Single Enhancement Slot Respecification

[ShardWarrior]

More often than not, when it comes to making alterations to a build, I am only looking to move a single slot around from one power to another.  Going through the entire respec process of selecting primary, secondary and pool powers and their slots all over again, adding enhancements back in and redoing all my power trays is cumbersome just for moving a single enhancement slot.  The respecification process is wonderful if I am making major changes to powers and/or pool selections and such.  It is overkill for moving a single slot.

 

It would be very spiffy if we could have a type of respec that would allow us to move a single slot without needing to go through the entire respec process. 

 

Some initial thoughts;

 

• Single enhancement resepec has to be earned in-game similar to the existing respec trials or from a respec recipe.
• Would require the need for enhancement unslotter to unslot any enhancement and move the desired slot.
• Potentially have an inf cost as an inf sink?

 

I understand this is probably very complicated to achieve, but I believe would be a nice feature if possible.

 

Thank you.

 

[Psyonico]

I think the better way to do it is to have a "full respec" and a "slot respec". Both of which would consume a standard respect, but the slot one would only affect slots, so no re-picking powers, no resetting trays, etc.

 

The reason I think this is a better approach is that if we have a 1 slot respec, people will start asking for a 2 slot respec, and this will continue to a certain point.  I doubt people would want a 50 slot respec, but I could see possible 10 slots being wanted.

[srmalloy]

3 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

I think the better way to do it is to have a "full respec" and a "slot respec". Both of which would consume a standard respect, but the slot one would only affect slots, so no re-picking powers, no resetting trays, etc.

Particularly if the 'slot respec' allowed you to drag a slot from one power to another, with any enhancement in that slot dropping into your enhancement tray(s), leaving the slot empty (even if the slot in its new position could take that enhancement). You would be able to drag slots around as you wanted, with a 'commit' button locking all the slots into their new positions.

[Rudra]

This has been asked about ad nauseum. Short answer is it won't happen because it can't happen because of how the game works. If something changed and the devs are able to do this? That would be fine. Don't hold your breath though.

[ShardWarrior]

20 minutes ago, Psyonico said:

I think the better way to do it is to have a "full respec" and a "slot respec". Both of which would consume a standard respect, but the slot one would only affect slots, so no re-picking powers, no resetting trays, etc.

 

The reason I think this is a better approach is that if we have a 1 slot respec, people will start asking for a 2 slot respec, and this will continue to a certain point.  I doubt people would want a 50 slot respec, but I could see possible 10 slots being wanted.

 

Better suggestion.  Thank you.

[Excraft]

I like the idea of having the option to respec slots only.  This would be a very nice QoL feature.

 

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

This has been asked about ad nauseum. Short answer is it won't happen because it can't happen because of how the game works. If something changed and the devs are able to do this? That would be fine. Don't hold your breath though.

 

It's the "won't happen because of how the game works" excuse that's been repeated ad nauseam.  There's a whole host of things that the game couldn't do before that it can do now.  And no one is holding their breath for any changes.  This subforum is for sharing ideas, even if they will never get implemented. 

[Rudra]

19 minutes ago, Excraft said:

There's a whole host of things that the game couldn't do before that it can do now. 

 

1 hour ago, Rudra said:

If something changed and the devs are able to do this? That would be fine.

 That was included in my response you quoted. Thanks for ignoring that.

 

19 minutes ago, Excraft said:

This subforum is for sharing ideas, even if they will never get implemented. 

And when suggestions like that are made, it is better to point out to the requester why it won't happen than let that person persist under the delusion it might. (Edit: That is part of the feedback portion of the Suggestions and Feedback forums we are on.)

 

Edited November 21 by Rudra

[ShardWarrior]

16 minutes ago, Rudra said:

And when suggestions like that are made, it is better to point out to the requester why it won't happen than let that person persist under the delusion it might.

 

Allow me to assure you, I am under no illusions whatsoever that my suggestion here will ever be implemented.  I completely understand this is a volunteer staff with limited time running this operation.  I believe it very safe to say most all of us on the forums know this as well, and that the majority of suggestions for changes posted here will never be implemented.  I certainly do not need you to enlighten me on that point.  I kindly ask that if you have something constructive to offer to the thread, please feel free to share it.  Otherwise, we do not need a reminder that not everything can or will be done.  Thank you.

