Superman: Legacy First Look

[ZacKing]

15 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

Looking forward to the success of and praise for this movie mitigating future doomsaying threads about movies that don’t come out for a year or more. ☺️

 

Did you see the movie?  If so, what did you think of it?  What did you like most?  Instead of using this as an opportunity to bring up all of those "doomsayers" you can't stand, why not use it to discuss the movie like you're always saying you wish people would do?

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

1 hour ago, Ghost said:

I was referring to YouTubers - not necessarily anyone on here (that I know of)

Being consistently wrong has never stopped Jim Cramer on the telly either. Maybe he should rename Mad Money to Profits Of Doom...

 

...anyhow. Didn't get to see the flick this weekend as we were on auntie/uncle duties, and they're too young to sit still for five minutes during a movie, let alone 120.

Even if Elsa's in it. Glad all seems to be good with it, the slightly odd lift from Invincible aside...

 

BTW, how many of you have seen the other super-offering from the Gunn family - Brightburn?

[BrandX]

11 hours ago, ZacKing said:

 

His DNA really had nothing to do with any of it.  Clark chooses to be a hero whether it was in his DNA or not.   Having Jor-El tell his son to conquer and be fruitful and multiply instead of being a beacon of hope doesn't lend anything to the character of Superman or his decision to become a hero and do good.  The Kents had way, way more to do with Clark becoming a hero than his Kryptonian parents ever did.  It's a superfluous, arbitrary change and appears to be shoehorned in as nothing more than change for the sake of change.  

 

 

 

Isn't all changes simply change for change?  That's what all the Elseworld titles are and movies are nothing more than Elseworlds.

[ZacKing]

25 minutes ago, BrandX said:

Isn't all changes simply change for change?  That's what all the Elseworld titles are and movies are nothing more than Elseworlds.

 

Well sure, but I never got into all of those myself.  I'd like to see the Superman from the stories I read when I was a kid, not evil Injustice Superman or some other version of him.  This just seemed like such an arbitrary thing to change.

[BrandX]

5 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

 

Well sure, but I never got into all of those myself.  I'd like to see the Superman from the stories I read when I was a kid, not evil Injustice Superman or some other version of him.  This just seemed like such an arbitrary thing to change.

 

From my understanding, it was the 1978 Superman that killed off Jonathan Kent first, not the comics.  That was change for change.  Now, I wonder if people cared about that death like they do about the harem.

 

That said, I still think in the next movie, it'll be shown Lex was able to edit the video to make it seem authentic.

[ZacKing]

18 minutes ago, BrandX said:

From my understanding, it was the 1978 Superman that killed off Jonathan Kent first, not the comics.  That was change for change.  Now, I wonder if people cared about that death like they do about the harem.

 

Yeah it's change for the sake of change too, but I think there's a rather large difference between kindly Jonathan Kent who brought his son up teaching him morals and to use his gifts to help and Jor-El saying "conquer Earth and get yourself a harem".  I believe you can see the difference too.

 

19 minutes ago, BrandX said:

That said, I still think in the next movie, it'll be shown Lex was able to edit the video to make it seem authentic.

 

That's not what was said in the film itself and essentially every article and review I've read/watched have said nope, the message is legit. 

 

[Ghost]

1 hour ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Being consistently wrong has never stopped Jim Cramer on the telly either. Maybe he should rename Mad Money to Profits Of Doom...

 

BTW, how many of you have seen the other super-offering from the Gunn family - Brightburn?

Can an opinion on something subjective, actually be wrong?

It can be unpopular or make little sense - but we all see things differently.  If we didn’t, there wouldn’t be so much variety and ultimately this world would become a very boring place.

As for Brightburn.  I saw it.  Enjoyed it, but didn’t like the ending.

I was hoping there would be a sequel, but it’s just not meant to be.

 

[battlewraith]

1 hour ago, Ghost said:

Can an opinion on something subjective, actually be wrong?

 

It can be poorly reasoned. Which is why people will change opinions on things when presented with arguments, information, etc.

[battlewraith]

One of the things I liked about this movie is that I pretty much agree with Luthor in that, at least in a comic book world, intellect should be able to overcome Superman's abilities. Superman is not a supergenius and he tends to react in predictable way. But Supes' most defining feature is his moral character and he acts almost like a moral hub for other characters. So when things get bad for Superman, he draws people in to help him. Whereas Luthor's an asshole, so when things go bad for him his support base crumbles. 

[ZacKing]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

One of the things I liked about this movie is that I pretty much agree with Luthor in that, at least in a comic book world, intellect should be able to overcome Superman's abilities. Superman is not a supergenius and he tends to react in predictable way. But Supes' most defining feature is his moral character and he acts almost like a moral hub for other characters. So when things get bad for Superman, he draws people in to help him. Whereas Luthor's an asshole, so when things go bad for him his support base crumbles. 

