de Faría may reprise The Engineer if the script calls for her.
• The Brave and the Bold - script development. Despite the name, apparently goes to the Morrison era and will feature a lot of the Bat-family: so Batman & Son sounds like good core material. Worryingly, Flash's Andy Muschietti currently attached to direct. Hopefully he can do a better job with better suits and a new, less troublesome cast.
• Swamp Thing - development hell - James Gunn's other dream project since the Troma days, possibly with James Mangold on board.
   

TV and Animation:

• Creature Commandos - on release - and featuring The Bride as a core character, which is nice. Note that Grillo and Davis continue their characters in/from animation.
• Waller - in development - spinoff of Peacemaker, and Viola Davis should reprise if available.
• Lanterns - in development, expected 2026 - Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre booked as Hal Jordan and John Stewart, plus Fillion gets to suffer that haircut and makeup again as Guy. Kelly MacDonald joins as a civilian. Apparently inspired by True Detective. 
• Paradise Lost (WW prequel series) - in development - all-girl(?) Game Of Thrones on Themiscyra. 
• Booster Gold - in development  - not much detail out there at this time.

Edited Monday at 02:37 PM by ThaOGDreamWeaver

[Excraft]

3 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

• Supergirl: Woman of Tomorrow - in production. 26 June 2026. Shooting at Leavesden using some of the Superman sets, and on location in Scotland and Iceland. Milly Alcock will make a guest shot in Superman.
• Lanterns - in development, expected 2026 - Kyle Chandler and Aaron Pierre booked as Hal Jordan and John Stewart, plus Fillion gets to suffer that haircut and makeup again as Guy. Kelly MacDonald joins as a civilian. Apparently inspired by True Detective.

 

I'm looking forward to these.  Lanterns especially I think is a great setting for a sci-fi series. 

[TTRPGWhiz]

4 hours ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

The Authority - script development. Angela Spica may reprise The Engineer if the script calls for her.

Angela Spica is The Engineer's 'secret identity'; the actor is María Gabriela de Faría.

Have there been updates to the status of The Authority? Last time Gunn talked about it, he did not seem optimistic.

[Techwright]

16 hours ago, El D said:

 

It's almost entirely a new universe, yeah. There's a handful of characters carrying over from the tail-end of the former DC cinematic universe - Blue Beetle has the same actor and James Gunn's prior DC projects with The Suicide Squad and the Peacemaker series have carried over - but all the prior mainline films (Man of Steel, Batman v Superman, Justice League, Aquaman 1/2, Wonder Woman 1/2, The Flash, etc.) have all been nixed. The CW shows (Arrowverse) were all basically off on their own continuity for the most part and ended before the DC film universe proper did AFAIK.

 

So it's mostly a fresh start, with a bit of 'the MCU integrating Netflix' business thrown in.

 

Which all actually makes sense in that, with a comic book multi-verse, some things change, some things remain the same between two close universes.  It might actually be fun to have a couple of the previous actors "return" to this universe, but as different characters, much like the Arrow-verse had a bit of fun with that in their multi-verse crossovers and had Brandon Routh playing both The Atom and one of the Supermen.  I do hope one of the changes, though, is that this universe's Flash does not perceive himself as a speed skater.

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

2 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

Angela Spica is The Engineer's 'secret identity'; the actor is María Gabriela de Faría.

Have there been updates to the status of The Authority? Last time Gunn talked about it, he did not seem optimistic.

Gah. Fixed that. Thanks.

 

As to your question: not much beyond rumour at this point. I'm not found of the "studio insider said" clickbait at the best of times, but the one small thing I've found sounds sensible.

 

To do The Authority justice, you'd need to chuck $150m+ at an R- or at least 15-rated script. 

Deadpool pulled that off in spades, raking in $780m off a $58m budget and racking up a slew of awards.

 

But it's a big gamble. I would bet, with everything else going on, it's not going into production until after the bucks from Superman are banked. Then we'll know if there's still an audience and distributor appetite for cape flicks, and DC Studios will have proved themselves (or not.)

Edited Monday at 03:35 PM by ThaOGDreamWeaver

[El D]

1 hour ago, Techwright said:

 

Which all actually makes sense in that, with a comic book multi-verse, some things change, some things remain the same between two close universes.  It might actually be fun to have a couple of the previous actors "return" to this universe, but as different characters, much like the Arrow-verse had a bit of fun with that in their multi-verse crossovers and had Brandon Routh playing both The Atom and one of the Supermen.  I do hope one of the changes, though, is that this universe's Flash does not perceive himself as a speed skater.

 

Certainly true! Also that reminded me of another instance I somehow forgot - Jason Momoa is coming back as Lobo for the Supergirl movie. Which seems a much more natural fit for him rather than Aquaman, much as I enjoyed his take on Arthur. Dude is just made to be the Main Man. Agreed on the superspeed thing. I get the 'untethered to normal physics' vibe they were aiming at but that really doesn't sell fast movement, just comes across as really warped, uncontrolled momentum. Portraying it all in slow motion never helped either. IMO the best portrayal of the Flash's style of movement from mainstream movies has been the Sonic films (which is a Hell of a sentence). If the new DC films present Supes racing Flash or any speedster fights like that? It'll be comic-accurate and look good.