High level enemy group revamps

[Rudra]

12 minutes ago, Sanguinesun said:

On 6/30/2024 at 4:47 PM, Rudra said:

No, I'm saying because the devs already did it, there is no point to arguing about whether it was worth their time or not. The devs that already made these changes and had them implemented decided the change was worth their time. So we as the players of the game do not get to say it was not worth their time because they obviously thought it was for having done so. So if you want a change rolled back or changed to something else, find a different argument other than what the devs chose to do was not worth their time, because you do not get to decide what another person thinks is or is not worth their time, especially after they already showed they felt it was for having already done it.

 

(Edit: So to simplify my response, no for the 1st question and yes for the 2nd question.)

 

Edit again: You know what would make something a dev spent time making for the game a waste of their time? Telling them to remove it afterwards. If they remove something from the game after they have already spent the time developing it, testing it, and then implementing it, then all that time spent developing, testing, and implementing whatever it was is very much wasted for having to be removed. So you are asking the devs to have wasted their time when you ask them to undo something because you as a player of the game they are maintaining decided you think it was a waste of time. So if you want something changed or undone? You need a different argument than what is or is not a waste of time for them.

 

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No right way to inanely defend the wrong thing.

There are no grounds upon which a person can tell a volunteer that chose to do something that the said volunteer had an interest in, that doing so is a waste of time. Especially after said person has already done so. If you don't like a change, give a valid argument as to why that change should be undone. Because "You did this, and I want it rolled back. Your efforts in making this change were a waste of time." goes well beyond inane or asinine or whatever other word for foolish you choose to use.

[Sanguinesun]

On 8/7/2024 at 7:48 AM, Rudra said:

There are no grounds upon which a person can tell a volunteer that chose to do something that the said volunteer had an interest in, that doing so is a waste of time. Especially after said person has already done so. If you don't like a change, give a valid argument as to why that change should be undone. Because "You did this, and I want it rolled back. Your efforts in making this change were a waste of time." goes well beyond inane or asinine or whatever other word for foolish you choose to use.

 

And still no right way to defend the wrong there going on there.

[Rudra]

4 minutes ago, Sanguinesun said:

 

And still no right way to defend the wrong there going on there.

Then tell the devs why you think it was wrong. Don't say "This is a waste of time to do, so you should undo it", because first it has already been implemented, and second the dev obviously thought it wasn't a waste of his/her/their time to work on and implement. Tell the dev "Hey, I don't think this was a good change because...".

[Sanguinesun]

3 hours ago, Rudra said:

Then tell the devs why you think it was wrong. Don't say "This is a waste of time to do, so you should undo it", because first it has already been implemented, and second the dev obviously thought it wasn't a waste of his/her/their time to work on and implement. Tell the dev "Hey, I don't think this was a good change because...".

 

 

Guess what I'm going to state?  Yep, still again no right way to defend the wrong thing.  

[GM_GooglyMoogly]

Can we disagree without being disagreeable?

 

If not, can we agree to disagree and move on?

 

Please?

 

Thank you.

[Warboss]

On 8/6/2024 at 3:48 PM, Rudra said:

There are no grounds upon which a person can tell a volunteer that chose to do something that the said volunteer had an interest in, that doing so is a waste of time. Especially after said person has already done so. If you don't like a change, give a valid argument as to why that change should be undone. Because "You did this, and I want it rolled back. Your efforts in making this change were a waste of time." goes well beyond inane or asinine or whatever other word for foolish you choose to use.

 

Actually I did, on several threads and sent comments as well. Unfortunately with life you don't always have time to visit the test server. That doesn't mean feedback after a rollout is wrong. The Devs should be will to reevaluate the change and community response based on feedback provided at several different points in the rollout. For many players, myself included, it was the first time I encountered them. As the game is community supported, you have the right to provided feedback at any timen.  As I recall "Freem" wasn't extremely popular in the original game when it was initially tested/rolled out (April 1st or such iirc), so I'm a bit surprised it got pushed through here.