 

I completely agree.  Much better depiction of the Superman character than the Snyderverse version.  Not that I disliked Henry Cavill.  I thought he was a great Superman.  I'd just have liked to have seen him with a much better script.

[BrandX]

5 hours ago, ZacKing said:

 

Yeah it's change for the sake of change too, but I think there's a rather large difference between kindly Jonathan Kent who brought his son up teaching him morals and to use his gifts to help and Jor-El saying "conquer Earth and get yourself a harem".  I believe you can see the difference too.

 

 

That's not what was said in the film itself and essentially every article and review I've read/watched have said nope, the message is legit. 

 

 

What was said in the film was by Mr Terrific going, "People already authenticated it" which, I didn't think was saying much, since Lex got it from a garbled file and I feel it can easily be said he was able to figure out the language and edit it to be saying something other than what was originally said.

 

That said, the change gave us a better "Superman loves seeing pictures of his parents"

 

He was raised by the Kents, yet it's parents he never knew he felt more soothing?

[Greycat]

Watched. 

Enjoyed. 

Glad DC splurged and bought some light bulbs this time. 

[JKCarrier]

7 hours ago, BrandX said:

From my understanding, it was the 1978 Superman that killed off Jonathan Kent first, not the comics.

 

Nope. Ma and Pa kicking the bucket goes all the way back to 1939:

 

Great movie, BTW. I'm now hankerin' for solo Metamorpho and Mr. Terrific movies.

[TTRPGWhiz]

21 hours ago, ZacKing said:

 

Did you see the movie?  If so, what did you think of it?  What did you like most?  Instead of using this as an opportunity to bring up all of those "doomsayers" you can't stand, why not use it to discuss the movie like you're always saying you wish people would do?

Haven’t seen it yet so can’t comment on it. Imagine that.

Edited yesterday at 11:46 AM by TTRPGWhiz

[ZacKing]

1 hour ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

Haven’t seen it yet so can’t comment on it. Imagine that.

 

Right, I get that.  It's just funny to me that instead of commenting on the film which you're always lamenting people to do, you take the opportunity to bring up the nasty evil YouTuber schills that you hate so much.  If you don't want to talk about them, stop talking about them.

 

15 hours ago, BrandX said:

What was said in the film was by Mr Terrific going, "People already authenticated it" which, I didn't think was saying much, since Lex got it from a garbled file and I feel it can easily be said he was able to figure out the language and edit it to be saying something other than what was originally said.

 

That very well could be.  Even so, it seems like an arbitrary thing to throw in.

 

15 hours ago, BrandX said:

He was raised by the Kents, yet it's parents he never knew he felt more soothing?

 

Yeah this is odd too.  

[battlewraith]

8 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

Right, I get that.  It's just funny to me that instead of commenting on the film which you're always lamenting people to do, you take the opportunity to bring up the nasty evil YouTuber schills that you hate so much.  If you don't want to talk about them, stop talking about them.

 

I think his comments are in the vein of "did we learn anything from this." Go back to the start of this thread and it's people complaining that the suit looks bad. Go to the "shill" thread and it's people saying it's going to suck based on what their favorite influencer thinks. I think it's fair to point out the pointless negativity of a lot of those remarks now that the film is here.

 

Speaking of which, I thought the costumes in general looked great. I really liked Mr. Terrific's jacket. To me it looked like an actual item that somebody would wear as opposed to a costume piece.

[TTRPGWhiz]

52 minutes ago, ZacKing said:

 

Right, I get that.  It's just funny to me that instead of commenting on the film which you're always lamenting people to do, you take the opportunity to bring up the nasty evil YouTuber schills that you hate so much.  If you don't want to talk about them, stop talking about them.

I'm not talking about YouTubers.

 

[BrandX]

15 hours ago, JKCarrier said:

 

Nope. Ma and Pa kicking the bucket goes all the way back to 1939:

 

Great movie, BTW. I'm now hankerin' for solo Metamorpho and Mr. Terrific movies.

 

It seems in that era, Pa Kent gave him the name Superman, if what I'm reading about them dying.

 

But it does just go to show, the comics have changed things up with every reboot.

[BrandX]

1 hour ago, battlewraith said:

 

I think his comments are in the vein of "did we learn anything from this." Go back to the start of this thread and it's people complaining that the suit looks bad. Go to the "shill" thread and it's people saying it's going to suck based on what their favorite influencer thinks. I think it's fair to point out the pointless negativity of a lot of those remarks now that the film is here.

 

Speaking of which, I thought the costumes in general looked great. I really liked Mr. Terrific's jacket. To me it looked like an actual item that somebody would wear as opposed to a costume piece.

 

No one learns anything.  This isn't the first time it's happened.  People will consider them exceptions and just keep saying what they're saying.  Especially the grifters.

