Phantasm Sucks

[espectro]

phantasm is a big stupid bald man that summons another big stupid bald man. Then they wave theire arms at fos like theyre saltin their driveway.

i probably wanna die too if thats my life.

[Fusaokek]

22 hours ago, Wavicle said:

 

Phantasms issue is going into melee and dying. I assure you the Imps have the exact same issue.

They are melee pets which by definition they are supposed to run into the crowd. Phantasm is a blaster and there for a glass cannon. It should not be running into the mob the same as fire imps. And now I do not have the same problems keeping fire imps alive or for that matter the shadow wolf in the dark set as I do phantasm.

[Wavicle]

2 hours ago, Fusaokek said:

They are melee pets which by definition they are supposed to run into the crowd. Phantasm is a blaster and there for a glass cannon. It should not be running into the mob the same as fire imps. And now I do not have the same problems keeping fire imps alive or for that matter the shadow wolf in the dark set as I do phantasm.

 

The Phantasm is actually TOUGHER than the Imps against Lethal and Energy, and the same against other things besides Negative Energy and Fire. So this logic really does not hold.

Edited Wednesday at 06:41 AM by Wavicle

[Wavicle]

Just to circle back a little, "gatekeeping" means excluding someone. No one is doing that in any way shape or form. Informing someone that the devs have already said they aren't taking away KB from Phantasm is not gatekeeping. It just isn't.

[golstat2003]

9 hours ago, Wavicle said:

Just to circle back a little, "gatekeeping" means excluding someone. No one is doing that in any way shape or form. Informing someone that the devs have already said they aren't taking away KB from Phantasm is not gatekeeping. It just isn't.

 

Agreed. This is the most silly definition of gatekeeping I've ever heard.

 

Tilting at windmills is a favorite past time in this part of the forums.

 

The knockback issue really isn't even up for discussion until a dev says they view the so called "slot tax" of changing KB to KD with an enhancement as an actual tax. Everything from various posts to comments in beta seems to lean in the opposite: that this is what's expected of players if they don't like the KB.

 

I've never once in the literal decades that this has been discussed seen dev say "yeah we'll do universal or in set changes to move something from KB to KD", and especially not on sets as strong as something like illusion control.

 

But maybe I'm wrong and a dev will choose to chime in this time. (Not holding my breath lol)

[battlewraith]

On 2/26/2025 at 1:41 AM, Wavicle said:

Just to circle back a little, "gatekeeping" means excluding someone. No one is doing that in any way shape or form. Informing someone that the devs have already said they aren't taking away KB from Phantasm is not gatekeeping. It just isn't.

Actually it doesn't mean that. It's not about excluding people, it has more to do with controlling allocations of resources, opportunities, what is seen as worthy (as in cultural gatekeeping, etc.)

 

You say the devs have ruled on knockback. I believe you. What you don't understand is that I don't care. Anymore than any other business, government agency, etc. that solicits feedback but doesn't want to deliver on requests. I'm not expecting them to cater the game to what I want, but if there's an opportunity for me (and people like me) to express what I want, I'll take it.  The bizarre thing to me is that you have a cadre of players who take it upon themselves to try to bat away or discourage people from making these suggestions--and they complain about people beating a dead horse in threads that they could easily just ignore, as if they are doing a public service or something. They're not. Not everyone is the same, different people have different motivations for how they waste their time, but there have certainly been posters shooting down requests out of self interest--they want the devs to focus on the things that they want. So gatekeeping may not be a perfect fit, but it seems a reasonable one. If we're circling back a little. 

[arcane]

2 hours ago, battlewraith said:

Actually it doesn't mean that. It's not about excluding people, it has more to do with controlling allocations of resources, opportunities, what is seen as worthy (as in cultural gatekeeping, etc.)

 

You say the devs have ruled on knockback. I believe you. What you don't understand is that I don't care. Anymore than any other business, government agency, etc. that solicits feedback but doesn't want to deliver on requests. I'm not expecting them to cater the game to what I want, but if there's an opportunity for me (and people like me) to express what I want, I'll take it.  The bizarre thing to me is that you have a cadre of players who take it upon themselves to try to bat away or discourage people from making these suggestions--and they complain about people beating a dead horse in threads that they could easily just ignore, as if they are doing a public service or something. They're not. Not everyone is the same, different people have different motivations for how they waste their time, but there have certainly been posters shooting down requests out of self interest--they want the devs to focus on the things that they want. So gatekeeping may not be a perfect fit, but it seems a reasonable one. If we're circling back a little. 

Posters aren’t shooting down requests. Only developers can do that. 

[battlewraith]

26 minutes ago, arcane said:

Posters aren’t shooting down requests. Only developers can do that. 

Anyone can shoot down a request. It's an expression. 

[arcane]

24 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

Anyone can shoot down a request. It's an expression. 

It appears that your position boils down to “everyone who agrees with me is encouraged to speak and everyone who doesn’t needs to shut up”. I don’t really see any distinction between anything you’ve said and that position. If we’re wrong please enlighten us.

 

On the other note, I agree that gatekeeping doesn’t really exist absent some form of power. If you think the developers are listening to me, you would be out of your mind.

Edited Thursday at 06:38 PM by arcane

[battlewraith]

30 minutes ago, arcane said:

It appears that your position boils down to “everyone who agrees with me is encouraged to speak and everyone who doesn’t needs to shut up”. I don’t really see any distinction between anything you’ve said and that position. If we’re wrong please enlighten us.

