Glacier Peak Posted January 9 Posted January 9 23 minutes ago, Super Atom said: it took me three seconds to prove you wrong (not that i have an issue with the jank needed to make the cool beret work) Those are beret decals, why would you wear them on a helmet and not a beret? 1 3 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Glacier Peak Posted January 9 Posted January 9 22 minutes ago, ZacKing said: Anyway, yes, HC has made some nice pieces. This is literally my first comment in this thread. I'm glad you finally agree. 1 2 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Super Atom Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Just now, Glacier Peak said: Those are beret decals, why would you wear them on a helmet and not a beret? because you can. because it's janky. because it's old.
Glacier Peak Posted January 9 Posted January 9 1 minute ago, Super Atom said: because you can. because it's janky. because it's old. 25 minutes ago, Super Atom said: (not that i have an issue with the jank needed to make the cool beret work) Same. 1 2 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Excraft Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Glacier Peak said: This is literally my first comment in this thread. I'm glad you finally agree. HC has made some "janky" stuff too as we can all see from just one example. But I guess it's safe to say you'll never admit to that. It's only other servers that produce "jank". 🤣 1 3 1
biostem Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 hour ago, Glacier Peak said: Those are beret decals, why would you wear them on a helmet and not a beret? Aren't the options under a particular category supposed to be interchangeable, though? I do not think it's intended that costume parts should only look good/correct when used with other parts of the same set...
Glacier Peak Posted January 10 Posted January 10 34 minutes ago, biostem said: Aren't the options under a particular category supposed to be interchangeable, though? I do not think it's intended that costume parts should only look good/correct when used with other parts of the same set... Why would a player do that though? 1 2 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
biostem Posted January 10 Posted January 10 39 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: Why would a player do that though? You're asking the wrong question; Why would the developer add costume options that don't fit with each other, when they are supposed to be generic enough to fit with a wide variety of pieces, (because asking for total universality isn't possible).
Glacier Peak Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, biostem said: You're asking the wrong question; Why would the developer add costume options that don't fit with each other, when they are supposed to be generic enough to fit with a wide variety of pieces, (because asking for total universality isn't possible). I'm not asking the wrong question, but I can tell after asking my question twice that nobody is going to say they're intentionally combining those two things and wearing that as a costume. 1 2 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
golstat2003 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 If HC does this good for them. I'd say no rush. Let them take their time and it right. 2 1
biostem Posted January 10 Posted January 10 16 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: I'm not asking the wrong question, but I can tell after asking my question twice that nobody is going to say they're intentionally combining those two things and wearing that as a costume. I am not using them BECAUSE they were not implemented in a way that works with anything else. If they were, then I probably would. They should not have been added as separate pieces because they do not fit with anything else. 2
Sakura Tenshi Posted January 10 Posted January 10 4 hours ago, GM Crumpet said: We don't discuss what other servers do or don't do. We do our thing, they do theirs. I mean, I understand this outlook, but I also always have worried that this kind of implies that anything one server does it's considered taboo to ever have something similar. This doesn't wholly seem to be the case with weapon sheathing, but I know there's plenty of other features or even just costume pieces I'd love to see like a diver's helmet. Heck, I even remember someone posting costume pieces they had made, offering for the homecoming team to just take it, and they never were picked up but I see them over on another server. I guess what I'm just saying is: please tell me this sort of thing does not mean Homecoming team's outlook is "We will never have similar features as other servers because it would appear we're just copying", even though many such features are long asked for requests dating back to even live. 3
biostem Posted January 10 Posted January 10 5 minutes ago, Sakura Tenshi said: this kind of implies that anything one server does it's considered taboo From my understanding, it has more to do with "hey you copied our stuff" and any potential ramifications that may entail, than not wanting to implement what is or is not a good idea... 1 1
Glacier Peak Posted January 10 Posted January 10 13 minutes ago, biostem said: I am not using them BECAUSE they were not implemented in a way that works with anything else. If they were, then I probably would. They should not have been added as separate pieces because they do not fit with anything else. The costume detail is called Modern Beret Detail (1-13), not Warrior Helmet Detail. A player would use them with the Head > Half Helmets > Helmets > "Modern Beret". 1 1 1 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Glacier Peak Posted January 10 Posted January 10 18 minutes ago, biostem said: I am not using them BECAUSE they were not implemented in a way that works with anything else. If they were, then I probably would. They should not have been added as separate pieces because they do not fit with anything else. Look since you're at the point where you're doing the confused emote, this is how they're designed to be worn: 1 1 1 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Sakura Tenshi Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 26 minutes ago, biostem said: From my understanding, it has more to do with "hey you copied our stuff" and any potential ramifications that may entail, than not wanting to implement what is or is not a good idea... I get not wanting to see like stuff is just being copied, but I feel like depending on how far that can go it can basically paint homecoming's development into a corner, especially with things as simple as costume pieces and powersets. Should we never get a wider color palette for the game because Rebirth does it? Should we never get Mastermind Pet customization because Thunderspy does it? Should we never get Wind Control or a Primalist archetype just because the other servers have done them? What some other servers are doing is simply adding things that have been requested since live and denying the development of such things because 'another server did it and we might be seen as a copycat' could lead to longterm stagnation. Especially if other servers are willing to accept jank and correct it later and we are left with 'nothing at all' because of a misplaced sense of propriety. Edit: also, I'm confused, what's the microphone on my last post supposed to mean? Edited January 10 by Sakura Tenshi 1 1
biostem Posted January 10 Posted January 10 1 minute ago, Sakura Tenshi said: get not wanting to see like stuff is just being copied It's not so much about "stuff is being copied", it's about some weird "out there" reason that could cause other complications, (again, only from my admittedly limited understanding of things), like HC receiving a cease & desist or some other oddity... 1
Sakura Tenshi Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, biostem said: It's not so much about "stuff is being copied", it's about some weird "out there" reason that could cause other complications, (again, only from my admittedly limited understanding of things), like HC receiving a cease & desist or some other oddity... I know you said you have a limited understanding, but are you saying other servers could hit HC with a cease and desist?