[Rudra]

"Only give me feedback I like or can use" is not something anyone can agree to. Feedback comes in both positive and negative forms, both of which are constructive. The 'constructive' part of my feedback is "this has been asked for many times and you are not likely ever going to see it because of the game's limitations". It isn't a "Your idea sucks" or any other form of destructive feedback like that. I would love to be able to just respec a single power or a single enhancement slot. There have been many times that was all I needed but the respec system doesn't allow for it. Just because we want something though doesn't mean we get it. And I fail to see the point of making a request for something that won't happen, so I don't understand your position that you know this won't happen but are asking anyway.

[ShardWarrior]

I see you are intent on derailing the thread. 

 

Again, I will respectfully ask that if you would like to offer something constructive to the discussion, please feel free to do so.  Repeating that there are game and/or engine limitations as it stands now is not helpful, nor are you telling anyone anything they do not already know. 

 

I know full well that my idea, much like the overwhelming majority of the suggestions offered in this subforum, is very unlikely to ever be implemented. I am in no way making demands here that anything should be done just because I asked for it.  I am only offering a suggestion, whether it can or ever will be implemented is not up to me.  As far as I can see, there is no such restriction in the forum rules that states suggestions must be limited only to things the volunteer staff here can achieve. 

 

Thank you.

[Mystoc]

3 hours ago, Psyonico said:

I think the better way to do it is to have a "full respec" and a "slot respec". Both of which would consume a standard respect, but the slot one would only affect slots, so no re-picking powers, no resetting trays, etc.

 

you can actually avoid resetting trays if you rezone after respecing dont touch the power tray and enter a new zone and the power trays reset to how they looked pre respec, its a neat trick I just learned this year it's very useful.

 

and yes I support this change too its a good idea and will save time.

[JasperStone]

@Rudra is correct.

This has been asked for ad nauseum. 

Like ALOT.

 

I have requested this: a "slots only" respec where I can keep powers in the same order; just move a slot or slots around.*

 

If I remember correctly, the "limitations of the game" mentioned concern how our slots are tied into our power selections. And vice versa

 

IF a solution has been figured out, it is a possible change.

I am unsure how high up it would be on the list of updates.

 

So, it's not a derailment.

Just informing you of what has already been discussed.

 

*The recommendation was to start in MIDS ... and you don't need a respec

[ZacKing]

I love the idea, no matter how many times it's been asked for and whether or not anyone has said it is or isn't impossible to implement.   If it can be done, this would be an excellent QoL feature.

 

4 hours ago, JasperStone said:

This has been asked for ad nauseum. 

Like ALOT.

 

So has buffs to Regeneration.  So has changes to Empathy.  So has changes/additions to the costume editor.  So has improvements to the base editor.  So have A LOT of other things.

 

4 hours ago, JasperStone said:

*The recommendation was to start in MIDS ... and you don't need a respec

 

MIDS is a great tool for helping to design a build.  How that build will actually feel, perform and play in the game, not so much. 

[TheMoncrief]

I'd like to be able to fix a minor error in my build without going through the full respec process. I don't actually care about taking up a respec, HC is quite generous with those anyway. But it's such a pain to go through a respec, and the chance for making a mistake is usually there - especially if you are changing a lot of the sets you use and can't hold all the new stuff in your trays before the respec. A great qol improvement that is probably too hard to implement to merit the investment of time and resources. But it would still be nice.

[JasperStone]

6 hours ago, ZacKing said:

So has buffs to Regeneration.  So has changes to Empathy.  So has changes/additions to the costume editor.  So has improvements to the base editor.  So have A LOT of other things.

 

11 hours ago, JasperStone said:

If I remember correctly, the "limitations of the game" mentioned concern how our slots are tied into our power selections. And vice versa

You missed this part.

IT MAY NOT be feasible because of how power selection and slot placement are done.

11 hours ago, JasperStone said:

IF a solution has been figured out, it is a possible change.

I am unsure how high up it would be on the list of updates.