[golstat2003]

6 minutes ago, Warboss said:

 

Actually I did, on several threads and sent comments as well. Unfortunately with life you don't always have time to visit the test server. That doesn't mean feedback after a rollout is wrong. The Devs should be will to reevaluate the change and community response based on feedback provided at several different points in the rollout. For many players, myself included, it was the first time I encountered them. As the game is community supported, you have the right to provided feedback at any timen.  As I recall "Freem" wasn't extremely popular in the original game when it was initially tested/rolled out (April 1st or such iirc), so I'm a bit surprised it got pushed through here.

 

You can give feedback at any time you wish. Doens't mean they have to take that feedback.

 

I too wish they focused less on enemy revamps, but it is what it is.

 

However, I don't find the updates that bad on teams. Nearly every revamped group still gets curb stomped on level 50+ teams I've been on.

[Rudra]

8 minutes ago, Warboss said:

On 8/6/2024 at 4:48 PM, Rudra said:

There are no grounds upon which a person can tell a volunteer that chose to do something that the said volunteer had an interest in, that doing so is a waste of time. Especially after said person has already done so. If you don't like a change, give a valid argument as to why that change should be undone. Because "You did this, and I want it rolled back. Your efforts in making this change were a waste of time." goes well beyond inane or asinine or whatever other word for foolish you choose to use.

 

Actually I did, on several threads and sent comments as well. Unfortunately with life you don't always have time to visit the test server. That doesn't mean feedback after a rollout is wrong. The Devs should be will to reevaluate the change and community response based on feedback provided at several different points in the rollout. For many players, myself included, it was the first time I encountered them. As the game is community supported, you have the right to provided feedback at any timen.  As I recall "Freem" wasn't extremely popular in the original game when it was initially tested/rolled out (April 1st or such iirc), so I'm a bit surprised it got pushed through here.

You can give all the feedback you want. This forum is all about giving the devs feedback on things they implemented and on suggestions you would like them to consider. I am not saying to not give feedback. What I am saying is that none of us have any grounds to tell a dev (s)he/they is wasting their time on something. Especially to tell the dev (s)he/they is wasting their time on something after they have finished. If you don't like a change? Then say so. Give what it is you don't like about the change. Give your feedback, Telling a dev (s)he/they is/are wasting their time working on something (s)he/they already finished and implemented isn't giving feedback on said change though.

[Bionic_Flea]

9 hours ago, Rudra said:

You can give all the feedback you want. This forum is all about giving the devs feedback on things they implemented and on suggestions you would like them to consider. I am not saying to not give feedback. What I am saying is that none of us have any grounds to tell a dev (s)he/they is wasting their time on something. Especially to tell the dev (s)he/they is wasting their time on something after they have finished. If you don't like a change? Then say so. Give what it is you don't like about the change. Give your feedback, Telling a dev (s)he/they is/are wasting their time working on something (s)he/they already finished and implemented isn't giving feedback on said change though.

 

Can I give you the feedback that you are wasting your time providing this feedback to Warboss' feedback, even though you have already given your feedback to his feedback?

[Glacier Peak]

I'd like to jump in here and give unsolicited feedback on the feedback that is being fed back or back fed. 17 pages in a suggestion and feedback thread without lock is pretty impressive, well done.

[seebs]

On 6/6/2024 at 6:24 AM, CrusaderDroid said:

About one hour, tops.

 

Programming being time intensive? Sure. I can believe that. The basic design groundwork being time intensive? Only if you're so unpracticed that it takes you days to think of one power.

 

Ideas are not a big deal. I don't know the power team myself, so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the coding with a janky system that holds up anything, instead of the frankly insulting implication that they are somehow unable to generate ideas.

Generating ideas is easy. Generating ideas that actually work well is not.

[Rudra]

5 hours ago, Bionic_Flea said:

 

Can I give you the feedback that you are wasting your time providing this feedback to Warboss' feedback, even though you have already given your feedback to his feedback?

Sure.

[golstat2003]

Yo dawg I heard you like some feedback with your feedback, while offering feedback to the feedback that came in about the feedback.