 

On the other note, I agree that gatekeeping doesn’t really exist absent some form of power. If you think the developers are listening to me, you would be out of your mind.

Lol again, who is "us"? Who is the we I'm supposed to enlighten? 

 

I don't drop in on people's suggestions if I disagree them and argue against the proposal. It isn't necessary. Even good ideas will drop off the page in due time. Occasionally I'll see something that I agree with and post to support it. If the idea is unpopular with the "us" that you and other people keep mentioning, then there will be the backlash that happens whenever this group feels the need to weigh in with their consensus. This is a routine part of this subsection--the same group of people that you always see. In comparison, some of the people making suggestions will not be seen here again. Wonder why.

 

Gatekeeping doesn't require any power, just a group of people committed to doing it.

 

[Aracknight]

Perhaps gatekeeping is the wrong term.  I propose a new term, one we can use to keep from arguing the definition of the word and using that to invalidate the feelings of posters in the Suggestions and Feedback forum.

 

The term I am suggesting will be Billying.  Not to be confused with Bullying.

 

Billying is best observed in the Adam Sandler movie Billy Madison.

 

Here is an example of Billying:

 

Random Poster:  Hey you guys I love City of Heroes and I have this idea!

 

S&F forumites: Poster, what you've just suggested is one of the most insanely idiotic things we have ever read.  At no point in your rambling incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.  Everyone in this forum is now dumber for having read it.  We reject your idea out of hand, and my god have mercy on your soul.

 

Random Poster: Fuck, you could have just said no or nothing at all.  City of Heroes fucking sucks.

 

Edited Thursday at 08:09 PM by Aracknight

[arcane]

Out of curiosity, is telling people what opinions they should and shouldn’t express on this subforum… a variant of gatekeeping?

[Aracknight]

1 minute ago, arcane said:

Out of curiosity, is telling people what opinions they should and shouldn’t express on this subforum… a variant of gatekeeping?

 

I'm pretty sure that's whataboutism.

[Rudra]

3 minutes ago, arcane said:

Out of curiosity, is telling people what opinions they should and shouldn’t express on this subforum… a variant of gatekeeping?

You are misunderstanding. It is only gatekeeping if someone else does it.

[arcane]

Just now, Rudra said:

You are misunderstanding. It is only gatekeeping if someone else does it.

Oh right. I understand completely.

[battlewraith]

4 minutes ago, Aracknight said:

 

I'm pretty sure that's whataboutism.

Yup. You have people that weigh in constantly and predictably. And obviously. But if they get called out for it, they throw up their hands "woah I'm not allowed to have an opinion here!"

Lol it's too funny.

[Aracknight]

2 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

Yup. You have people that weigh in constantly and predictably. And obviously. But if they get called out for it, they throw up their hands "woah I'm not allowed to have an opinion here!"

Lol it's too funny.

 

Lol.  "I thought all opinions mattered"

[Wavicle]

I absolutely agree that ALL pet ai in the game could use improvements, Illusion included.

I am firmly against ANY improvements exclusive to Illusion because it's already borderline op.

[arcane]

43 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

Yup. You have people that weigh in constantly and predictably. And obviously. But if they get called out for it, they throw up their hands "woah I'm not allowed to have an opinion here!"

Lol it's too funny.

Why would a person be “called out” for “weighing in” in the first place?

 

You sure aren’t saying a damn thing that differentiates your opinion from “people should not be allowed to say things I don’t like”…

Edited Thursday at 08:58 PM by arcane

[battlewraith]

Just now, arcane said:

Why would a person be “called out” for “weighing in” in the first place?

You're asking a lot of questions without answering anything. Who is the "us" you mentioned earlier. You said please enlighten "us". Who is that? That would be interesting to know. 

 

As for your question... I think you're just bickering. If you're just looking to perpetuate the exchange for no good reason, I think you should stop.

[arcane]

51 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

I think you're just bickering.

I’m not the one having a meltdown about people expressing dissenting opinions but okay. Have a good one mister sir.

[battlewraith]

31 minutes ago, arcane said:

I’m not the one having a meltdown about people expressing dissenting opinions but okay. Have a good one mister sir.

Sayonara!

[golstat2003]

There is absolutely nothing wrong with expressing dissenting opinions or saying why you think a suggestion is a bad idea. The title of this part if the forums is Suggestions and Feedback.

Edited Friday at 12:08 PM by golstat2003

[battlewraith]

59 minutes ago, golstat2003 said:

There is absolutely nothing wrong with expressing dissenting opinions or saying why you think a suggestion is a bad idea. The title of this part if the forums is Suggestions and Feedback.

I know right? Which is why it's so weird when people complain about threads that are beating a dead horse, or asking for something that the devs don't seem to want to do. It's like some people only want to hear their dissenting opinion. Crazy Town!

 

Structurally there's always been a problem with the forums in general and this subforum in particular. People who actively participate on the forums has always been a small percentage of the population. Of this population of forum goers, there is a smaller subset that routinely weigh in on suggestions and feedback. I would love to see a graph of say the top six posters here--who they are and how much are they posting comments in comparison to the people that are starting threads. 

[Ghost]

52 minutes ago, battlewraith said:

 Of this population of forum goers, there is a smaller subset that routinely weigh in on suggestions and feedback. I would love to see a graph of say the top six posters here--who they are and how much are they posting comments in comparison to the people that are starting threads. 

Why does it matter?

 

Everyone has an opinion.  Some people like to express it, while others prefer to keep it to themselves.

Neither is wright or wrong.