Also  this.

 

11 hours ago, JasperStone said:

I have requested this: a "slots only" respec where I can keep powers in the same order; just move a slot or slots around

IN NO WAY did I dismiss the idea.

 

6 hours ago, ZacKing said:

MIDS is a great tool for helping to design a build.  How that build will actually feel, perform and play in the game, not so much. 

I shared the response to MY request for a respec change.

 

The point you missed is:

This is a wanted thing and asked for. Repeatedly. So ... it is supported.

There are challenges in doing said thing.

So this wanted thing may not be feasible.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 22 by JasperStone

[ZacKing]

43 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

You missed this part.

IT MAY NOT be feasible because of how power selection and slot placement are done.

 

And you missed this part of my post -

 

7 hours ago, ZacKing said:

If it can be done, this would be an excellent QoL feature.

 

Do you see the word "if"?  That's me understanding that this might not be possible.

 

45 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

IN NO WAY did I dismiss the idea.

 

Who said you did? 

 

45 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

I shared the response to MY request for a respec change.

 

Thank you.  I shared my thoughts on that response.  It was not a criticism of you personally.  Why you appear to be taking it that way is beyond me.

 

48 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

The point you missed is:

This is a wanted thing and asked for. Repeatedly. So ... it is supported.

There are challenges in doing said thing.

So this wanted thing may not be feasible.

 

I didn't miss anything.  I understand completely this isn't a quick fix and may require a lot of work, if at all feasible to do.  I just said I like the idea.  As for people repeatedly asking for something, maybe that's an indication that it's worth another look.  Whether or not it can be done and the people here are willing to invest their free time and effort into it is for them to decide.  I don't think others should be discouraged from discussing thoughts and ideas because it's a topic that has come up before.

 

You're projecting anger onto yourself from me that isn't there.  Calm down. 

[Greycat]

Wow, so many people can't seem to handle a simple "The devs do not know how to have the game do this currently. It may not be able to be done at all. It may be able to be done with a new technique or a rewrite of something in the systems that back up the game in the future. But currently it's unlikely to happen because of how the game's written."

 

Yes, other things that couldn't be done were... wait for it... worked on and a way was found. That does not mean every little idea that comes into everyone's head can just magically be done, or that "it cannot currently be done" is not valid feedback.

 

15 hours ago, Excraft said:

It's the "won't happen because of how the game works" excuse that's been repeated ad nauseam.  There's a whole host of things that the game couldn't do before that it can do now.  And no one is holding their breath for any changes.  This subforum is for sharing ideas, even if they will never get implemented. 

 

If something cannot be done because of how the game is written and/or the devs knowledge, abilities, or toolset do not allow it, that is a fact, not an excuse, and it's something to be pointed out. It's a simple fact.

 

Putting it a different way, I cannot run a one minute mile at the moment. If I had a suggestion board and someone suggested I run a one minute mile, someone else saying "they're not able to do that as they currently are or would reasonably be able to train to achieve in the near future" would be correct. That doesn't mean in three years, I wouldn't have made enough changes in multiple things to be able to, but with no sign of me being able to (or interested in) making those changes, well, there's nothing wrong with pointing that out. Don't make the suggestion and expect me to do it next week or month.

 

Similiarly, there are things such as certain UI changes that keep getting brought up (such as the costume selection window having more slots) the devs can't, at this point, change, and which they do not see being able to change at this time. Pointing that out does not diminish the idea, but does give the person making the suggestion an idea of how realistic (or not) it is to be implemented right now.

 

It's "repeated ad nauseum" because *there are many things currently in that category.* Does it mean nobody WANTS to see things moved out of that category, or more things made possible? No, despite how some people want to paint certain people on the forums. Being able to give a realistic framing for how possible a suggestion is, if we know, helps people temper expectations.  It is not a rejection of the idea or the poster suggesting it.

[JasperStone]

2 hours ago, ZacKing said:

You're projecting anger onto yourself from me that isn't there.  Calm down. 

You did so well...up until this point.

 

You perceive someone defending their perspective as being angry?

Offering explanations as angry?

