Chris Evans back for Avengers: Doomsday

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2 hours ago, TTRPGWhiz said:

Chris Evans was not a bankable star before Captain America: First Avenger.
Chris Hemsworth was not a bankable star before Thor.

Tom Holland was not a bankable star before Spider-Man: Homecoming.
Chadwick Boseman was not a bankable star before Black Panther.
Chris Pratt was not a bankable star before Guardians of the Galaxy (The Lego Movie *did* come out the same year, so perhaps this one is squishier)

Pratt was already in parts of well received movies. He was part of the Jurassic franchise a mere year later so I question how much GotG factored into it. Evans literally was already tried in a major superhero IP. Hemsworth is essentially a dude just waiting on the right part. Fine, Holland and Boseman were the unknowns. You also seem to be forgetting RDJ, Scarlett Johansson, Cumberbatch Benedict, and Samuel L. Jackson. Yeah, what a bunch no names they had starting that franchise. I mean, Iron Man had Jeff 'The Dude' Bridges as its villain. Mark Ruffalo had already been nominated for an Academy Award. I'm not even going to add in the sheer list of other actors who were part of the Avengers push as it's only stockpiling a list of names where even everyday people know who I was talking about even before Iron Man came out. Seriously, look at the cast of Endgame. Marvel made billions and spent the hell out of it until they found it was not sustainable. 

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3 hours ago, Ghost said:

My point is that they hadn’t started building them until now - 5 years after Endgame, and they are still trying to shoehorn them into the Avengers universe.

 

They apparently don’t know from year to year if they can use Spidey, so that probably wouldn’t have been a smart move.

In case you forget, they legally couldn't do it sooner. No one really knows if FF or X-Men are actually going to be good. They took time and still likely miscast FF. I highly doubt Hugh Jackman is going to be Wolverine in X-Men movies as the one part of the team. Marvel is so currently desperate they are greenlighting any and everything they can with Jackman's Wolverine and Deadpool. See Wolverine vs. Hulk. And no, that's not the first mention of it as Charlie from Emergency Awesome talked about how things changed for Marvel post Deadpool Vs. Wolverine. 

 

https://comicbookmovie.com/hulk/wild-new-rumor-claims-hulk-vs-wolverine-movie-is-now-in-pre-production-at-marvel-studios-a212463

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1 hour ago, Without_Pause said:

In case you forget, they legally couldn't do it sooner. No one really knows if FF or X-Men are actually going to be good. They took time and still likely miscast FF. I highly doubt Hugh Jackman is going to be Wolverine in X-Men movies as the one part of the team. Marvel is so currently desperate they are greenlighting any and everything they can with Jackman's Wolverine and Deadpool. See Wolverine vs. Hulk. And no, that's not the first mention of it as Charlie from Emergency Awesome talked about how things changed for Marvel post Deadpool Vs. Wolverine. 

 

https://comicbookmovie.com/hulk/wild-new-rumor-claims-hulk-vs-wolverine-movie-is-now-in-pre-production-at-marvel-studios-a212463

They were just examples.

Point is, IMO they should have started building towards something NOT Avengers related.

Endgame was the perfect wrap up for the team and the story.

Now they just want to milk it, and instead have started losing money.  
So do they change course now?  No.  Instead they think bringing back the actors will fix everything.  
 

I keep going back to Alpha Flight.  It has a history.  It has marketable characters that can easily translate to toys.

Plus it has that XMen connection that they could eventually play off of.

Think about where we could be right now if they had started establishing AF.  With XMen around the corner, the big event could have been a VS or crossover movie.

 

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5 hours ago, Without_Pause said:

Pratt was already in parts of well received movies. He was part of the Jurassic franchise a mere year later so I question how much GotG factored into it. Evans literally was already tried in a major superhero IP. Hemsworth is essentially a dude just waiting on the right part. Fine, Holland and Boseman were the unknowns. You also seem to be forgetting RDJ, Scarlett Johansson, Cumberbatch Benedict, and Samuel L. Jackson. Yeah, what a bunch no names they had starting that franchise. I mean, Iron Man had Jeff 'The Dude' Bridges as its villain. Mark Ruffalo had already been nominated for an Academy Award. I'm not even going to add in the sheer list of other actors who were part of the Avengers push as it's only stockpiling a list of names where even everyday people know who I was talking about even before Iron Man came out. Seriously, look at the cast of Endgame. Marvel made billions and spent the hell out of it until they found it was not sustainable. 

Yes, RDJ carried Iron Man and much of the entire franchise. I don’t think anyone would argue that. The Evans FF movies are bad.  Johansson’s movie was terrible and didn’t come out until after her character was dead. Not exactly “carrying a franchise”. Jackson was the lead in exactly 0 movies. Cumberbatch is the closest to a “non-original” Avenger that carried his own movies.

 

The fact is, they didn’t market Phase 1 as “check out this new Chris Evans/Hemsworth/Pratt movie!” It was about the IP, not the cast.