[battlewraith]

23 minutes ago, BrandX said:

 

No one learns anything.  This isn't the first time it's happened.  People will consider them exceptions and just keep saying what they're saying.  Especially the grifters.

 

Time The forums are a flat circle.

[Excraft]

I saw it over the weekend.  Overall I enjoyed it.  There were some good parts, some parts I didn't like, but overall it was a good movie.  I do like the brighter, more hopeful/inspiring version of Superman than the Snyder films.  Casting was well done.  The Jor-El message thing was a bit of a head scratcher and I don't know if I liked how Supergirl was depicted.  It was an entertaining film and that's good enough for me.  David Corenswet does a great job as Superman and Rachel Brosnahan I think had the most character makes a great Lois Lane.  They had good chemistry together.

 

2 hours ago, battlewraith said:

Go back to the start of this thread and it's people complaining that the suit looks bad.

 

That was me.  I still think the suit looks goofy.  I'm not sold on the S symbol.  

[El D]

2 hours ago, battlewraith said:

Speaking of which, I thought the costumes in general looked great. I really liked Mr. Terrific's jacket. To me it looked like an actual item that somebody would wear as opposed to a costume piece.

 

Seconding this. Mr. Terrific's look in the film is, well, terrific. As is the man himself, honestly. Going forward I really hope this approach becomes the default for superhero outfit design, especially given the general malaise over nano-tech and CGI suits. When something is practical and functional and also accurately embodies the colorful, dynamic comic depictions? That's when it was done correctly. At that point it's just up to personal aesthetic tastes, which is much more reasonable digression. I can fully understand how some folks might not care for specific aspects of this Superman's suit (like @Excraft said about the S symbol design), but he still looks as vibrant and bright as Superman ought to and like the suit actually functions as an outfit he can put on and wear.

[Excraft]

1 hour ago, El D said:

Seconding this. Mr. Terrific's look in the film is, well, terrific. As is the man himself, honestly. Going forward I really hope this approach becomes the default for superhero outfit design, especially given the general malaise over nano-tech and CGI suits. When something is practical and functional and also accurately embodies the colorful, dynamic comic depictions? That's when it was done correctly.

 

I liked the Justice Gang's costumes, Hawkgirl especially.  Initially, I thought they looked a bit weird, but they'd grown on me and having now seen them in action, I agree they look good.  I also like the brighter coloring.  Man of Steel was much too dark and muted, although Superman's costume did improve in BvS and the Snyder Justice League.  I still think Superman looked a little goofy in this with the obvious muscle suit underneath.  My only real complaint is the S.  It looks more like a diagonal line than an "S" shape to me.  I do like the much brighter coloring on it and that its made to look like something other than a generic spandex bodysuit.  

[ThaOGDreamWeaver]

I've been watching the BBC Radio 1 interviews with Gunn, and there's one thing he mentions: also Corenswet, more coyly.

Why do you think Corenswet got cast?

"Because he looks like Superman... nobody else we tested or was brought up looked like him, and some guys you just wondered why the **** they were even there."

 

No makeup or styling required. He looks slightly goofier and sweeter than Cavill or Routh, and less classically handsome than Reeves, though that helps with pulling off the Clark part. But damn it if it's not right there.

2 hours ago, Excraft said:

I don't know if I liked how Supergirl was depicted.

 

 

Supergirl is going to be largely based on Supergirl: Woman Of Tomorrow, which is...

Spoiler

...basically True Grit. 

In space.

With a superdog.

 

The difference between the early 80s/Helen Slater version from Argo City and this book's take is that while Clark/Jor-El got to Earth as a baby, Kara lived through the fall of Krypton - then had to take the long way round to find her cousin. (And her dog.)

 

So despite looking and identifying younger than Clark, she's technically quite a lot older, a whole lot more damaged goods, and looking for a mission. Hence the anger and drinking.

And damn if a grieving, angry, vengeful young girl won't give her one...

 

Milly will return as Kara, joined by relative newcomer Eve Ridley (3 Body Problem, and, er... Little Baby Bum Time) as Ruthye, discount-Belgian-Hiddlestone-substitute Matt Schoenartz (Amsterdam, The Old Guard) as bad guy Krem Of The Yellow Hills. And a special guest appearance from Jason Momoa as Lobo.

 

Also, if you liked Fillion in this show, he promises Guy will be "the same a**hole in Lanterns. Exactly the same. He's nothing if not consistent."

 

Edited 21 hours ago by ThaOGDreamWeaver

[Excraft]

35 minutes ago, ThaOGDreamWeaver said:

Supergirl is going to be largely based on Supergirl: Woman Of Tomorrow, which is...

 

So I've read.  Well, not every comic depiction is a winner.  I wouldn't have gone with that, but congrats to those who will enjoy it.  I really liked Milly Alcock on House of the Dragon, I wish Supergirl was getting something better.