 

 

 

[ZacKing]

2 hours ago, Greycat said:

That does not mean every little idea that comes into everyone's head can just magically be done

 

Honest question, where are you getting this from here?  From what I can read here, everyone has said they understand there may be limitations involved and chances are slim to none this will ever be implemented.  Who exactly has said that this idea can "magically be done"?  It's just a suggestion.

 

2 hours ago, Greycat said:

Being able to give a realistic framing for how possible a suggestion is, if we know, helps people temper expectations. 

 

It seems to me everyone has said they don't expect anything to come of this.  If you could point out where someone has said this is absolutely possible, made a demand or insisted this should get done simply because they asked for it, please post it.  I think you and others here are misinterpreting positions that have been made very clear.

 

12 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

You perceive someone defending their perspective as being angry?

Offering explanations as angry?

 

Yeah no, you attacked me without really reading what I posted and I think you know that.  Your cute little video was an attempt to say myself and others are whining and demanding something. 

 

But it is cute to see you try and backpedal on that now.

 

 

 

[Excraft]

2 hours ago, Greycat said:

Yes, other things that couldn't be done were... wait for it... worked on and a way was found. That does not mean every little idea that comes into everyone's head can just magically be done, or that "it cannot currently be done" is not valid feedback.

 

It also doesn't mean everything is impossible based on your first sentence.  Sometimes a fresh look at an old problem yields new ideas.  Sometimes it confirms it can't be done. 

 

Is that a demand this get done?  No.  Does that mean that this is not impossible to program?  No.  Yes, we all know that there are a lot of things that can't be done with the game code.  Yes, we all know the chances that most every idea posted in these forums will never see the light of day.  We get it.  We heard you.  None of that should be a deterrent from people posting suggestions, thoughts and ideas and dreaming about things that they feel would improve the game. 

 

I can't speak for him, but from what I can tell players like @ShardWarrior have been around a long time and don't need to have his "expectations tempered", especially when they've already acknowledged the limitations you've mentioned. 

[JasperStone]

1 hour ago, ZacKing said:

 

Honest question, where are you getting this from here?  From what I can read here, everyone has said they understand there may be limitations involved and chances are slim to none this will ever be implemented.  Who exactly has said that this idea can "magically be done"?  It's just a suggestion.

 

 

It seems to me everyone has said they don't expect anything to come of this.  If you could point out where someone has said this is absolutely possible, made a demand or insisted this should get done simply because they asked for it, please post it.  I think you and others here are misinterpreting positions that have been made very clear.

 

 

Yeah no, you attacked me without really reading what I posted and I think you know that.  Your cute little video was an attempt to say myself and others are whining and demanding something. 

 

But it is cute to see you try and backpedal on that now.

 

 

 

No backpedaling.

And you honestly did not read what I wrote.

 

 

Do you view this as attacking?

 

....ah... the victim syndrome

the whole "if you don't support me - you are against me and are attacking me" mentality

...gotcha

 

I got you what you need.

 

 

Here are some minions to cheer for you.

 

 

 

[ZacKing]

10 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

No backpedaling.

 

 

[JasperStone]

1 minute ago, ZacKing said:

 

 

 

4 hours ago, ZacKing said:

I didn't miss anything.  I understand completely this isn't a quick fix and may require a lot of work, if at all feasible to do.  I just said I like the idea.  As for people repeatedly asking for something, maybe that's an indication that it's worth another look.  Whether or not it can be done and the people here are willing to invest their free time and effort into it is for them to decide.  I don't think others should be discouraged from discussing thoughts and ideas because it's a topic that has come up before

This tells me you missed so much.

There was no discouragement; it was just a statement of possibly why it could not be done because it had been discussed before.

 

There is nobody preventing thoughts. 

 

This is a forum ... where things are discussed. From all sides.

We are free to tell you that a topic has been discussed before and that there are possible limitations to it not being implemented.

 

 

But here you go

They will cheer for you.

Well.... they cheer for everyone.

 

[Maelwys]

Quote

backpedaling

**mutters something about the pedaling we need not the pedaling we deserve**
 

 

[ZacKing]

 

11 minutes ago, JasperStone said:

This tells me you missed so much.