golstat2003 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Sakura Tenshi said: I know you said you have a limited understanding, but are you saying other servers could hit HC with a cease and desist? I would hope other servers would not be that pety . . . I would hope. EDIT: I'm okay with HC doing it "their way", even if it takes a little time to do it. Just because another server does something does not mean HC should go and do it immedieatly. (Not that you in particualr are saying that). Edited January 10 by golstat2003 2
biostem Posted January 10 Posted January 10 24 minutes ago, Sakura Tenshi said: I know you said you have a limited understanding, but are you saying other servers could hit HC with a cease and desist? It need not be that severe, but as the saying goes "you can sue a ham sandwich" or something to that extent.
Super Atom Posted January 10 Posted January 10 55 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: Look since you're at the point where you're doing the confused emote, this is how they're designed to be worn: People keep being confused at you because you're dying on a weird hill. Quite obviously those details are meant to be worn with a single item. That's literally the whole point. You put down outside-developers by accusing them of making "janky" things. People were trying to explain to you, jank is just the nature of modding a 20 year old game, if you'd like to say Homecoming tries not to make it too janky, that'd be different. I showed you an example of a "janky" way to implement a costume item. There is absolutely nothing wrong with what Homecoming did for this costume part that looks real cool. Hence their reply below Quote There are quite a lot of costume additions and changes on other servers that aren't "jank", so attempting to paint every costume addition on other servers that way is disingenuous. Let's be honest and admit that not everything done here is perfect either. Hope that helps. 2 1
Super Atom Posted January 10 Posted January 10 (edited) 16 minutes ago, golstat2003 said: I would hope other servers would not be that pety . . . I would hope. A color Palette? no. Stealing all of their ideas for any new power sets or otherwise? probably, but even then they couldn't really do anything about it. The biggest MMO in the world is a just 3 dittos in a over coat. DragonFlight was a well received expansion for WoW and it's primary feature is just lifted right out of Guild Wars 2. now if Homecoming was to literally steal their code work or model works, probably. but they wouldn't do that. It's also probably why they avoid wanting to copy any features, to avoid accusations of code theft. Edited January 10 by Super Atom 1 1
Glacier Peak Posted January 10 Posted January 10 Just now, Super Atom said: You put down outside-developers by accusing them of making "janky" things. Thank you for the reply. I don't think others are posting responses in good faith. My opinions are my own and I am not forcing anyone to agree with me. I can say costume jank is my least favorite part about how other servers have made things possible. Others are welcome to disagree and I encourage that kind of good faith discussion. 2 2 I lead weekly Indom Badge Runs / A newer giant monster guide by Glacier Peak / A tour of Pocket D easter eggs! / Arena All-Star Accolade Guide! Best Post Ever....
Excraft Posted January 10 Posted January 10 40 minutes ago, Glacier Peak said: I don't think others are posting responses in good faith. If you are suggesting that others pointing out that your statements are demonstrably wrong, then yes I would agree that others are not replying in good faith. You're very quick to be critical of the work other servers have done and dismissing any of the excellent features they've added. You're very quick to praise anything and everything HC has done, even when some of the items implemented here clearly fall into what you've berated other servers for as "jank". Not everything any server has done is perfect, and that includes HC. I mean seriously, you're going to argue that two pieces aren't meant to be used together? Ok, so what? Why were they allowed to be used outside of their intended manner then? Isn't that a quality issue here? Thing is, it's not even a big deal. There are tons of costume pieces that cause clipping and other issues. @Super Atom is right, you've picked a weird hill to die on. Seems to me like you're not able or just plain unwilling to admit that you're wrong. You're also not able to say that not everything other servers have done is bad either because that would mean you'd lose your spot on the cheerleader squad here or something. It's perfectly fine to say that some of the stuff other servers have done with costume pieces isn't the best. Trying to paint everything they've done as bad is disingenuous and you know it. There are a lot of great costume additions on other servers and some of the work they've done with the editor puts HC to shame. That's not to say what HC has done here is terrible. They've done a lot of things better than other servers have. Other servers have done things much better than HC. It's not wrong to admit that. 1 2 1 2
golstat2003 Posted January 10 Posted January 10 2 hours ago, Super Atom said: A color Palette? no. Stealing all of their ideas for any new power sets or otherwise? probably, but even then they couldn't really do anything about it. The biggest MMO in the world is a just 3 dittos in a over coat. DragonFlight was a well received expansion for WoW and it's primary feature is just lifted right out of Guild Wars 2. now if Homecoming was to literally steal their code work or model works, probably. but they wouldn't do that. It's also probably why they avoid wanting to copy any features, to avoid accusations of code theft. True. I think the bolded is the point of why they say "they will do there own thing" when folks talk about new features on other servers.
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